So I'm watching Bill Maher. His 'New Rules' are usually a hoot. Any way, one of his new rules was going off on the physical appearence of some of the gay people lining up to get married in SF.
Basicly the gruff look of some of the people there to get married. He says (Bill Maher) that you're suppost to get married first and then let your self go.
Now with that in mind, I'd like to take it to the next step. Now that we have seen the 'rank and file' gay's getting married in SF, can we PLEASE ditch the metrosexual look and especially the 'Queer Eye Guys'?
With the recorded truth of gays looking just like you and me, we now know the metrosexual look is shit and a lie. Lets flush that turd.
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We only know this NOW? The metrosexual look/attitude is nothing but a stereotype. Some people think that the Queer Eye guys are doing a lot to bring gays into the mainstream, but I think they're just perpetuating the way people have been thinking about homosexuals. TV needs more gay characters like Will from Will and Grace. He's gay, but he's not a caricature. He dates men, but he doesn't speak with a lisp or walk around all the time with his wrist hanging limp. Yes, I know the actor is really straight, but there's no reason why a real gay man must act differently.
Jim Raynor wrote:We only know this NOW? The metrosexual look/attitude is nothing but a stereotype. Some people think that the Queer Eye guys are doing a lot to bring gays into the mainstream, but I think they're just perpetuating the way people have been thinking about homosexuals. TV needs more gay characters like Will from Will and Grace. He's gay, but he's not a caricature. He dates men, but he doesn't speak with a lisp or walk around all the time with his wrist hanging limp. Yes, I know the actor is really straight, but there's no reason why a real gay man must act differently.
I have to agree to an extent. I have seen some of that show and they do bring up some valid points about being an adult and acting it (Though they get to a point and pass it often with trying to force their own personal taste and NY look on people). But I have winced in watching them sometimes. I can't figure out, are they all like this? Or are they hamming things up for the camera (or gaying it up)? I don't like to say it, but they seem sometimes to try to live up to the stereotypes. Sometimes it is in jest, but many times it is like they are on a bad 80's sitcom.
The funny thing to me about this Metrosexual thing is that I only heard about for the first time a few months ago, or so. The way people talk about it, it seems to have been around for several years now. I get annoyed when East and West coast fads and catch phrases are treated like universal truths of this country. Same with Sex in the City. I have never seen this show and don't care to. So when I turn on a national news show and they gab about, or like this week talk about its end like I or most the country actually care I can only .
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Jim Raynor wrote:We only know this NOW? The metrosexual look/attitude is nothing but a stereotype. Some people think that the Queer Eye guys are doing a lot to bring gays into the mainstream, but I think they're just perpetuating the way people have been thinking about homosexuals. TV needs more gay characters like Will from Will and Grace. He's gay, but he's not a caricature. He dates men, but he doesn't speak with a lisp or walk around all the time with his wrist hanging limp. Yes, I know the actor is really straight, but there's no reason why a real gay man must act differently.
It has been theorized that, quite bluntly, the whole "metrosexual" appearence makes straight men more comfortable with gay men, because it makes them obviously different from themselves. I have no idea what that says about straight men who ape the appearence, but obviously it isn't a major trend in mainstream America (for all that it is hyped). Really until homosexuals are accepted as a perfectly normal part of society, there is still distance to be traveled, and time.
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Galvatron wrote:Geez, if you think the metrosexual look is bad you must be too young to remember the 80s: the decade of feathered hair and pastels...
I happen to be sufficiently old enough to remember the 80s, thank you--and I liked them! Muah.
you mean you liked the fact that women would wear stuff with these shoulder pads which made the shoulders look really wide, which again made the women look like arnold schwarzenegger?
Didn't know what the taff a metrosexual was until I read this thread (and yes, I've cracked out my old copy of Thief: The Dark Project, and am playing again, you taffers. I'm not taffing you. Taffity taff.)
why must everything be labeled. Metrosexual? So if you have good personal hygine habits and a hint of fashon sense you are a straight gay guy? I wear faded boot cut jeans with italian leather shoes.... so butter my buns and call me queer.
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To be honest, "Queer Eye" makes me sick. I cant fathom how any self respecting homosexual can get on screen and act like that, feeding in to all the "flaming" stereotypes that we have to put up with. The closest come to ding that is wearing a hawiian shrt that features fire.
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I thought the whole metrosexual thing was straight guys trying to be more feminine and get in touch with their sensitive side, with over-grooming and hair products and man blouses and stuff. I don't know what is up with the fad, I think it's just one more way guys are trying to get laid, by worming their way in with the hard feminists who think that forcing guys into the "nancy boy" role is sexy.
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I know a bunch of gays, and quite a few of them purposely "act" and "look" gay. This infuriates the gays I know who don't do it, they call them attention seekers.
To quote my good friend "Gay Graham"; "I love gays, but I fucking hate queers."
The Duchess of Zeon wrote: To expand: Real fashion in the eighties was in the rock scene.
Are we talking glam like AD/DC or Queen or the full on fashion of KISS?
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Galvatron wrote:Geez, if you think the metrosexual look is bad you must be too young to remember the 80s: the decade of feathered hair and pastels...
I happen to be sufficiently old enough to remember the 80s, thank you--and I liked them! Muah.
you mean you liked the fact that women would wear stuff with these shoulder pads which made the shoulders look really wide, which again made the women look like arnold schwarzenegger?
Very few women actually dressed that way. The nice thing about the 80s was big hair on women; I actually liked that. I really don't like how every single girl nowadays looks like a Britney Spears clone.
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As for "metrosexuals", they are not the same thing as homosexuals anyway. The prototypical metrosexual is Ben Affleck, and he's straight (the guy was banging Jennifer Lopez!). Metrosexuals are just prettyboys.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
To expand: Real fashion in the eighties was in the rock scene.
Like everyone wearing jackets with the sleaves rolled up.
Lots of makeup on guys as well.
While I'm more than sufficiently old enough to have roled up my sleeves on my jacket, I never saw makeup on guys. Well, any guy that wasn't the proto-goth we called 'new wave'.
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But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
Alyrium Denryle wrote:To be honest, "Queer Eye" makes me sick. I cant fathom how any self respecting homosexual can get on screen and act like that, feeding in to all the "flaming" stereotypes that we have to put up with. The closest come to ding that is wearing a hawiian shrt that features fire.
Yes. We have a German variant of Queer Eye, and those guys are so bloody flaming, it makes me throw up. They are gay, ok, but can't they be gay and actually live on the same plane of existance as other people?
I am gay, but I don't dress like some colorly-challenged fucktard's LSD trip...
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Galvatron wrote:Geez, if you think the metrosexual look is bad you must be too young to remember the 80s: the decade of feathered hair and pastels...
To expand: Real fashion in the eighties was in the rock scene.
Isn't fashion and the eighties a contradiction in terms?
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Darth Wong wrote:
Very few women actually dressed that way. The nice thing about the 80s was big hair on women; I actually liked that. I really don't like how every single girl nowadays looks like a Britney Spears clone.
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While I'm more than sufficiently old enough to have roled up my sleeves on my jacket, I never saw makeup on guys. Well, any guy that wasn't the proto-goth we called 'new wave'. 
