Iran demands entry to nuclear club

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-03-09 01:53pm

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publi ... 5550.shtml

Iran wants to join the nuclear club. Should the club members greet Iran with open arms, or sanctions? Please gives reasons for your opinion.

Oddysseus · Post by **Oddysseus** » 2004-03-09 03:16pm

On the one hand. I think each nation should have the right to grow and advance to their own needs. Why should the U.S. be the only one with this power? It is arrogant presuption to just say we are the only ones worthy or noble enough.

But my problem is the fact the world isn't perfect. The more countries that have and use this tech, the more likkely the tech bleeds to people willing to use it. No country in their right mind would use these weapons. We al know the affect and repurcussions. But a small nation, a warlord, an unstable leader, they may not have the scope to think of the affects or may not care. Or they can be overthrown by radical elements with obtuse agendas. Nuclear power is powerful, and dangerous. I am not thrilled that Pakistan and India have it, they are rabid in their animosity and it spills over into religious rancor. What happens if extremist topple the general in Pakistan? Will they strike? Will India feel the need to act first, at the possibility? It's damn dangerous. Add to this Iran, with Israel eyeing them, it is not comforting. Would it spread from there? Bleed out like it did in Pakistan? Could we stop it? Do we have the deterance and intel to succeed?

Cornelius · Post by **Cornelius** » 2004-03-09 03:28pm

Some nations aren't stable enough to have nuclear weapons. They are far safer in the hands of reliable 1st world nations than in the hands of 3rd world ones.

Cornelius · Post by **Cornelius** » 2004-03-09 03:28pm

Example A. Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-03-09 03:31pm

Cornelius wrote:Example A. Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war

Heh, he'd be lucky it it ended up being 100 hours.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-03-09 03:44pm

Joe wrote:
Cornelius wrote:Example A. Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war
Heh, he'd be lucky it it ended up being 100 hours.

i would say 100 seconds

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-03-09 05:33pm

The IAEA exists in order to promote the peaceful use of nuclear energy and attempt to prevent widespread nuclear proliferation amongst unreliable nations.

Totalitarian theocracies steadily careening down the road to revolution do not qualify as "reliable". Further, the difference between the USA and Iran is that the USA is not a totalitarian theocracy. Yes, China is a member of the board, but China is stable enough that I don't worry about its nukes falling into terrorist hands.

Iran, on the other hand, is simply not acceptable. Perhaps if the reformers succeed and it undergoes the transformation into a democratic (mostly) secular state, but otherwise, not.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-03-09 06:01pm

Is it really called "The nuclear club"? That name SUCKS!

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2004-03-09 06:17pm

Iran simply isn't stable enough to be entrusted with nukes.

And yes, it really is called the nuclear club, sucky though the name is.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-03-09 06:23pm

Funny, I thought it was called the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-03-09 06:25pm

So long as they don't intend on irradiating any nations, I don't see why not.

Son of the Suns · Post by **Son of the Suns** » 2004-03-09 06:25pm

I say allow them and anyone else entry that wants it ( its not like we can stop them if they have the nukes) with the understanding that if they ever use them we kill every living thing within their boarders regardless of whether its a military target or not, just like during the Cold war.

Sidious · Post by **Sidious** » 2004-03-09 06:35pm

I say allow them and anyone else entry that wants it ( its not like we can stop them if they have the nukes)

*points to Iraq*

If they had actually had nukes that is....

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-03-09 06:54pm

Son of the Suns wrote:I say allow them and anyone else entry that wants it ( its not like we can stop them if they have the nukes) with the understanding that if they ever use them we kill every living thing within their boarders regardless of whether its a military target or not, just like during the Cold war.

That actually sounds fair.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-03-09 06:58pm

Of course, it is possible to indirectly use nuclear weapons to attack general targets, i.e. giving them to terrorists or other third parties. One of the club's goals is to prevent proliferation. I don't think totalitarian Islamofascist theocracies can be trusted to respect that.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-03-09 08:40pm

Iran can't be trusted with nuclear arms; I don't think their government would actually order them deployed, but I'm not about to trust the stability of that government. So I say forget sanctions or any negotiation, we ought to just blow up there reactors before there fueled.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-03-09 08:48pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:Iran can't be trusted with nuclear arms; I don't think their government would actually order them deployed, but I'm not about to trust the stability of that government. So I say forget sanctions or any negotiation, we ought to just blow up there reactors before there fueled.

Israel is likely ahead of us in that respect.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-03-09 08:54pm

No. Aren't the reasons obvious?

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2004-03-09 09:04pm

Howedar wrote:
Son of the Suns wrote:I say allow them and anyone else entry that wants it ( its not like we can stop them if they have the nukes) with the understanding that if they ever use them we kill every living thing within their boarders regardless of whether its a military target or not, just like during the Cold war.
That actually sounds fair.

I'll second that as well

And if they try to 'get around' that provision by giving the nukes to Osama No-Dick-Tween-His-Legs, they get stomped anyway.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-03-09 09:19pm

I concur with Mr. Sn0m4n. But not even Iran is that stupid.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-03-09 09:19pm

Son of the Suns wrote:I say allow them and anyone else entry that wants it ( its not like we can stop them if they have the nukes) with the understanding that if they ever use them we kill every living thing within their boarders regardless of whether its a military target or not, just like during the Cold war.

The problem with that is it requires Iranian leadership and the parts of the military in control of the bombs, to be rational enough to care about the consequences of there actions. In a region and country swarming with crazed suicidal fundamentalists that is not a bet most people would want to take.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-03-09 09:19pm

Let them in. It's not going to make any difference. Requesting entry is an admission of active attempts to build a device. Letting them into the IAEA club is not going to change anything. Give them the lowdown on nuclear initiation and let them in. If anything, it allows us to monitor their activities with their consent. They've done alot by admitting to having this program and have trusted us to not invade them like we did Iraq, they're clearly seeking our trust in them. We wouldn't be aiding them, I don't think.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-03-09 09:25pm

Every country and their cat should have nukes. I love deterrence, and I see no reason why an 'unstable' Iran would suddenly lose it's mind and ensure it's own destruction by just nuking someone on a whim.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-03-09 09:27pm

Vympel wrote:Every country and their cat should have nukes. I love deterrence, and I see no reason why an 'unstable' Iran would suddenly lose it's mind and ensure it's own destruction by just nuking someone on a whim.

As Skimmer pointed out, it's the in-duh-viduals that we worry about. Look at how Pakistan could lose nukes to rogue cells and then imagine it with Iran.

But then that'd be a good excuse to level that place or at least change the government.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-03-09 09:28pm

Frankly, I see no reason to reward the Iranian government.

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