Mass killing in Fresno...

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2004-03-13 04:20pm

linky

WTF?!

And the guy fathered those kids with those women?!

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2004-03-13 04:20pm

Can someone fix that link please?

*Smash*

The Albino Raven · Post by **The Albino Raven** » 2004-03-13 08:58pm

Heard about that on the news, of course, it got less time than did sports, but anyway, it goes to show how messed up shit is. If they kill the guy though, it really won't prove much. Let his ass rot in jail, its cheaper that way.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-03-13 09:06pm

A religious nut. Shocking.

Too bad California doesn't have the death penalty.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2004-03-13 11:24pm

Joe wrote:A religious nut. Shocking.

Too bad California doesn't have the death penalty.

We don't? I thought we did? Shows how much I pay attention.

Anyway this guy is a serious sicko. They said today on the radio that veteran officers were breaking down because the scene was so traumatic.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-03-14 01:13am

Why is it my hometown is only ever in the news when crap like this happens?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-03-14 02:19am

We don't? I thought we did? Shows how much I pay attention.

And alas, you do. Shame on me for not doing my homework.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2004-03-14 04:04am

Wow, this is odd; well a new spin on mass home murders. Really sad story. And Fremen a .22 to the head is cheaper and he would suffer.

The Albino Raven · Post by **The Albino Raven** » 2004-03-14 03:29pm

Captain Lennox wrote:Wow, this is odd; well a new spin on mass home murders. Really sad story. And Fremen a .22 to the head is cheaper and he would suffer.

The last time we executed someone with a .22 to the head was..? Its obvious the guy really doesn't care about the sanctity of human life, so we don't need to look at his interests in this, but lets look at the prospective benefits of not shooting him in the head. If he is killed, it shows the public that killing to stop killing is right. Not only is this hypocritical, it doesn't work, or at least, I have yet to see violent crime rates shoot down in places with the death penalty.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-03-14 05:04pm

Dyer said it appears that Wesson is the father and grandfather of two of the youngest victims. He believes Wesson had children with two of his daughters

Sick fuckin' bastard, and these people who supposedly knew him didn't wonder how this guy's daughters were getting pregnant?

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-03-14 05:18pm

I just want to say that from my sources in Fresno, the whole "ritual killing" angle is getting really overplayed by the media, and that this was probably just a crazy guy and not a religious nut.

Post by **AdmiralKanos** » 2004-03-14 05:22pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:I just want to say that from my sources in Fresno, the whole "ritual killing" angle is getting really overplayed by the media, and that this was probably just a crazy guy and not a religious nut.

Yeah, sure. Sorry to burst your bubble, but people who kill their own children are almost always religious nuts. Only a very powerful ideology can overcome the natural instinct to protect your own children (or in most cases, pervert it; the average religious nut who kills his or her own children usually does it because he or she believes the children are better off in the afterlife).

PS. And it should be pointed out that the line between hallucination (seeing things that nobody else can see or measure in any way) and religious belief (believing in things that nobody at all can see or measure in any way) is rather thin.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-03-15 02:31am

Fremen_Muhadib wrote:
Captain Lennox wrote:Wow, this is odd; well a new spin on mass home murders. Really sad story. And Fremen a .22 to the head is cheaper and he would suffer.
The last time we executed someone with a .22 to the head was..? Its obvious the guy really doesn't care about the sanctity of human life, so we don't need to look at his interests in this, but lets look at the prospective benefits of not shooting him in the head. If he is killed, it shows the public that killing to stop killing is right. Not only is this hypocritical, it doesn't work, or at least, I have yet to see violent crime rates shoot down in places with the death penalty.

Death Penalty execution is way too slow though. For crimes like these it should be swift...I mean does this man even deserve a trial? Seriously...opinions?

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-03-15 04:23pm

My opinion as to what to do with him involves dozens of horny sharks....

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-03-15 04:44pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote: Death Penalty execution is way too slow though. For crimes like these it should be swift...I mean does this man even deserve a trial? Seriously...opinions?

well, if he had been shot in the line of apprehending him, that would be one thing. but once he's been taken hold of by the police, and is in custody, then he deserves a trial, however trivial, regardless of the actual crime. otherwise our justice system would be rather pointless to have.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-03-15 05:37pm

Darth_Zod wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote: Death Penalty execution is way too slow though. For crimes like these it should be swift...I mean does this man even deserve a trial? Seriously...opinions?
well, if he had been shot in the line of apprehending him, that would be one thing. but once he's been taken hold of by the police, and is in custody, then he deserves a trial, however trivial, regardless of the actual crime. otherwise our justice system would be rather pointless to have.

Indeed, however, that trial should be about an hour long when such evidence exists.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-03-15 05:40pm

Joe wrote:
We don't? I thought we did? Shows how much I pay attention.
And alas, you do. Shame on me for not doing my homework.

Having Ah-nuld be the governor of a state without the death penalty would be more perverse than ... Ah-nuld being the governor of a state, I guess.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-03-15 06:22pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Fremen_Muhadib wrote:
Captain Lennox wrote:Wow, this is odd; well a new spin on mass home murders. Really sad story. And Fremen a .22 to the head is cheaper and he would suffer.
The last time we executed someone with a .22 to the head was..? Its obvious the guy really doesn't care about the sanctity of human life, so we don't need to look at his interests in this, but lets look at the prospective benefits of not shooting him in the head. If he is killed, it shows the public that killing to stop killing is right. Not only is this hypocritical, it doesn't work, or at least, I have yet to see violent crime rates shoot down in places with the death penalty.
Death Penalty execution is way too slow though. For crimes like these it should be swift...I mean does this man even deserve a trial? Seriously...opinions?

Everyone deserves a trial, no matter how obviously guilty. It's his right as a citizen, unless he choses to plead guilty and waive that right--I doubt he would, though, unless prosecutors are willing to exchange life without parole for a plea. At any rate, it will be a quick trial, as these things go, and the jury will take about ten minutes to deliberate.

The Albino Raven · Post by **The Albino Raven** » 2004-03-15 07:30pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:Death Penalty execution is way too slow though. For crimes like these it should be swift...I mean does this man even deserve a trial? Seriously...opinions?

Absolutely. Furthermore, he should not be executed. If a government expects its it citizens not to kill eachother, then the government shouldn't kill the citizens.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-03-15 07:42pm

Fremen_Muhadib wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:Death Penalty execution is way too slow though. For crimes like these it should be swift...I mean does this man even deserve a trial? Seriously...opinions?
Absolutely. Furthermore, he should not be executed. If a government expects its it citizens not to kill eachother, then the government shouldn't kill the citizens.

Interesting, what should be done with them instead?

The Albino Raven · Post by **The Albino Raven** » 2004-03-15 07:47pm

Mental hospitals if they aren't sane, prisons if they are. Either way, they are going to be suffering. Both are shitholes of existence, if you aren't rich of course.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-03-16 01:27am

Fremen_Muhadib wrote:Mental hospitals if they aren't sane, prisons if they are. Either way, they are going to be suffering. Both are shitholes of existence, if you aren't rich of course.

Why should we, the tax, payer support criminals like that?

The Albino Raven · Post by **The Albino Raven** » 2004-03-16 01:30am

why should we, the taxpayer, become moral hypocrites by killing a man to prove that his killings were wrong?

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-03-16 01:43am

Fremen_Muhadib wrote:why should we, the taxpayer, become moral hypocrites by killing a man to prove that his killings were wrong?

Execution isn't used to prove. It is used to remove those who no longer serve any use for society.