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Putin Wins Election (Big surprise there)

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(03-14) 15:26 PST MOSCOW (AP) --

President Vladimir Putin claimed victory early Monday after easily winning a second term with more than 69 percent of the vote, confirming widespread expectations of a commanding victory.

Assured in advance of victory, Putin was looking for a powerful turnout to strengthen his grip over Russia -- already tightened by his appointment of a new Cabinet just before the vote and by December parliamentary elections that gave the main pro-Kremlin party full control over lawmaking.

According to preliminary data, 64.27 percent of voters nationwide had cast ballots, electoral officials said.

With 49.7 percent of precincts accounted for, Putin had 69.3 percent of the vote, the Central Election Commission said. The partial results were backed up by an exit poll by the non-governmental Public Opinion Foundation, which surveyed 120,000 voters at 1,200 polling stations and concluded Putin had won 69 percent.

"I promise you that for the next four years, I will work in the same mode," Putin said.

Putin first thanked voters for turning out, then thanked those who supported him. He promised to ensure further economic growth, strengthen civil institutions and media freedom. "All the democratic achievements will be guaranteed," he said.

Putin, who reined in Russia's independent media following his first election in 2000, dominated the nationwide television networks before the vote. His five challengers received less coverage, adding to the widespread impression that the vote was a one-horse race.

"I voted for Putin because he is going to win anyway, and what is the point in voting for someone else?" said financial inspector Yelena Chebakova, 31, one of a handful of early voters at a Moscow polling station.

Secretary of State Colin Powell said he was concerned with a lack of openness in Russia's presidential election and "a level of authoritarianism creeping back" into Russian society. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice also expressed concern.

But Powell said he did not think Russia was reverting to the hard-line ways of the former Soviet Union.

"Russians have to understand that to have full democracy of the kind that the international community will recognize, you've got to let candidates have all access to the media that the president has," Powell said on "Fox News Sunday."

Dmitry Kozak, the head of Putin's campaign headquarters, rejected the criticism, saying that Russia's election campaign was "in strict conformity with the election law."

"Russian voters already have significant experience in democratic elections and don't need suggestions from anyone, even less so from representatives of a country that has clear flaws in its election procedures," Kozak said in a statement released Sunday night by the Kremlin press service.

A frenzy of television appeals by Putin, his rivals and even top religious leaders urging people to vote reflected Kremlin concerns that the lack of a challenger with a chance of unseating the president might keep Russians away from the ballot box.

After voting in Moscow on Sunday morning alongside his wife, Lyudmila, Putin made a last-minute plea, saying that "much depends on this election" and that "the feeling of involvement must increase year after year."

The election lasted 22 hours, stretching over 11 time zones, before ending at 8 p.m. in the Baltic Sea exclave of Kaliningrad.

Nadezhda, a kindergarten teacher who gave only her first name, didn't need the encouragement provided by a van that cruised around her Moscow neighborhood with a loudspeaker shouting that voting is the way to "a dignified life and a bright future."

"I always vote -- it is my country and my responsibility," she said, adding that she voted for Putin. She said he is "young and energetic" -- qualities that many Russians cite for their support of the trim, 51-year-old president, who has also benefited from steady economic growth during his first term.

"We voted for Putin because under him there's been stability in society, in the economy," said Mikhail Antonchik, a young miner who voted with his wife in Cheryomukhovo, a Ural Mountains village. "You can plan for the family."

But about one-fifth of Russia's 144 million people live in poverty and the gap between rich and poor remains wide, stoking anger at the authorities.

Communist challenger Nikolai Kharitonov appealed to the poor and polled more strongly than expected, bringing in 14.3 percent of the vote, according to preliminary results. Some 3.9 percent of voters checked the box marked "against all."

Irina Kozhukhova, a 42-year-old radio factory worker in St. Petersburg, said she'd voted in that category.

"I didn't vote for Putin because I've seen no changes -- neither in politics nor in the economy," she said.

Amid calls by some liberals for a boycott of the vote, which came three months after parliamentary elections that international observers called a setback for democracy, rival candidates and rights groups alleged vote-rigging in favor of Putin, including pre-marked ballots and pressure on students and soldiers.

"The authorities are resorting to pressuring the electorate and abusing their powers to manipulate the vote," nationalist candidate Sergei Glazyev told The Associated Press at an election monitoring center he set up jointly with Kharitonov and liberal candidate Irina Khakamada.

Citing monitors, the joint center said that patients at a Moscow psychiatric hospital had complained that the ballots they received were already marked for Putin.

VOICE, a grass-roots election monitoring association, reported that officers at a military base in the Volga River region of Samara received telegrams from the Defense Ministry ordering them to tell their superiors, in writing, the time they and their family members voted. Students at Samara State Aerospace University were threatened with eviction from their dormitory if they didn't vote, VOICE alleged.

Putin did not campaign openly, relying instead on his image as a stable, disciplined leader to appeal to a nation still traumatized by the political and social upheavals that followed the 1991 Soviet collapse.

In addition to Kharitonov, Khakamada and Glazyev, Putin faced Oleg Malyshkin, the little-known candidate from flamboyant nationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky's party, and Sergei Mironov, the speaker of the upper house of parliament, who has said he was running to support the incumbent. Glazyev polled 4.7 percent and Khakamada 4.6 percent, according to preliminary results.
Like there was any doubt of the outcome :roll: Btw, in case you're wondering, I voted "against all candidates"

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"I voted for Putin because he is going to win anyway, and what is the point in voting for someone else?" said financial inspector Yelena Chebakova, 31, one of a handful of early voters at a Moscow polling station.
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Vympel wrote:
"I voted for Putin because he is going to win anyway, and what is the point in voting for someone else?" said financial inspector Yelena Chebakova, 31, one of a handful of early voters at a Moscow polling station.
:lol:
"Well, I voted for Bush because he is going to win anyway, and what is the point in voting for someone else?"

Obviously these morons aren't experts in changing trends.
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"I voted for Putin because he is going to win anyway, and what is the point in voting for someone else?" said financial inspector Yelena Chebakova, 31, one of a handful of early voters at a Moscow polling station.
:lol:
"Well, I voted for Bush because he is going to win anyway, and what is the point in voting for someone else?"

Obviously these morons aren't experts in changing trends.
I hate people with that defeatist mindset.
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h0rus wrote:
h0rus wrote:
Vympel wrote: :lol:
"Well, I voted for Bush because he is going to win anyway, and what is the point in voting for someone else?"

Obviously these morons aren't experts in changing trends.
I hate people with that defeatist mindset.
And obviously you're ignorant of the situation in Russia. :roll: The whole election was a fucking joke.

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fgalkin wrote: And obviously you're ignorant of the situation in Russia. :roll: The whole election was a fucking joke.
What I wonder about (and yes, I am ignorant when it comes to Russian politics) is why Yelena Chebakova voted if Putin was going to win anyway. If you vote for someone because everybody else votes that way, what's the point? Do people have to vote? Do you have some incentive for voting, like time off from work to go vote?
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Bad things happen if a majority of the Russian population doesn't vote.
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fgalkin wrote:The whole election was a fucking joke.
Democracy in Russia is a fucking joke, even before Comrade Putin was in charge.
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True. Which is why I voted the way I voted.

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What's his method of rigging the elections?
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fgalkin wrote:True. Which is why I voted the way I voted.

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Wait, what I said was true, or what MD said?

BTW, what exactly happens?
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Ma Deuce wrote:
Democracy in Russia is a fucking joke, even before Comrade Putin was in charge.
Well, you can't expect them to just figure it out after 70 years of dictatorial/authoritarian communism, preceded by centuries of monarchist rule.

As long as the eight-year term rule remains in effect, there's hope. Although the practice established by that drunkard, Yeltsin, of 'grooming' a successor is a problem.
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Vympel wrote:
Ma Deuce wrote:
Democracy in Russia is a fucking joke, even before Comrade Putin was in charge.
Well, you can't expect them to just figure it out after 70 years of dictatorial/authoritarian communism, preceded by centuries of monarchist rule.

As long as the eight-year term rule remains in effect, there's hope. Although the practice established by that drunkard, Yeltsin, of 'grooming' a successor is a problem.
Much more that just 70 years, a whole milennia, from the earliest kingdoms at the time of Moscow's founding, to the longstanding Russian Empire that preceded the USSR, all have been autarchic, totalitarian states (well, the USSR was no longer an autarchy after Khruchev, who divided up some of the Preimier's power with the Politburo to ensured that there could never be another Stalin, a system that ironically allowed him to be ousted by Brezhnev after the Cuban Missile Crisis).

And no, 13 years is not going to shrug off that kind of history.
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Much more that just 70 years, a whole milennia
Oops, that should have been, more than just
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Ma Deuce wrote:
Much more that just 70 years, a whole milennia, from the earliest kingdoms at the time of Moscow's founding, to the longstanding Russian Empire that preceded the USSR, all have been autarchic, totalitarian states (well, the USSR was no longer an autarchy after Khruchev, who divided up some of the Preimier's power with the Politburo to ensured that there could never be another Stalin, a system that ironically allowed him to be ousted by Brezhnev after the Cuban Missile Crisis).

And no, 13 years is not going to shrug off that kind of history.
But you forget, they have the glorious consensus voting history of Novgorod to build on, where gangs of men went around beating voters in a van hope of getting laws passed.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:
Ma Deuce wrote:
Much more that just 70 years, a whole milennia, from the earliest kingdoms at the time of Moscow's founding, to the longstanding Russian Empire that preceded the USSR, all have been autarchic, totalitarian states (well, the USSR was no longer an autarchy after Khruchev, who divided up some of the Preimier's power with the Politburo to ensured that there could never be another Stalin, a system that ironically allowed him to be ousted by Brezhnev after the Cuban Missile Crisis).

And no, 13 years is not going to shrug off that kind of history.
But you forget, they have the glorious consensus voting history of Novgorod to build on, where gangs of men went around beating voters in a van hope of getting laws passed.
Better than what they had in Europe at the time. :P

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Ma Deuce wrote:
Democracy in Russia is a fucking joke, even before Comrade Putin was in charge.
Well, you can't expect them to just figure it out after 70 years of dictatorial/authoritarian communism, preceded by centuries of monarchist rule.
Well, Germany managed to become a quite democratic state, after centuries of monarchist and fascist rule. It is possible.

As long as the eight-year term rule remains in effect, there's hope. Although the practice established by that drunkard, Yeltsin, of 'grooming' a successor is a problem.
I'm almost sure he'll change the constitution to allow him more terms.
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Dahak wrote:Well, Germany managed to become a quite democratic state, after centuries of monarchist and fascist rule. It is possible.
But German democracy as it is today was brought on by a far more drastic catalyst (Germany was almost totally destroyed) than the fall of the USSR.

BTW, wasn't Germany technically a democracy for most of the span between the end of WWI and the time Hitler took over?
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Ma Deuce wrote:
Dahak wrote:Well, Germany managed to become a quite democratic state, after centuries of monarchist and fascist rule. It is possible.
But German democracy as it is today was brought on by a far more drastic catalyst (Germany was almost totally destroyed) than the fall of the USSR.

BTW, wasn't Germany technically a democracy for most of the span between the end of WWI and the time Hitler took over?
Germany was nominally a democracy over the period of the Weimar republic, but there was no democratic tradition, and the people were still deeply rooted in the mentality of monarchy. That's why Hindenburg was so popular, he surrounded himself by the militaristic flair the people ascociated with Imperial Germany.
That didn't really establish any democratic culture in Germans.
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Ma Deuce wrote:But German democracy as it is today was brought on by a far more drastic catalyst (Germany was almost totally destroyed) than the fall of the USSR.

BTW, wasn't Germany technically a democracy for most of the span between the end of WWI and the time Hitler took over?
Correction, totally destroyed. The country was a pile of rubble, literally. The Germans, at least in the west, were able to build the ideals of democracy after they had to rebuild their country by hand. This was fostered in the east following the fall of East Germany. It was this physical rebuilding that fostered democracy. Well, that and the Americans, French, and British who were giving them aid.
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What about all those tiny German states that were supposebly Democracies? (If not, what the Hell does the title "elector" mean?)


And, wasn't the Germany Empire more democratic than G.B. (in the eligible voters sense) for a few years in the 19th century?
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Lonestar wrote:What about all those tiny German states that were supposebly Democracies? (If not, what the Hell does the title "elector" mean?)


And, wasn't the Germany Empire more democratic than G.B. (in the eligible voters sense) for a few years in the 19th century?
If you are writing about the Electors to the Holy Roman Empire, no, because the 8 or so powerful ones essentially decided who the emperor would be. Also, the German Empire as of 1871 wasn't as democratic as Britain at the same time, but Bismarck did make some democratic concessions to some of the minority groups. On the whole however, Bismarck and the Emperor were in control of the country.
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You sure? Massie's Dreadnought seems to say that early in the German Empire, it was more democratic than Britain.
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"Elector" meant that whichever prince controlled that electorate was able to vote for the Holy Roman Emperor. The principality itself was still an autocratic state.
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Lonestar wrote:You sure? Massie's Dreadnought seems to say that early in the German Empire, it was more democratic than Britain.
I have not read all of Dreadnought, but the impression always given to me was that Germany appeared to be a democratic state early on, but that this facade of representative government was just that.
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