China, France Hold Naval Drill Before Taiwan Vote
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China, France Hold Naval Drill Before Taiwan Vote
Please, someone tell me why this is either a vicious lie or that it doesn't mean what it seems to mean. I mean, I may have a few beefs with the French, but I certainly wouldn't have said they were going to help an authoritarian state intimidate a democracy.
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And the French wonder why they have a reputation as weasels.TheDarkling wrote:France wants to be friends with China, the EU as a whole is moving towards China as our new ally, the French especially want to lift the arm embargo and start flogging them all the European defence technologies they can swallow.
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It's not just the French.Glocksman wrote:And the French wonder why they have a reputation as weasels.TheDarkling wrote:France wants to be friends with China, the EU as a whole is moving towards China as our new ally, the French especially want to lift the arm embargo and start flogging them all the European defence technologies they can swallow.
China also likes German technology. We sold them (though the deal isn't just perfect yet) a nuclear waste processing plant. As well as our Transrapid technology (maglev trains).
It's just too good a market to let it pass it...
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What arms embargo? The latest PLAN warships are already laden with French radars and SAM's and the whole fleet flies French ASW helicopters, the PLA also has a great deal of French aircraft and military electronics. Though on the other hand a large chunk of the Taiwanese surface fleet consists of French frigates.TheDarkling wrote:France wants to be friends with China, the EU as a whole is moving towards China as our new ally, the French especially want to lift the arm embargo and start flogging them all the European defence technologies they can swallow.
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If the US government is willing to back up Taiwanese independence there's nothing China can do, France or no France.
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The EU has had an arm embargo ever since the Chinese got a tad over zealous in Tiananmen Square, France and Germany have been pushing to have it removed (China is reformed apparently) and the US have been complaining that China is still evil to the core (which mean they don’t want China having the equipment or the EU having the market).Sea Skimmer wrote: What arms embargo? The latest PLAN warships are already laden with French radars and SAM's and the whole fleet flies French ASW helicopters, the PLA also has a great deal of French aircraft and military electronics. Though on the other hand a large chunk of the Taiwanese surface fleet consists of French frigates.
Anytime you hear China talk about the EU or the EU (plus France and Germany) talk about China it is rather clear that the idea being put forward is that we unite against our common rival (that would be you Yank folk), of course the US goes out of its way to makes it easy by trying to crush things like Galileo whilst the Chinese are investing a tidy sum.
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The French will sell weapons to anyone with money.
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Re: French Weapons
And the French are special in this regard...how?Cpl Kendall wrote:The French will sell weapons to anyone with money.
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PLAN warships use French radars? I was certain they used Russian.Sea Skimmer wrote:
What arms embargo? The latest PLAN warships are already laden with French radars and SAM's and the whole fleet flies French ASW helicopters, the PLA also has a great deal of French aircraft and military electronics. Though on the other hand a large chunk of the Taiwanese surface fleet consists of French frigates.
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According to Janes Fighting Ships they are now using a mix of French and Russian Radars. As well as guns, and missiles such as the Crotale SAM.Vympel wrote:PLAN warships use French radars? I was certain they used Russian.Sea Skimmer wrote:
What arms embargo? The latest PLAN warships are already laden with French radars and SAM's and the whole fleet flies French ASW helicopters, the PLA also has a great deal of French aircraft and military electronics. Though on the other hand a large chunk of the Taiwanese surface fleet consists of French frigates.
Re: French Weapons
I read an article at www.janes.com a while ago that lists the French as the second leading weapos exporter after Russia.Dahak wrote:And the French are special in this regard...how?Cpl Kendall wrote:The French will sell weapons to anyone with money.
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The French will sell anything to anyone.
Their allies frequently fight foes laden with their hardware. What, the Argentinians and the Super Etendards? And I believe they helped the Israelis develop their nuke. And all the shit provided to the Iraqis...
Their allies frequently fight foes laden with their hardware. What, the Argentinians and the Super Etendards? And I believe they helped the Israelis develop their nuke. And all the shit provided to the Iraqis...
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I'd also add that if the European Union is so competitive and envious of global power they'd partner up with the ChicComs to facilitate their ambitions...well...
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Nah, they have their limits. I figure their must be a reason why the ChiComs don't have Mirage 2000s in their inventory. Taiwan does, though.Illuminatus Primus wrote:The French will sell anything to anyone.
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Of course France is the leading voice in lifting the ban on weapons tech to China inside the EU.Vympel wrote:Nah, they have their limits. I figure their must be a reason why the ChiComs don't have Mirage 2000s in their inventory. Taiwan does, though.Illuminatus Primus wrote:The French will sell anything to anyone.
For my opinion, while China continues to justify the Tiananmen (spell?) Square incident, then weapons sales should be avoided. Although that is a hopelessly idiolistic view in the world, and well there you have it.
Mind you, I am still suprised no one has mentioned the amount of tech trasfer that has occured between China and Israel yet ...
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Missile Tech
Didn't China and Israel trade long range missile tech a while ago. I believe the Israeli's used it to develop their "Popeye Turbo" long range cruise missile.
Re: Missile Tech
I have heard of some rumours of missile tech being floated around, but I am not too sure about which missile tech that was. I was referring to the J-10. It looks like a carbon copy of the Lavi!Cpl Kendall wrote:Didn't China and Israel trade long range missile tech a while ago. I believe the Israeli's used it to develop their "Popeye Turbo" long range cruise missile.
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Especially hate the French for selling weapons since the Russians, Germans do it, and also because America provides its allies with weapons (read Contras, Afghani Rebels, Iraq during Iraq/Iran War)
Everyone is guilty of selling shit.
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Of course they are, but it is alway easier to bash France than anyone else.Fremen_Muhadib wrote:Especially hate the French for selling weapons since the Russians, Germans do it, and also because America provides its allies with weapons (read Contras, Afghani Rebels, Iraq during Iraq/Iran War)
Everyone is guilty of selling shit.
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Re: Missile Tech
It probably is a carbon copy of the Lavi. The Chinese are never shy about copying what works. Hell the Silkworm missile is a copy of the Exocet.Crown wrote:I have heard of some rumours of missile tech being floated around, but I am not too sure about which missile tech that was. I was referring to the J-10. It looks like a carbon copy of the Lavi!Cpl Kendall wrote:Didn't China and Israel trade long range missile tech a while ago. I believe the Israeli's used it to develop their "Popeye Turbo" long range cruise missile.
Re: French Weapons
Isn't it true that Russian MBTs did not have thermal imaging sights until they bought them from *you guessed it* in the early '90s?Cpl Kendall wrote:The French will sell weapons to anyone with money.
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