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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/408359.html
Palestinian boy, 14, got NIS 100 to blow up at IDF roadblock

By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent, Haaretz Service and AP



Israel Defense Forces paratroopers caught a Palestinian boy aged 14 wearing an explosive belt at the Hawara roadblock, south of Nablus, in the West Bank on Wednesday afternoon.




Sappers used a remote-controlled robot to pass scissors to the boy, Hussam Abdu from Nablus, so that he could cut the explosive belt off his body, and then safely detonated it in a controlled explosion.

Abdu, who was taken in for questioning, said that he received NIS 100 to carry out a suicide attack.

The IDF believes that Abdu was meant to detonate the 8 kg belt near the soldiers or close to the nearby army base.

A Tanzim cell from the Balata refugee camp in Nablus took responsibility for sending the boy.

Abdu told soldiers of his dream of receiving 72 virgins in heaven, which his dispatchers had promised him, and said that he had been tempted by the promise of sexual relations with the virgins. He said that he had been bullied at school for his poor academic performance and that he had wanted "to be a hero."

The commander of the Paratroopers Brigade, Lieutenant Colonel "Guy," told Haaretz that the boy was apparently instructed to set off the explosives he was wearing among the soldiers.

It appears that he was afraid to detonate the bomb at the site, as he was surrounded by Palestinians and the soldiers were too far away. Lieutenant Colonel "Guy" added that the "level of awareness" of the soldiers prevented a serious terrorist attack.

The family of the boy said that he was gullible. "He doesn't know anything," his brother, Hosni, said.

In a statement, the Israel branch of Physicians for Human Rights condemned the Palestinian militants for sending the teenager on a bombing mission.

The statement said, "Adults should cease to exploit children by making them take part in such acts." The Israeli branch of the physicians group often issues protests about Israel's practices in the territories.

Soldiers at the checkpoint said they had received intelligence that there was an imminent attack planned there, shut down the crossing and began searching people there.

Suddenly the boy, wearing an oversized red jersey, approached them in a suspicious way, said an officer at the checkpoint.

"We saw that he had something under his shirt," he said. The soldiers dove behind concrete barricades, pointed their guns at him and told him to stop.

They ordered him to take off his jersey, revealing a large gray bomb vest underneath. "He told us he didn't want to die. He didn't want to blow up," the officer said.

The soldiers then sent the robot to hand the scissors to the boy. He cut off part of the vest and struggled with the rest. "I don't how to get this off," Abdu called to the soldiers.

After he dropped the vest, soldiers ordered him to take off his undershirt and jeans, to ensure he had no other weapons on him.

"This is another horrific example of how the Palestinians use their own children to spread terror against Israelis," David Baker, an official in the prime minister's office, said in response.

"These children are turned into human time-bombs for the purpose of spreading as much terror against Israelis as possible," Baker added.

Abdu's mother voiced astonishment at the incident.

"Hussam left home this morning to school, and this was the first we hear of what happened," Tamam Abdu told Reuters from the family home in Nablus, just north of Hawara. "This is shocking. To use a child like this is irresponsible, forbidden."

Just last week, soldiers found an explosive charge on a cart pushed by a 10-year-old Palestinian boy at the same roadblock.

The soldiers released the boy after it transpired that he did not know what was in the bag he was carrying through the barricade.

Late Wednesday, several Israeli tanks moved back into an area of the Khan Yunis refugee camp in the southern Gaza Strip, residents said.

Military sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it was a similar, limited operation to one the day before in which some structures were razed.
Never a dull day in the Middleeast, always thinking up new and exciting ways to blow each other up. Christ, What's wrong with these people? Do they really hate the Israelis more than they love their kids?

(I understand the Palestinian Boy's family were not in on it, or so the story goes)
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Those bastards, taking advantage of a teenager's hormones.
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Already been posted here
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Before I posted I looked in the first page and last page of that thread, obviously, I should have looked closer.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."
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d'oh....as I was. :oops:
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."
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Let's all cheer for the brave Palestinian freedom fighters! :roll:

Say what you want, but Israel doesn't send its children to kill Palestinians. The fucks. :evil:

Have a very nice day.
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Welcome to my world, where no way to kill each other is sacred :roll:
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fgalkin wrote:Let's all cheer for the brave Palestinian freedom fighters! :roll:

Say what you want, but Israel doesn't send its children to kill Palestinians. The fucks. :evil:

Have a very nice day.
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Of course not. They have superior weapons. Do you think the Paletinians would be doing any of this if they had, say, American-level military equipment and training?
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Darth Wong wrote:
fgalkin wrote:Let's all cheer for the brave Palestinian freedom fighters! :roll:

Say what you want, but Israel doesn't send its children to kill Palestinians. The fucks. :evil:

Have a very nice day.
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Of course not. They have superior weapons. Do you think the Paletinians would be doing any of this if they had, say, American-level military equipment and training?
Sending children to die is always evil. There is no justifcation for that. Ever.

That's not to say that Israel is blameless, though. Basically, on one hand we have an evil fundie theocracy , which brainwashes its citizens into becomeing bomb delivery mechanisms, on the other hand we have an opressive state which tries to eliminate said theocracy. The problem is, even if one of them backs down, the other one will percieve it as a sign of weakness and double the attacks.

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Darth Wong wrote:Of course not. They have superior weapons. Do you think the Paletinians would be doing any of this if they had, say, American-level military equipment and training?
Sending children to die is always evil. There is no justifcation for that. Ever.
Keep that in mind the next time some kid gets shot or blown up by Israeli forces, either as "collateral damage" or "an accident". Just a few weeks ago a 15 year old was shot in the back in an utterly quiet street by Israeli forces right in full view of UN personnel who reported it. The Israelis, as usual, said it was "an accident" and promised to investigate. When you live in an environment where death is so common, and so often strikes the young, it's hardly surprising that some 14-year old decides to go out and be a hero.
That's not to say that Israel is blameless, though. Basically, on one hand we have an evil fundie theocracy , which brainwashes its citizens into becomeing bomb delivery mechanisms, on the other hand we have an opressive state which tries to eliminate said theocracy. The problem is, even if one of them backs down, the other one will percieve it as a sign of weakness and double the attacks.

Have a very nice day.
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One democratic government throughout the entirety of Israel (including the Occupied Territories) might help. At least it has the virtue of not having been demonstrated to be an utter failure for >50 years, unlike "partition".
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The problem with having a democratic government in areas with Muslim fundies is that those fundies tend to come to power that way. Which, actually is a problem in areas with any kinds of fundies. Muslim fundies, however, usually are of the violent and America-hating variety.

Also, I don't think such system will work. If it includes both Israelis and Palestininians, they will be at each others' throats all the time, and nothing will be done. Also, there is the problem of Palestinian kids being indoctrinated into hating Israel and not accepting anything less than its complete destruction. Which brings us to my first point.

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The problem with having a democratic government in areas with Muslim fundies is that those fundies tend to come to power that way. Which, actually is a problem in areas with any kinds of fundies. Muslim fundies, however, usually are of the violent and America-hating variety.
This not always true. Two of the largest muslim countries, Bangladesh and Indonesia, are democracies with secular parties in power.
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With a sizeable fundie minority blowing shit up (in Indonesia, at least).

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Evilcat4000 wrote:This not always true. Two of the largest muslim countries, Bangladesh and Indonesia, are democracies with secular parties in power.
The problem here is you made no differentation of 'muslim' and 'muslim-fundy'. The two *are* seperate concepts. While I do not have the knowledge required to say for certain whether or not Indonesia and Bangladesh are mostly fundy or not, I just wanted to point out that it's a bad idea to replace 'muslim-fundy' with 'muslim' without explaining why.

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Darth Wong wrote:When you live in an environment where death is so common, and so often strikes the young, it's hardly surprising that some 14-year old decides to go out and be a hero.
He didn't this time though.
"He told us he didn't want to die. He didn't want to blow up," the officer said.
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Of course not. They have superior weapons. Do you think the Paletinians would be doing any of this if they had, say, American-level military equipment and training?
Despite the differences, it is foolish to allow the youth to go off and die. It is defeating their cause in a way, for they want freedom for the future, yet they insist on wasting their children which are the future. They should at least send the old people.
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Of course not. They have superior weapons. Do you think the Paletinians would be doing any of this if they had, say, American-level military equipment and training?
Despite the differences, it is foolish to allow the youth to go off and die. It is defeating their cause in a way, for they want freedom for the future, yet they insist on wasting their children which are the future. They should at least send the old people.
Its the way it is though. I remember reasding in the paper the other day what one father said about his newborn son, it was along the lines of "I would gladly sacrifice him to kill just one Israeli". Some parents are too rooted in their hatred to care about their kids.
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Sharp-kun wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:When you live in an environment where death is so common, and so often strikes the young, it's hardly surprising that some 14-year old decides to go out and be a hero.
He didn't this time though.
"He told us he didn't want to die. He didn't want to blow up," the officer said.
I find it puzzling that he didn't know he was going to die in the planned attack.
Abdu told soldiers of his dream of receiving 72 virgins in heaven, which his dispatchers had promised him, and said that he had been tempted by the promise of sexual relations with the virgins. He said that he had been bullied at school for his poor academic performance and that he had wanted "to be a hero."
That myth is associated with martyrs, although it's certainly quite possible that this kid was just too ignorant to know that. Still, he was wearing a friggin' bomb! Bombs explode! What was he expecting?

This seems like a microcosm of the entire Israel vs. Palestine struggle: people doing terrible things to each other for completely idiotic reasons, and no common sense to be seen. Morons. :(
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As far as I can tell, the kid knew he was expected to die. He just didn't want to.
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Cornelius wrote:
Of course not. They have superior weapons. Do you think the Paletinians would be doing any of this if they had, say, American-level military equipment and training?
Despite the differences, it is foolish to allow the youth to go off and die. It is defeating their cause in a way, for they want freedom for the future, yet they insist on wasting their children which are the future. They should at least send the old people.
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fgalkin wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
fgalkin wrote:Let's all cheer for the brave Palestinian freedom fighters! :roll:

Say what you want, but Israel doesn't send its children to kill Palestinians. The fucks. :evil:

Have a very nice day.
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Of course not. They have superior weapons. Do you think the Paletinians would be doing any of this if they had, say, American-level military equipment and training?
Sending children to die is always evil. There is no justifcation for that. Ever.

That's not to say that Israel is blameless, though. Basically, on one hand we have an evil fundie theocracy , which brainwashes its citizens into becomeing bomb delivery mechanisms, on the other hand we have an opressive state which tries to eliminate said theocracy. The problem is, even if one of them backs down, the other one will percieve it as a sign of weakness and double the attacks.

Have a very nice day.
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The Crusades *were* evil dude.
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Axis Kast wrote:As far as I can tell, the kid knew he was expected to die. He just didn't want to.
Acording to press here, the guy had no idea he was transporting stuff, sure he's stupid, but not that stupid(well he did accept a backpack from someone).
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