Apparently 9/11 was a "Miracle from God"

Cromag · Post by **Cromag** » 2004-03-26 05:43pm

Words fail me at the moment.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/03/ ... index.html

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » 2004-03-26 05:55pm

Is anyone shocked to learn that that, when you get down to it, Falwell and Islamic fundies are just two sides to the same coin? I'm not.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-03-26 06:17pm

Dude, various Islamic fundies have been calling it a miracle from Allah since September 12, 2001.

The concept is old news.

Cromag · Post by **Cromag** » 2004-03-26 06:19pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Dude, various Islamic fundies have been calling it a miracle from Allah since September 12, 2001. The concept is old news.

Well, I'd seen the footage of people dancing in the street, but I was reasonably certain that the major clerics thought it was an abominable act. I could be mistaken, of course, but it's the first time I can recall any of the head clerics there outright calling it a miracle.

The Albino Raven · Post by **The Albino Raven** » 2004-03-26 06:49pm

Is anyone shocked to learn that that, when you get down to it, Falwell and Islamic fundies are just two sides to the same coin? I'm not.

To Quote George Carlin "Christian fundementalists, Muslim Fundementalists, Jewish fundementalists, or just plain guys from Montana, all talking on a two way radio to God..."

Bob McDob · Post by **Bob McDob** » 2004-03-26 07:05pm

Cromag wrote:Well, I'd seen the footage of people dancing in the street, but I was reasonably certain that the major clerics thought it was an abominable act.

Exchange "major" and "reasonable" and you'll be correct.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-03-26 07:21pm

More love and tenderness from the "religion of peace," I see.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2004-03-26 09:04pm

Durandal wrote:More love and tenderness from the "religion of peace," I see.

You mean the "religion of peices flying all over the place" right?

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-03-26 09:20pm

So when do we just glass the place?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-03-26 09:25pm

Nathan F wrote:So when do we just glass the place?

Oh yeah, I'm sure this guy speaks for the whole Islamic world.

Tell me something, would you judge the morality of the United States based on Jerry Falwell's statements?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-26 10:02pm

Nathan F wrote:So when do we just glass the place?

The irony of advocating genocide as punishment for the other side's perceived moral failings is apparently lost on you.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-03-26 11:15pm

"No, no Israel! No, no to the Jews! No, no America! No, no to terrorism!"

Right, no to terrorism but Sept. 11 was a miracle. I guess its only terrorism if you don't agree.

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2004-03-26 11:30pm

Boy it sure would be a shame if that guy became the victim of "Iraqi insurgents"

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Meest · Post by **Meest** » 2004-03-27 02:05am

The United States criticized the attack but stopped short of condemning it. On Thursday, the United States vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution that would have condemned the assassination.

The reason for that being?

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-03-27 02:15am

Durandal wrote:More love and tenderness from the "religion of peace," I see.

This particular cleric does not represent Islam. Many muslims died in the spetermber 11 attacks.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-03-27 02:15am

Because Israel is our ally?

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-03-27 02:23am

evilcat4000 wrote:
Durandal wrote:More love and tenderness from the "religion of peace," I see.
This particular cleric does not represent Islam. Many muslims died in the spetermber 11 attacks.

No, but the Qa'ran certainly represents Islam. And it tells Muslims to kill infidels.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-03-27 02:29am

Durandal wrote: No, but the Qa'ran certainly represents Islam. And it tells Muslims to kill infidels.

That's a matter of interpretation. The traditional Jihad for example is actually an internal conflict and has nothing to do with fighting wars. Also, the Qa'ran preaches tolerance towards Jews and Christians as being faithful, but misguided. Any religious text can be perverted for violence as we all well know.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-03-27 02:38am

The Kernel wrote:
Durandal wrote:No, but the Qa'ran certainly represents Islam. And it tells Muslims to kill infidels.
That's a matter of interpretation. The traditional Jihad for example is actually an internal conflict and has nothing to do with fighting wars.

That's irrelevant. When you believe that being a martyr will bring you to paradise in the afterlife, you don't give a shit about what "jihad" means. Also, the books of Genesis and Exodus are a part of Islam's scriptures (the rest of the Old Testament is considered to be corrupted by translation), so it's not like they don't have precedent for terrorism in their scripture.

Also, the Qa'ran preaches tolerance towards Jews and Christians as being faithful, but misguided. Any religious text can be perverted for violence as we all well know.

Then you get into the mess of "true Christianity," or whatever. To Muslims, Christians aren't people who embrace Western culture, because Western culture is sinful and evil by Islamic and Christian standards.

The Albino Raven · Post by **The Albino Raven** » 2004-03-27 03:04am

Durandal wrote:No, but the Qa'ran certainly represents Islam. And it tells Muslims to kill infidels.

Yes, and the Bible says to execute those who touch the skin of a pig on sunday. Just because it is written in a holy book doesn't mean that everyone in that religion follows it exactly.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-03-27 04:38am

The Albino Raven wrote:
Durandal wrote:No, but the Qa'ran certainly represents Islam. And it tells Muslims to kill infidels.
Yes, and the Bible says to execute those who touch the skin of a pig on sunday. Just because it is written in a holy book doesn't mean that everyone in that religion follows it exactly.

And nowhere did I say that everyone who claimed to be a Muslim was a terrorist. Condemning the belief system is not equivalent to condemning everyone who associates with it, because, as you said, not everyone follows their religion to the letter. But the fact remains that their holy book does tell them to kill infidels. Whether or not people actually do it isn't really relevant.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-03-27 04:50am

Durandal wrote: And nowhere did I say that everyone who claimed to be a Muslim was a terrorist. Condemning the belief system is not equivalent to condemning everyone who associates with it, because, as you said, not everyone follows their religion to the letter. But the fact remains that their holy book does tell them to kill infidels. Whether or not people actually do it isn't really relevant.

You did say:

"No, but the Qa'ran certainly represents Islam. And it tells Muslims to kill infidels."

The implication being that you think the statements in the Qa'ran represent those of Islam in general, which is why I said it is all about interpretation. Sure some Islamic fundementalists may see the Qa'ran as justifying murder, but I don't think it is an overall representation of the Muslim beliefs any more then the Bible's passages about justifiable slaughter are.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-27 04:55am

The Kernel wrote:The implication being that you think the statements in the Qa'ran represent those of Islam in general, which is why I said it is all about interpretation.

They do represent Islam. They might not necessarily represent all Muslims. See the difference? As one person put it, individual Muslims may be tolerant, but Islam itself is not.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-03-27 04:57am

Durandal wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:
Durandal wrote:More love and tenderness from the "religion of peace," I see.
This particular cleric does not represent Islam. Many muslims died in the spetermber 11 attacks.
No, but the Qa'ran certainly represents Islam. And it tells Muslims to kill infidels.

That quote is taken out of context.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-03-27 04:59am

Darth Wong wrote: They do represent Islam. They might not necessarily represent all Muslims. See the difference? As one person put it, individual Muslims may be tolerant, but Islam itself is not.

How can you say whether one particular sect represents Islam? I don't consider Christian Fundies as representing Christianity, do you?