Microsoft gives generously to China

moku · Post by **moku** » 2004-04-26 06:09am

American Security uses Microsoft source code, and States "no" to giving it away - after all, it would reveal everything to their enemies, and now Microsoft gives to China!

Ahh, Mockery of stupid people!

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2004-04-26 08:43am

Why would Red China need the Microsoft source codes... internet-based espionage, perhaps?

In any case, it's worth mentioning that the Chinese gov't databases run Linux.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-26 09:15am

Peregrin Toker wrote:Why would Red China need the Microsoft source codes... internet-based espionage, perhaps?

Development.

In any case, it's worth mentioning that the Chinese gov't databases run Linux.

Irrelevant.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-04-26 09:39am

Peregrin Toker wrote:Why would Red China need the Microsoft source codes... internet-based espionage, perhaps?

In any case, it's worth mentioning that the Chinese gov't databases run Linux.

Perhaps the Chinese goverment wants to be abolutely sure that Microsoft did not include any back doors or trojans in their code.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2004-04-26 10:13am

This would be the results of Microsoft's Shared Source Initiative.

Its basicly designed to convince government and other very large institutions that Microsoft's stuff doesnt include any backdoors or the like.

But given that a 1 byte change allowed for the remote compromization of the linux kernel, it really doesnt say much.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-04-26 02:08pm

It's not surprising that a small change in code can completely fuck up a program. Just try a couple of for loops in C++ that look like this ...

Code: Select all

for(i = 1; i < someNumber; i++)
    cout << "i = " << i << endl;

and

Code: Select all

for(i = 1; i < someNumber; i--)
    cout << "i = " << i << endl;

There's only a small difference, but one will work, and the other will go on forever.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2004-04-26 03:45pm

Durandal wrote:It's not surprising that a small change in code can completely fuck up a program. Just try a couple of for loops in C++ that look like this ...

Yup. Except in this case, it was valid code for all but a single extreme case and then it was a garrientied remote expliot.

moku · Post by **moku** » 2004-04-27 02:01am

It goes somethign like this: The National American Security use Microsoft (yes as absurd and stupid it is

) and Microsoft was considering selling it's source code (under it's fucked up licenses such as you have only bought the license to use this product etc.) and thus (duh) the National Security said: "NO" cause it'll fuck up their security, and anybody with the source code (especially "unreliable" countries such as China) could completely hack into the Security mainframe. NOW: Microsoft has sold the code to China.
Thanks USA! What a bunch of dumnasses they are at the Security initiative...

Post by **Edi** » 2004-04-27 02:14am

Actually, the Linux kernel exploit attempt would have made any and all operations that checked for that very rare instance an automatic remote hack. Normally the operation checked if two flags were set to something, the modified version automatically set the flags to those (normally illegal) positions and allowed a remote compromise of the system.

Edi

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-04-27 02:24am

It's not surprising that a small change in code can completely fuck up a program. Just try a couple of for loops in C++ that look like this ...

Indeed. The worst bugs happen with poiners. Sometimes programs derefence invalid or null pointers or forget to delete dynamicaly allocated memory.

moku · Post by **moku** » 2004-04-27 03:22am

I asked my dad about that C++ coding (let it to be known to you folks that I am only 14, thus still I have yet to learn a shitload of stuff). I understand it now, and realize (sorry this is borin') that if you say i=1 and then tell it that it should continue to add 1 to i until it reaches a certain digit (I think under) it stops, however when you say i=1 and the number to reach is 5 and you give it the subtraction command you then have told it to subtract 1 (-1) to your pronumeral (i) and thus go -1, -2, -3 and so on., This now seperates you from your set digit (5) and now you are moving away from it; thus an infinite loop...

Am I correct or was that just stupid bullshit?

Post by **Edi** » 2004-04-27 03:38am

That's right. And no reason to be ashamed that you don't know something, all of us learn something new all the time. Your dad explained to you what Durandal's bit of code explains to those of us who know programming (or like me, who know how to read simple code but can't program worth shit).

Edi

moku · Post by **moku** » 2004-04-27 04:01am

Thanks, now i don't feel like a worthless bag of shit.

Anyhow, you folks want to help me out a bit? I have a Euthanasia Law assignmnet to do (recieved today), and I am conducting surveys.
Here is the link.

Thanks again.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-27 04:18am

`naeo wrote:Thanks, now i don't feel like a worthless bag of shit.

Dude, I've seen university students trip on infinite loops; you're off to a good start.

moku · Post by **moku** » 2004-04-27 04:32am

Thanks for helpiung out in my survey!

Is, there some other code you could show me? That C++ coding looks pretty cool. My dad uses Python a lot. Says it rocks quite a bit - though he can program in a couple of languages.
I am actually named after a programing language... Can you guess which one?

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-04-27 04:39am

`naeo wrote:Thanks for helpiung out in my survey!

Is, there some other code you could show me? That C++ coding looks pretty cool. My dad uses Python a lot. Says it rocks quite a bit - though he can program in a couple of languages.
I am actually named after a programing language... Can you guess which one?

THe fact that only one language resembles a name, and your email addy

PASCAL

Like Edi, I can read code, but can't program a shit in anything.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-27 04:47am

`naeo wrote:Thanks for helpiung out in my survey!

Is, there some other code you could show me?

Sure.

A for loop in Java:

char [] charArray = {'a','b','c'};
for (int i=0; i<charArray.length; i++) {
System.out.println("Character at index "+i+" in the character array is "+charArray);
}

That C++ coding looks pretty cool.

Yeah. Actually, C++ and C are arguably the most powerful languages.

My dad uses Python a lot. Says it rocks quite a bit - though he can program in a couple of languages.
I am actually named after a programing language... Can you guess which one?

Ada? Alf? Amber? What letter does your name start with?

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-27 04:48am

Ace Pace wrote:PASCAL.

Smart ass!

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-04-27 04:49am

BoredShirtless wrote:
Ada? Alf? Amber? What letter does your name start with?

Hello?

~4pascal@tpg.com.au~

His email.... think

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2004-04-27 04:57am

evilcat4000 wrote:
It's not surprising that a small change in code can completely fuck up a program. Just try a couple of for loops in C++ that look like this ...
Indeed. The worst bugs happen with poiners. Sometimes programs derefence invalid or null pointers or forget to delete dynamicaly allocated memory.

What about buffer overflows and running past the end of an array?

And the Linux kernel is C, not C++.

moku · Post by **moku** » 2004-04-27 05:19am

Damn, should've not added that address in the sig.

Mhh, that coding, i don't understand it. sorry, dad is not around, so i guess it is you i have to ask.

Umm, how do you (in BBS code) write the "code" for instance like you folks did?

And is there anything else i should get accustomed to and/or known to at these boards? (i am a n00b).

thanks again,

pascal

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-04-27 05:22am

`naeo wrote:
And is there anything else i should get accustomed to and/or known to at these boards? (i am a n00b).

thanks again,

pascal

From a fellow 14 year old

Preper to be initialy shocked at the wording, discussion, and the speed that topics turn to anal sex, also, stupidty is flamed

Other then that, read the announcement forum.

moku · Post by **moku** » 2004-04-27 05:47am

I have read the FAQ etc. and have discovered this place is brutal compared to the other boards I am part of.

So erm, anybody in particular I should be wary of? Like some ex-janitor nymphomaniac or similar?
(*what?!?*)

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-04-27 05:48am

`naeo wrote:Mhh, that coding, i don't understand it. sorry, dad is not around, so i guess it is you i have to ask.

What questions do you have?

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-04-27 05:52am

`naeo wrote:I have read the FAQ etc. and have discovered this place is brutal compared to the other boards I am part of. So erm, anybody in particular I should be wary of? Like some ex-janitor nymphomaniac or similar?
(*what?!?*)

Hmn, let me give you a condensed list, with my opinion:

1) watch out for double posts, though admin useally delete them
2) Beware following links that Einhander won't inline
3) Do not think that star trek can win a salad fight
4) Fight of Foo is taken

5) Thou Shalt Not request Membership in BOTM after saying your 14
5) The mary Poppins VS trinty thread is NOT a legend

6) Beware of Einhander\Sheppard

I suppose the rest can add their own thoughts

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