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Border Patrol makes sweeps inland.

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ONTARIO, Calif. (AP) -- Elidia Celestina peered from behind a window shade before opening the door a crack to a stranger. If she leaves her apartment at all these days, it is only for a rushed, nerve-racking trip to the store.

"Everyone is afraid," said Celestina, 19, who came from Mexico five months ago. "We're like mice, hiding in our homes."

She and many other illegal immigrants in Southern California have been gripped by fear since a new Border Patrol unit began roving through Hispanic communities and making arrests well north of the border, beyond the agency's usual area of operations.

Since June 1, the unit has captured more than 420 suspected illegal immigrants. They have been picked up on the street, pulled over while driving, or caught coming out of stores in communities 100 miles or more from the Mexican border.

The raids have spread such fear that some people have stopped going shopping or attending church. Immigrant advocates say some are staying home from work, too.

California is home to an estimated 2 million illegal immigrants, more than any other state. The border itself is patrolled aggressively. But for years, illegal immigrants who reach the interior, often at great cost and danger, have faced little risk of arrest.

"It does appear to be a shift in tactics," said Shaheena Ahmad Simons, a Los Angeles attorney with the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund. "These sweeps have created a pervasive fear and even anger among Latinos regardless of their immigration status."

While the Border Patrol has employed what it refers to as roving units in the past, it had not used them recently, said Mario Villarreal, an agency spokesman in Washington.

Villarreal would not say exactly why the Border Patrol has started the inland sweeps.

The Border Patrol has the legal authority to make arrests inland but traditionally operates close to the border, and it employs checkpoints instead of roving patrols. It is immigration agents, from a different agency altogether, who generally make arrests inland.

The Mobile Patrol Group consists of 12 agents based at a station in Temecula, about 55 miles from the border. The Temecula team ranges across some 3,000 square miles.

Border Patrol officials said it makes arrests only when it has information about the presence of illegal immigrants.

"If you're here legally in the United States, you really don't have anything to worry about," said Raul Martinez, a Border Patrol spokesman.

Nevertheless, immigrant activists contend agents have violated people's rights by questioning Hispanics without probable cause.

"In Southern California, there are many people who appear to be of Mexican ancestry. That does not mean they are here illegally," said Simons, whose organization is considering a legal challenge.

Mexican President Vicente Fox also has criticized the arrests, instructing his foreign secretary this week to lodge "an energetic protest" with the U.S. government.

Throughout the region, the arrests have set off rumors and panic.

Alerts, often false, about "la migra" checkpoints (Spanish slang for immigration officials) have become as common as traffic reports on Spanish-language radio. Activists have organized marches and protests. Local politicians have called immigration officials, demanding answers. Shops and restaurants in Hispanic neighborhoods say their business has plummeted because many illegal immigrants are staying close to home.

"We're just waiting for the moment when it's going to get us. We're terrified," said Luis Paredes, a 28-year-old construction worker in Escondido, 50 miles north of the border. He and wife go out only to work or to buy groceries. And they stick together when they do so, for fear one will be deported without the other.

On June 4, the Border Patrol unit went north to the San Bernardino County city of Ontario, about 100 miles from Mexico, and captured 79 illegal immigrants. Among them were Celestina's husband and his two brothers, who were caught as they headed to a job unloading trucks. A day later, the patrol arrested 75 people in Corona, about 80 miles from the border.

The Border Patrol said about 10 percent of those detained had criminal records. "We've gotten numerous calls of support from the community," Martinez said. "It's overwhelming."

Nearly all those captured are Mexican, with a few from Central America. The vast majority have agreed to be released just across the border, in Tijuana, rather than await a deportation hearing.

Celestina, who said she is four months pregnant, now waits for her husband to return from Tijuana.

The area around Escondido, which means "hidden" in Spanish, has been hardest hit by the patrol, with 268 people arrested as of Thursday.

In a commercial district frequented by Hispanics, witnesses said Border Patrol agents cornered people at a laundry and a supermarket.

Beatriz Ramirez, who runs a money-transfer business, said the number of people using her service to send cash to families in Latin America has dropped to one or two per day, down from 20.

"It's become a ghost street," she said.

Teodulo Ruiz Perez, who is from Mexico and works at a car wash, said: "We're just here working. What harm are we doing? Is it a sin to work?"

(Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

Vicente Fox can take his 'energetic protest' and take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut. God forbid that we start to enforce the immigration laws. :roll:

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I really feel sorry for these people, but just because they happen to come from a nation on our border does not mean they are entitled to skip out on our immigration laws.
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Is it really so difficult to get citizenship or a green card or something like that?
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For these people? Generally, yes. Mostly because they have to explain what they're doing without papers so far from the border in the first place.
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I read that article yesterday, I really cried crocadile tears for the poor illegals who are afraid to leave their homes. :cry: :roll:

As actual policy though, I am for upping the yearly quota for allowing legal migrants in if they crack down hard on the illegals and the companies who hire them.
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They should fucking put the companies that hire them out of fucking business. :evil: :finger:

A friend's uncle who'd been a trucker for over a decade just lost his job. They came up to him the other day and had the balls to ask him to train his replacement... Who was from Mexico... Who didn't know how to drive a truck. :evil: :evil: :evil:

Needless to say, he told them what to shove, where to shove it and at what angle. Fortunately, the job market's strong for truckers around here right now.
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In Germany, raiding construction sites for illegals is daily business for the police.
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We need to really crack down hard on illegal immigration, but we also need to a) increase the numbere of immigrants we take in, and b) work to improve the conditions of the immgrant's home country
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Andrew J. wrote:Is it really so difficult to get citizenship or a green card or something like that?
Yes. With the ridiculous immigration quotas in place, its virtually impossible to get in the country legally.

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Lazy Raptor wrote:They should fucking put the companies that hire them out of fucking business. :evil: :finger:
Not going to happen. Businesses payroll the Republicans, while Latino advocacy groups fund the Democrats. Illegal immigrants have their bases pretty well covered.
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Why should Latino advocacy groups favor people who are here illegally? And why should race make a cockspit's worth of difference? The problem is, if it's illegal to hire them, they can't bitch about being underpaid. When you can pay them a fraction of minimum wage, American citizens really do lose their jobs. Either make it so they have to be paid minimum wage as well, or get them the fuck out of here.
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HemlockGrey wrote:We need to really crack down hard on illegal immigration, but we also need to a) increase the numbere of immigrants we take in, and b) work to improve the conditions of the immgrant's home country
Why exactly would we need to let even more immigrants in? We already bring in 750,000 a year despite the country having a significant positive population increase without immigration. That is not a small number of people.
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fgalkin wrote:
Andrew J. wrote:Is it really so difficult to get citizenship or a green card or something like that?
Yes. With the ridiculous immigration quotas in place, its virtually impossible to get in the country legally.

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Worse, the way the system is setup, only the very rich can get passports and visas in Mexico.
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Worse, the way the system is setup, only the very rich can get passports and visas in Mexico.
And in Africa the US goverment pays thousands of dollars to bring over and settle randomly selected visa applicants regardless of there job skills, age, health or anything else. The system is utterly fucked up.
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BOO FUCKING HOO

I know someone who had a close friend denied a Visa, even though
they had been in this country last year, and were clearly not a flight
risk, and they're only now starting to clean up the hispanics? Blech.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:We need to really crack down hard on illegal immigration, but we also need to a) increase the numbere of immigrants we take in, and b) work to improve the conditions of the immgrant's home country
Why exactly would we need to let even more immigrants in? We already bring in 750,000 a year despite the country having a significant positive population increase without immigration. That is not a small number of people.
Quite.
Is there any country with more liberal immigration laws than the US?
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Frank Hipper wrote: Is there any country with more liberal immigration laws than the US?
Yes, Canada.
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Why not let people in? If they're getting paid at least the minimum wage, following the laws and not just bumming about on social security, I don't see why we shouldn't let a large number of people in.
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Because your if statements are not reflective of reality.
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Yeah its nice to make remarks about immigration at the turn of the 20th Century, but the modern mostly Mexican immigration into the U.S. is a wholely different animal, as anyone with eyes and a willingness to investigate the last 25-30 years can see.
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Considering that illegal immigrants in California get more government assistance than citizens I think it is ridiculous. I also think the practice of considering people citizens if they are born here to illegal immigrants needs to end, since it is being abused by Mexican immigrants.
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Son of the Suns wrote:I also think the practice of considering people citizens if they are born here to illegal immigrants needs to end, since it is being abused by Mexican immigrants.
We'd have to change the Constitution to end that practice since it says quite plainly if you're born on American soil, you're a citizen.

I favor such a change, but it won't be easy.

Interestingly enough, I recently read about Ireland having a problem with 'tourists' who would come to Ireland just to give birth because Irish law is similar to US law on the issue.
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Knife wrote:As actual policy though, I am for upping the yearly quota for allowing legal migrants in if they crack down hard on the illegals and the companies who hire them.
I would support increasing the quota, too, but that in no way justifies ignoring the existing laws.
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Glocksman wrote: Interestingly enough, I recently read about Ireland having a problem with 'tourists' who would come to Ireland just to give birth because Irish law is similar to US law on the issue.
I believe they recently voted on whether to change that. The result was overwhelmingly in favour.
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