China cracks down on porn

[Joe]

Tyrants!

BEIJING (Reuters) - China has intensified its battle against Internet and mobile phone pornography by threatening distributors with life in prison, Xinhua news agency says.

"Depending on the seriousness of the cases, the sentences range from living under compulsory surveillance, detainment, taking into custody by the police, to various terms of imprisonment and life imprisonment," Xinhua said.

Beijing has stepped up its battle against smut in recent weeks, saying it is worried that the easy access to such material on the Internet and elsewhere will have a bad effect on youth and society.

Under the latest crackdown, which started in July, authorities have shut down hundreds of Web sites and arrested more than 300 people.

The new penalties were laid out on Sunday in guidelines issued by China's Supreme People's Court and the office of the country's top prosecutor, Xinhua said.

A pornographic Web site that had been clicked on more than 250,000 times would be considered a "very severe" case that could warrant a life sentence for its producers, Xinhua said. It did not elaborate.

China's communist rulers have gradually relaxed the puritanical rule they imposed when they swept to power in 1949, but sporadically try to crack down on the sex industry and are particularly nervous about pornography on the Internet.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

As usual, Communist nations try to defy Reality.

[Darth Wong]

Guilt by Association mentality in action again. China associates pornography with "decadent western society", so naturally it's evil.

Remember, running over protesters with tanks = good. Naked chicks on TV = bad

[frigidmagi]

Is it me, or did the Communist and the fundies just find common ground?

Shitty.

Well at least both sides are still convinced that the other is a tool of satan, figurity speaking for the commies of course.

[Stofsk]

Is it me, or did the Communist and the fundies just find common ground?

Communism has always been associated with "Fighting immorality!" which is usually defined as prostitution and drugs, with porno being associated with the former. Both Communism and Fundamentalism seek to limit or restrict or downright control personal freedoms.

[Darth Wong]

Is it me, or did the Communist and the fundies just find common ground?

The seeking of decadent personal pleasure interferes with your sense of profound duty, obligation, and worship to the State or to the Lord. It's the same mentality.

[frigidmagi]

Here I thought they were devoting all their energies from keeping me from thinking new things. You know, must comform or else.

Well learn something new everyday.

[Patrick Degan]

I didn't know China had been taken over by the Republican Party.

[HemlockGrey]

Ironically, Beijing street merchants make a killing on unlicensed Playboy merchandise.

[PainRack]

1984.................. 2004.

[The Legend Rado Tharadus]

I for one think this is a great idea. Women are not objects. They are our mothers our wives and our daughters.

Just out of curiosity, how many of you are have paid for the services of a prositute (or jigalo, whatever takes your fancy )

[The Cleric]

I for one think this is a great idea. Women are not objects. They are our mothers our wives and our daughters.

You, sir, are a fucking idiot.

[Ma Deuce]

I for one think this is a great idea. Women are not objects. They are our mothers our wives and our daughters.

Even if I agreed with your personal views on porn (which I don't), I still would not support this decision. What right does the government have to meddle in the private lives of it's citizens?

[Joe]

I for one think this is a great idea. Women are not objects. They are our mothers our wives and our daughters.

You're into gay porno?

Just out of curiosity, how many of you are have paid for the services of a prositute (or jigalo, whatever takes your fancy )

Why don't you ask your mom?

[The Cleric]

I for one think this is a great idea. Women are not objects. They are our mothers our wives and our daughters.

You're into gay porno?

Just out of curiosity, how many of you are have paid for the services of a prositute (or jigalo, whatever takes your fancy )

Why don't you ask your mom?

Alright Joe, the first one was good, but the second wasn't. Not funny enough. Needs more ZING!!!

[Rye]

I for one think this is a great idea. Women are not objects. They are our mothers our wives and our daughters.

Yeah, let's ban women from athletics too, they're being treated like sports objects!

Just out of curiosity, how many of you are have paid for the services of a prositute (or jigalo, whatever takes your fancy )

No, but I wouldn't judge someone that had; they're probably cheaper than girlfriends. Plus buying somone's body for sex is no different than hiring them for some other physical work, in my opinion.

Oh, and of course, this is an utterly retarded freedom-stomping move by China, which is rather contemptible. Freedom to express yourself sexually, and to watch people have sex doesn't harm anyone.

[salm]

I for one think this is a great idea. Women are not objects. They are our mothers our wives and our daughters.

Just out of curiosity, how many of you are have paid for the services of a prositute (or jigalo, whatever takes your fancy )

people here are not arguing against a ban on porn that depicts women who are forced to be porn actresses.
people are arguing against a ban on porn which depicts women who WANT TO show their body.
why would you want to outlaw someting like that?

[The Legend Rado Tharadus]

Ok I see, so would any of you be against a ban on drugs? After all what business does the evil government have in denying cocaine to a 13 year old kid who just wants to live freely right? Why should anyone be able to deny a mans drug use. Answer me that. Personal freedom is fantastic, but paying money for a women who has been downgraded to the role of "sex object" is wrong in my opinion. You want a girl? Go out and meet one. You already have a girl, but still need to satisfy yourself with porn? Then go get another girl who can satisfy you even further.

You, sir, are a fucking idiot.

Great thanks for your input

You're into gay porno?

No, I'm a one women one family sort of guy.

No, but I wouldn't judge someone that had

Why havent you, whats stopping you?

people are arguing against a ban on porn which depicts women who WANT TO show their body

Let me ask you this. If a 9 year old girl wanted to pose naked for some pedophiles would that be ok in your eyes? The girl would not be harmed or forced. After all she would be willing so there is no harm in it right? Please give me your opinion. I would like to know if you would think this is ok.

[General Zod]

Ok I see, so would any of you be against a ban on drugs? After all what business does the evil government have in denying cocaine to a 13 year old kid who just wants to live freely right? Why should anyone be able to deny a mans drug use. Answer me that. Personal freedom is fantastic, but paying money for a women who has been downgraded to the role of "sex object" is wrong in my opinion. You want a girl? Go out and meet one. You already have a girl, but still need to satisfy yourself with porn? Then go get another girl who can satisfy you even further.

we're not talking about child porno douchebag, we're talking about regularly ran pornography sites made by of age, consenting adults. unlike drugs, there is nothing inherently harmful about porn when all involved are consenting.

Let me ask you this. If a 9 year old girl wanted to pose naked for some pedophiles would that be ok in your eyes? The girl would not be harmed or forced. After all she would be willing so there is no harm in it right? Please give me your opinion. I would like to know if you would think this is ok.

once again, china is cracking down on porn in general, not just child porn. don't be such a fucking moron. yes, child porn is bad and should be done away with. but not all porn.

[Joe]

Ok I see, so would any of you be against a ban on drugs? After all what business does the evil government have in denying cocaine to a 13 year old kid who just wants to live freely right? Why should anyone be able to deny a mans drug use.

False analogy, fuckwit. Drug use is objectively harmful, pornography is not.

Personal freedom is fantastic, but paying money for a women who has been downgraded to the role of "sex object" is wrong in my opinion.

So your problem is not porno, then, but porno that is degrading to women. Great! There's plenty of porno out there that is both extremely hardcore and doesn't degrade women. You should definitely check some out.

[neoolong]

Ok I see, so would any of you be against a ban on drugs? After all what business does the evil government have in denying cocaine to a 13 year old kid who just wants to live freely right? Why should anyone be able to deny a mans drug use.

Since when was a 13 year old considered a man?

Answer me that. Personal freedom is fantastic, but paying money for a women who has been downgraded to the role of "sex object" is wrong in my opinion. You want a girl? Go out and meet one. You already have a girl, but still need to satisfy yourself with porn? Then go get another girl who can satisfy you even further.

So all porn is specifically for guys? There is no porn for couples to watch together?

Let me ask you this. If a 9 year old girl wanted to pose naked for some pedophiles would that be ok in your eyes? The girl would not be harmed or forced.

There's a reason why 9 year olds aren't considered adults. They are not mature enough to make the decision.

After all she would be willing so there is no harm in it right? Please give me your opinion. I would like to know if you would think this is ok.

Why is it that you equate the generic porn with porn that focuses on women and children?

[Joe]

Let me ask you this. If a 9 year old girl wanted to pose naked for some pedophiles would that be ok in your eyes? The girl would not be harmed or forced. After all she would be willing so there is no harm in it right? Please give me your opinion. I would like to know if you would think this is ok.

No, it would not be OK, because the child is not competent to give consent to be filmed/shot in such a way; however, the adult men and women who are filmed in 99 percent of the pornography available out there - the stuff that you want to ban - are.

[Darth Wong]

I love it when anti-porn imbeciles immediately equate porn to pedophilia, drugs, or other harmful activities when challenged to support their knee-jerk reactionary thinking.

I'm a one women one family sort of guy.

So am I. I've been married for 12 years, and we have two kids. We watch porn all the time, together. Got any other dumb arguments?

From your earlier post:

Women are not objects. They are our mothers our wives and our daughters.

People are not objects, yet we pay money to watch movies in which people are blown up, shot, stabbed, set on fire, or drowned for entertainment value. Are you seriously arguing that pornography somehow objectifies or devalues people more than conventional movies do? Why?

Just out of curiosity, how many of you are have paid for the services of a prositute ...

*sniff sniff* ... smells like red herring.

[Rye]

Ok I see, so would any of you be against a ban on drugs? After all what business does the evil government have in denying cocaine to a 13 year old kid who just wants to live freely right?

That's a seperate issue, but by and large 13 year olds are not mature enough to make those sorts of decisions. Personally, I would legalise drugs for recreational use, but taxate and regulate the trade, and punish those not using them responsibly.

Why should anyone be able to deny a mans drug use. Answer me that.

If he doesn't use them responsibly, it's frankly obvious why they should be able to deny said person drug use.

Personal freedom is fantastic, but paying money for a women who has been downgraded to the role of "sex object" is wrong in my opinion.

I guess paying a guy money because he's been downgraded to "brick laying object" is wrong too?

You want a girl? Go out and meet one. You already have a girl, but still need to satisfy yourself with porn? Then go get another girl who can satisfy you even further.

There's no dilemma between being in a sexual relationship and enjoying porn. You're saying that if you still enjoy porn and are married, you should throw the marriage away to bone some chicks?

Why havent you, whats stopping you?

Doesn't hurt anyone.

Let me ask you this. If a 9 year old girl wanted to -blahblahblah-

False analogy, as multiple people have said, which i responded to in the opening reply in this post.

[salm]

Ok I see, so would any of you be against a ban on drugs?

yup. the ban on drugs is wrong. people who want to take drugs and do so in a responsible way (read: dont hurt others) should have every right to do so.

After all what business does the evil government have in denying cocaine to a 13 year old kid who just wants to live freely right?

13 year old are not mature enough. they shouldn´t be allowed to do drugs. just like they shouldn´t be allowed to drive cars.

Why should anyone be able to deny a mans drug use. Answer me that. Personal freedom is fantastic, but paying money for a women who has been downgraded to the role of "sex object" is wrong in my opinion.

she chose to do that job. she´s not downgraded either. you only assume that she´s downgraded. why?

You want a girl? Go out and meet one. You already have a girl, but still need to satisfy yourself with porn? Then go get another girl who can satisfy you even further.

what a load of bullshit. you suggest that looking at port is teh evil but you say that it´s ok to fuck around while having a girlfriend?

Let me ask you this. If a 9 year old girl wanted to pose naked for some pedophiles would that be ok in your eyes? The girl would not be harmed or forced. After all she would be willing so there is no harm in it right? Please give me your opinion. I would like to know if you would think this is ok.

let me ask you this. if a 18 year old girl is allowed to get a drivers licence is it then also allowed for a 9 year old girl to get a drivers licence?