Do evangelicals not worry about debt?

[Darth Wong]

It just occurred to me that since evangelicals fervently believe the Rapture is coming within their lifetimes (just try asking one; they're dead serious about this), this might explain why they don't give a shit about George W. Bush deficit-spending his way to glory. They literally expect to be teleported out of the national debt.

What do you think?

[Gandalf]

Do these guys get out of paying taxes?

Because if they don't have to pay for it, then why would they care?

[Darth Wong]

Do these guys get out of paying taxes?

Because if they don't have to pay for it, then why would they care?

They have to pay tax, but if you can just put it off far enough in the future, they figure they'll be out of here by then so it doesn't matter. That's why they're taxing low and spending high. It's like the way you might act with your credit card if you knew for sure that you were going to die in six days.

[Iceberg]

It just occurred to me that since evangelicals fervently believe the Rapture is coming within their lifetimes (just try asking one; they're dead serious about this), this might explain why they don't give a shit about George W. Bush deficit-spending his way to glory. They literally expect to be teleported out of the national debt.

What do you think?

Not only is the so-called Rapture bad politics, it's bad religion, too (Hmm, I think I need some new CDs). The Rapture has no basis in the Book of Revelation - actually, Revelation says that God will come and take those who are faithful, AFTER the seven years of shit happen.

The priest I had in high school said that Rapture theology is the theology of people who have absolutely no ability to take responsibility for themselves.

... please, spare me any jokes here.

[Gandalf]

They have to pay tax, but if you can just put it off far enough in the future, they figure they'll be out of here by then so it doesn't matter. That's why they're taxing low and spending high. It's like the way you might act with your credit card if you knew for sure that you were going to die in six days.

Ah, makes for an interesting theory then.

Could another nation ever call in the debt owed to them?

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Could another nation ever call in the debt owed to them?

No. It's simply impossible to collect any money whatsoever when a powerful country defaults on their loans. That's not a new thing, either--Spain was declared bankrupt three times during the rule of Philip II in the Sixteenth Century, and again in 1647 in the 17th century. They were still able to get loans and they were still able to hold onto their colonial empire for a hundred and fifty years after that four bankruptcy. States are actually horribly bad things to lend to in the long run, but the short-term profits make it worthwhile.

[MKSheppard]

What do you think?

I think you need to lay down the crack pipe and stop blaiming T3H EVAL FUNDIES RAR! for Kerry's asstomping on Tuesday.

[Darth Wong]

What do you think?

I think you need to lay down the crack pipe and stop blaiming T3H EVAL FUNDIES RAR! for Kerry's asstomping on Tuesday.

Do I need to remind you of the fascinating coincidence between the layout of red and blue states and the geographical distribution of fundies again? Stop being a useless sophistic tit. You can only absolve the Bush Administration of pandering to fundies if you simply deny reality.

[MKSheppard]

Do I need to remind you of the fascinating coincidence between the layout of red and blue states and the geographical distribution of fundies again?

*sigh*

I can see the meme that will be shouted from the rooftops for the next
four years is not "He was elected by a 5-4 vote!" but "RAR! T3H
EVAL FUNDIES STOLE JOHN KERRY OF HIS VICTOLY! RAR! I'M SO
ANNOYED AT THOSE BACKWARDS HICKS IN THE RED STATES RAR!"

Seriously, it was because John Kerry ran the most
incompetent campaign in recent memory, not because of
some mass outturn of T3H EVAL FUNDIES!

Need I remind you that the Democrat voter base was as
equally charged up for this election, and that there are lots
of people in the blue states?

If Kerry had picked Gephardt, he'd have probably stolen enough
votes from the AFL-CIO voters all over the country, that we'd
be seeing the recount to end all recounts. Instead, he picked
a trial lawyer, someone who brings nothing at all to the ticket.

[HemlockGrey]

Wasn't there some crackpot Reagan appointee who said that it was ok to screw over the enviroment because the Rapture was coming?

[Patrick Degan]

Wasn't there some crackpot Reagan appointee who said that it was ok to screw over the enviroment because the Rapture was coming?

James Watt —Reagan's Secretary of the Interior, in fact.

[Patrick Degan]

What do you think?

I think you need to lay down the crack pipe and stop blaiming T3H EVAL FUNDIES RAR! for Kerry's asstomping on Tuesday.

First, you lay down your own crack pipe which has you convinced that a 1-2% margin of victory for Bush constitutes "an ass-stomping".

[Darth Wong]

I can see the meme that will be shouted from the rooftops for the next four years is not "He was elected by a 5-4 vote!" but "RAR! T3H EVAL FUNDIES STOLE JOHN KERRY OF HIS VICTOLY! RAR! I'M SO ANNOYED AT THOSE BACKWARDS HICKS IN THE RED STATES RAR!"

How is it a "meme", dumb-shit? Exit polling revealed that "moral values" were a HUGE contributor to the Bush win, you idiot. All you can do is mock it without refuting it.

Need I remind you that the Democrat voter base was as equally charged up for this election, and that there are lots of people in the blue states?

So? They're not fundie idiots. The fundies voted for "moral values".

[Elfdart]

Fundies hate the human body, women, Jews (or the "New York/ Hollywood elites" as they call them) and fags. That comes before anything else. The Bible says people aren't supposed to be debtors and all sorts of other things the fundies give maybe one-tenth of a shit about. But bashing those who are different comes first.

I think the Dems should do to fundies what Republicans have done to blacks and gays: demonize them, scapegoat them and try to suppress their votes. If the courts are going to decide that goons can hassle old black ladies at the polls, do the same to the bible-thumpers. Get a list of the new registers and make a challenge list. When they whine and complain, remind them that payback's a bitch, just like Lynne Cheney.

[MKSheppard]

First, you lay down your own crack pipe which has you convinced that a 1-2% margin of victory for Bush constitutes "an ass-stomping".

First majority elected President since 1988, Degan.

[MKSheppard]

So? They're not fundie idiots. The fundies voted for "moral values".

Need I remind you that the Democrats have traditionally relied on black churches to help them. But I guess that doesn't count, since they vote
the right way.

It's entirely possibul that Bush stole the Democrat's own fundie vote away from them, under which I do conceede that Fundies DID decide the election,
just not the way you imagine.

[MKSheppard]

I think the Dems should do to fundies what Republicans have done to blacks and gays: demonize them, scapegoat them and try to suppress their votes. If the courts are going to decide that goons can hassle old black ladies at the polls, do the same to the bible-thumpers..

Linky


I was a lawyer for bush.

For the first time in many years we had observers in the inner city polls. When they arrived the black churches had people actually at the booths supervising the voters to make sure they voted the right way.

We put a stop to it.

We also closely watched the books to make sure only legal voters voted. The new poll workers, who had been chosen by the city based on their being at a SEIU dem phone bank (no shit) had to be brought in because the city employees first manning the polls didn't know how to actually check the voter lists and ID lawful voters (they had NEVER done so before), so the city people walked off the job when we started watching.

[Patrick Degan]

First, you lay down your own crack pipe which has you convinced that a 1-2% margin of victory for Bush constitutes "an ass-stomping".

First majority elected President since 1988, Degan.

Nice, but that doesn't negate the fact that Bush's margin of victory was still exceedingly narrow no matter how you wish to cut it.

[SirNitram]

'Wah! Wah! Stop persecuting the Republicans for being bible humpers!' Really, I'd expect this from ConservativeUnderground, but not a regular of SDnet.

[theski]

'Wah! Wah! Stop persecuting the Republicans for being bible humpers!' Really, I'd expect this from ConservativeUnderground, but not a regular of SDnet.

Smart ass...

[Elfdart]

I think the Dems should do to fundies what Republicans have done to blacks and gays: demonize them, scapegoat them and try to suppress their votes. If the courts are going to decide that goons can hassle old black ladies at the polls, do the same to the bible-thumpers..

Linky


I was a lawyer for bush.

For the first time in many years we had observers in the inner city polls. When they arrived the black churches had people actually at the booths supervising the voters to make sure they voted the right way.

We put a stop to it.

We also closely watched the books to make sure only legal voters voted. The new poll workers, who had been chosen by the city based on their being at a SEIU dem phone bank (no shit) had to be brought in because the city employees first manning the polls didn't know how to actually check the voter lists and ID lawful voters (they had NEVER done so before), so the city people walked off the job when we started watching.

An anecdote from a gun nut website. I'm impressed.

But let's assume for the sake of argument that people were being helped with their ballots. If the voter asks for help with reading the ballot, there's nothing illegal or wrong with it. My girlfriend's dad is legally blind, so she helped him with his ballot. The only ways such help would be wrong are (a) if the voter didn't ask and the helper was sticking his nose in where it didn't belong (b) if the helper was misrepresenting the ballot "I know it looks like you voted for Kerry, but you checked the box to vote for Bush. Honest." or (c) these helpers are disrupting things for other voters. There are a lot of elderly and disabled people who are physically unable to fill out a ballot, so it's not surprising that they would have people help them cast votes.

On the other hand, you have the full force Ku Kluxing of the vote in Florida -again in which tens of thousands of eligible voters were illegally removed from the rolls. Since the courts and the media don't have a problem with that, it's time for hack Democratic politicians to return the favor by doing the same to the fundies.

[Elfdart]

First, you lay down your own crack pipe which has you convinced that a 1-2% margin of victory for Bush constitutes "an ass-stomping".

First majority elected President since 1988, Degan.

Mechanical bulls were popular for a while, too.

[Darth Wong]

So? They're not fundie idiots. The fundies voted for "moral values".

Need I remind you that the Democrats have traditionally relied on black churches to help them. But I guess that doesn't count, since they vote the right way.

Democrats "traditionally" pandered to them. So what? History is for history class, not for current events discussions. Got any more useless and stupid red-herrings to post in lieu of actual rebuttals of the simple and undeniable fact that the Republicans won this election by pandering to fundie narrow-minded idiocy?

[Durandal]

Remember everyone, Karl Rove didn't specifically target 4 million evangelical Christian votes.

[Enforcer Talen]

iirc, evangelicals dont care much about the environment either, cuz that will be gone when they are raptured as well.

good times.