DU already claiming Iraqi election fraud

[Rogue 9]

+http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... id=1196550

Surprise surprise.

[Master of Ossus]

Democratic Underground members ran around for MONTHS after the elections here trying to make a statistical case for fraud with the most amateurish attempts to impersonate statisticians I have ever seen. Some of these people are literally so divorced from reality that they cannot conceive of anything outside of their own worldview, and like the Euclidean geometers in a non-Euclidean world they have no recourse but to rebuke the lines for not remaining straight.

[Rogue 9]

+http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 04x3029263

All the media keeps talking about is how happy the Iraqis are, how high turnout was, and how "freedom" has spread to Iraq. I had to turn off CNN because they kept focusing on the so-called "voters" and barely mentioned the resistance movements at all. Where are the freedom fighters today? Are their voices silenced because some American puppets cast a few ballots?

I can't believe the Iraqis are buying into this "democracy" bullshit. They have to know that the Americans don't want them to have power, because they know that Bush is in this for the oil, and now that he finally has it he's not going to let it go. This election is a charade. The fact is that the Iraqis have suffered during the past two years more than any people on earth at the hands of the American gestapo. Maybe they're afraid and felt they had to vote. That's the only way I can explain it to myself.

OR--I just thought of this--maybe they're smiling because they're using the Americans own game to defeat them. They're voting in candidates who they know will widen the resistance, take the fight to the streets, and finally drive the occupying forces out of their country. Perhaps they're smiling because--right under the American's noses--they're planting the seeds of a bigger and more effective resistance movement. Wouldn't that be fitting? Use *'s own tools against them?

We can only pray that this is the case. Becuase if it's not--and if the Iraq vote is seen as a success that spread "freedom"--the world is screwed. Bush's inaugural speech left little doubt that he has other countries on his list to spread "freedom" to. They will be his next targets, and the world will burn because of it.

Let's hope the resistance got voted in, or if not, they only increase the fight and take down those who betrayed their country today by voting in this fraud election.

Erm... What. The. Hell. [/quote]

[Lord Zentei]

Ah, so they think that democracy is "bullshit" and three fifths of the electorate represents "some American puppets" casting "a few ballots" and "betraying their country".

Un-fucking-beleivable.

Let's hope the resistance got voted in, or if not, they only increase the fight and take down those who betrayed their country today by voting in this fraud election.

Ah, anything but democracy brought by the Evil Empire. Yes folks, Al-Quaeda's vision of the future is far preferable. Assholes.

[CJvR]

Not surprising, the rabid leftists aren't democrats themselves so elections are unlikely to impress them. Rabid US-haters have been looking forward to a second Vietnam and getting a politicaly legitemate Iraqi goverment do not fit into those plans. There are many who are quite willing to fight to the last Iraqi simply to resist the US.

[CJvR]

Let's hope the resistance got voted in, or if not, they only increase the fight and take down those who betrayed their country today by voting in this fraud election.

LOL! Even if all the murderous scum turned out to vote they would probably not amount to more than a rounding error, and half of them would not be allowed to vote anyway - not Iraqi citizens...
The myth of the mass rebellion against the evil empire has little to do with reality, but then neither have these confused individuals.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Why should we listen to a site that has a reputation of perfecting the stupid gene?

[CJvR]

Why should we listen to a site that has a reputation of perfecting the stupid gene?

Entertainment?

[CaptainChewbacca]

God, its bad in there. They're saying that although 72% may have voted, they got from somewhere that its 72% of registered voters, which ammount to only 10% of the voting population.

I like this gem:

10% of those eligible to register in the US actually registered.

Now, if merely 10% registered to vote here, the percentage in the violent environment of Iraq is likely even lower.

If merely 7 out of 10 Iraqis in the US voted, imagine how few voted in war-torn Iraq.

When someone reasonably argued that you couldn't assume Iraqi/US turnout was higher than Iraqi turnout because Iraqi-Americans are further removed from their homeland, he said:

So, your assumption that a higher % of individauls voted in Iraq,... ,...is somehow a more reasonable, fact-based assumption than mine?

Okay. That's fine. I'll stand by my assumption that the violent environment and destroyed infrastructure in Iraq likely resulted in an even lower % of individuals casting a vote.

I'll also stand by my characterization of voting for 7,000 unnamed candidates as something more akin to a lotto pick than a "vote".

I'm positively convinced that these folks wouldn't be happy unless a nuke went off in Champion Base and killed all the US soldiers, thereby proving we shouldn't have gone.

[CaptainChewbacca]

And from the appropriately named "Patsified":

Even if all the Iraqis in the world are jumping up and down and clapping and dancing and crying for joy; even if there were really and truly 100% turnout for this election; even if the winner of this election were truly the choice to represent the majority of all Iraqis:

Was this worth destroying the United States of America? Was this worth sending our nation tumbling into the toilet? Was this worth destroying our reputation and the worth of our word in the world? Were the lies worth it? Was this worth the billions and billions of dollars emptied from our nation's treasury? Was the enrichment of Halliburton and the Carlyle Group worth it? Was this worth the bloodshed of soldiers and of innocents? Was it worth losing your arms, little Ali? Was there NO OTHER WAY to have achieved this? Am I supposed to jump up and down and clap and dance and cry for joy that MY nation has been turned into a shitpile and everyone in the world hates MY nation now? There is no democracy here in America, but I am supposed to be overwhelmed with good cheer that it exists for the Iraqis?

I can't think of a single cause outside of the borders of my country that would be worth destroying my country for. And that's what has happened, I don't care how happy the Iraqis are. I mourn what my country has become, and I am bitter because I know what she could have been. So I'm sorry if I can't join in the joy today.

Apparently these elections are the death knell of the US. Drama much?

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

Well, it appears that there are even counterparts to Republicans who call all leftists treasonous. *Ann Coulter*

The difference is, our rabid morons aren't mainstream, thank god.

*reads site* Ah. So they're all anarchists. That explains it.

[Vympel]

Say what you like about DU's forum denizens, it's weekly top-10 conservative idiot page is always hilarious.

[Col. Crackpot]

Well, it appears that there are even counterparts to Republicans who call all leftists treasonous. *Ann Coulter*

The difference is, our rabid morons aren't mainstream, thank god.

*reads site* Ah. So they're all anarchists. That explains it.

As a conservative myself, i would hardly consider Ann Coulter maintream.

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

Well, it appears that there are even counterparts to Republicans who call all leftists treasonous. *Ann Coulter*

The difference is, our rabid morons aren't mainstream, thank god.

*reads site* Ah. So they're all anarchists. That explains it.

As a conservative myself, i would hardly consider Ann Coulter maintream.

She has her own show, she's a best-selling author, and she's known everwhere. But then again, by mainstream, I meant... Big personalities, or something to that effect.

[Stormbringer]

She has her own show, she's a best-selling author, and she's known everwhere. But then again, by mainstream, I meant... Big personalities, or something to that effect.

You could have said the same of Bill Marher before he self-destructed his career. He's still going to strong for that matter. It doesn't translate into major influence or "mainstream."

[Darth Wong]

She has her own show, she's a best-selling author, and she's known everwhere. But then again, by mainstream, I meant... Big personalities, or something to that effect.

You could have said the same of Bill Marher before he self-destructed his career. He's still going to strong for that matter. It doesn't translate into major influence or "mainstream."

Maher was never as big as Coulter. He was a pretty big jack-ass too, though. I still remember him ranting about how drunk-driving charges were unreasonable ... after he had been caught drinking and driving. Most people at least try to cover up their material interests when they rant about a political issue.

[Joe]

Maher had a late-night TV show that lasted 4 years on Comedy Central and 5 years on ABC. Coulter has had no such thing, though, interestingly, she was actually a frequent guest on his show and that's one of the reasons she became popular.

[Darth Wong]

Maher had a late-night TV show that lasted 4 years on Comedy Central and 5 years on ABC. Coulter has had no such thing, though, interestingly, she was actually a frequent guest on his show and that's one of the reasons she became popular.

Maher didn't have best-sellers to his credit though, and let's face it: getting a late-night cable show is not exactly a huge coup for someone in the entertainment industry. He had that gig because he was a comedian, not because he was considered a "political commentator".

[Col. Crackpot]

Maher didn't have best-sellers to his credit though, and let's face it: getting a late-night cable show is not exactly a huge coup for someone in the entertainment industry. He had that gig because he was a comedian, not because he was considered a "political commentator".

L. Ron Hubbard sold a slew of bestsellers, fuck how many millions of copies of Dianetics are in print? Does that make him mainstream?

Noam Chompsky has sold millions of books and pamphlets, does that make him mainstream?

[Darth Wong]

Maher didn't have best-sellers to his credit though, and let's face it: getting a late-night cable show is not exactly a huge coup for someone in the entertainment industry. He had that gig because he was a comedian, not because he was considered a "political commentator".

L. Ron Hubbard sold a slew of bestsellers, fuck how many millions of copies of Dianetics are in print? Does that make him mainstream?

It makes him a big player in the particular market segment his books occupy. Since it's not politics, this is not relevant.

Noam Chompsky has sold millions of books and pamphlets, does that make him mainstream?

Since you can't get into a political debate without someone quoting or citing him sooner or later, arguably yes. He's not as much of a psychopath as Coulter, though. He's just an idealogue.

[Joe]

No, getting a late-night slot on Comedy Central isn't a huge coup for a comedian, but getting a late night show on a major network in a slot that competes with both The Late Show and The Tonight Show certainly is.

[Darth Wong]

No, getting a late-night slot on Comedy Central isn't a huge coup for a comedian, but getting a late night show on a major network in a slot that competes with both The Late Show and The Tonight Show certainly is.

Nevertheless, he got the gig as a comedian, not a political commentator.

[Col. Crackpot]

before we go much further, we really should agree on a definition for "mainstream" and what context we are using it in.

Are we arguing over whether or not Ann Coulter is in the political mainstream, or if she is a mainstream conservative. There is a hell of a lot of difference there. While an argument can be made that she could represent 'mainstream conservatism' (a notion that I, as a moderate conservative i disagree with), it is pretty damn impossible to classify her as mainstream in the overall American political spectrum.

[Darth Wong]

before we go much further, we really should agree on a definition for "mainstream" and what context we are using it in.

Are we arguing over whether or not Ann Coulter is in the political mainstream, or if she is a mainstream conservative. There is a hell of a lot of difference there. While an argument can be made that she could represent 'mainstream conservatism' (a notion that I, as a moderate conservative i disagree with), it is pretty damn impossible to classify her as mainstream in the overall American political spectrum.

She is "mainstream" in the sense that she is a household name and "normal" conservatives all over the country (although particularly in rural communities, I suspect) routinely echo the things that come out of her hateful little mouth. She essentially puts region-neutral diction on the American redneck political movement.

[CJvR]

More agony, 94% of all registered Iraqi voters here in Sweden actually cast a vote.