Medal of Honor Memorial defaced

[Ory'hara]

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S= ... v=9TahY28g

Glass panels on the monument were smashed early Tuesday morning. Obscene words about President Bush and Gov. Daniels, along with peace symbols were spray-painted on canal walls.

[Shroom Man 777]

This ain't no joke? Fucking assholes peacenicks.

[Ory'hara]

This ain't no joke? Fucking assholes peacenicks.

No, not a April Fool's joke, just didn't get put up in the past two days.

[That NOS Guy]

What the fuck is the point of this?

"Ha! I'm expressing my freedom of speech by defacing my nations proudest moments!"

[Julhelm]

Society should teach these assholes to show some respect.

[Jason von Evil]

Those fuckers should be disemboweled and set ablaze, while still alive.

[Rogue 9]

*Sharpens Justitia.* These bastages have a lot to answer for.

[Sharpshooter]

Ugh - say what you will about the fucked-up administration, but leave the armed forces out of it. They're just doing their job, and some made the ultimate sacrifice in doing so - and you cowardly little pricks, who I bet wouldn't have the gall to take up arms in a time of need, go and spit in their faces.

::Pulls out marker and scribbles furiously::

You want to protest something, protest Bush - he's right here, on the end of my baseball bat.

[Guardsman Bass]

Perhaps it is time for a lynching.

[Nick Lancaster]

You want to protest the war, fine.

Vandalism doesn't do anything but get people pissed off, and it makes you look like a punk who needs a serious bitch-slapping.

Bear in mind that the veterans of past wars include our fathers, our uncles, our grandfathers. What have you sacrificed lately, Mr. Protester?

For all that he wanted to be the 'War President,' for all his pimping and primping on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln, when it came down to the wire, then 'Lieutenant Bush' can't even remember if he showed up. In fact, almost nobody has said, "I remember him." (Yet there were tons of guys who claimed to have served/known John Kerry and could weigh in on his merits.)

That's Bush. It's not the military at large, it's not even the National Guard.

Don't spit on the men who went the distance.

[SPOOFE]

The fucks that did this were probably the same brain-dead jackasses that were too busy getting drunk and trying to score with girls to go try to vote Bush out of office.

[Jadeite]

Arrest made in memorial attack
Police skeptical of Danville teen's story that damage to heroes display was accident.

By Terry Horne
terry.horne@indystar.com
April 9, 2005


An informer's tip led to the arrest Friday of a Danville man in last month's vandalism of the Medal of Honor Memorial in White River State Park.

Joshua M. Miner, 18, was charged with criminal mischief after surrendering at the Marion County Arrestee Processing Center.

Miner contended he accidentally cracked the memorial while tossing rocks, and he offered to pay for the damage, according to court records.

State Police are skeptical of his explanation.

An engineer for the company that designed the memorial's name-bearing glass panels told Sgt. Scott L. Alexander that a heavier object would have had to have been used to cause the damage, according to court records.

Police, however, do believe Miner's claim that neither he nor the friends with him on March 29 spray-painted the graffiti also found on the monument.

"We believe that a whole different person or persons, separate from that group, was responsible for the painting," 1st Sgt. David Bursten said.

Two of the monument's 200-pound, inch-thick glass panels were damaged in the attack. The IPALCO Foundation, which maintains the memorial, has estimated that repairs might cost $8,000 to $10,000.

"I don't think we'll know until they redo the two panels," said Susan Hanafee, a volunteer foundation board member.

The graffiti turned out to be a far simpler, less costly repair.

Obscenities targeting Gov. Mitch Daniels and President Bush and other messages had been sprayed on the walls surrounding the memorial, and officials initially thought sand-blasting might be necessary.

But, Hanafee said, a restoration company, Indiana Restoration Services, called and said, "Don't sand-blast."

The paint came off nicely with baking soda, Hanafee said.

The tip leading to Miner's arrest came from a Plainfield resident who called Alexander after the vandalism and a $10,000 reward were extensively publicized.

The tipster told Alexander that Miner and five friends had been walking along the Downtown Canal in the park and throwing rocks into the water. Alexander interviewed one member of the group who said they never intended to destroy any property.

The group had stopped to read names on the memorial. Miner said he then let fly a handful of rocks in his pocket.

One struck the glass plate, and he "freaked out." He got scared and fled, he told Alexander.

Bursten said the tipster would be eligible for the $10,000 reward if Miner is convicted.

Hanafee said she was heartened by the community's reaction to the vandalism.

Two veterans groups and some individuals have contributed about $11,500.

Any money remaining after repairs will be used toward maintaining and providing security for the memorial, a $150,000 annual expense, she said.

"Maybe this individual (will) meet some of the Medal of Honor recipients so he can better understand what this memorial stands for and why people were so upset."

[Jadeite]

Shit, apparently hit a keyboard command that submitted it before I could add the link.
http://www2.indystar.com/articles/2/235 ... 2-009.html

Interesting that police think it was two seperate groups that vandalized it.

[Pick]

God fucking damn it. The radicals give pacifists like me a bad fucking name. Jerkoffs.

[Joe]

They deserve to be shot.

[Shinova]

Huh, to advocate peace these people go ahead and deface and destroy.


Hypo---------critics.

[Chmee]

Since we've had plenty of people jerking their knees to blame 'peaceniks,' I'll kneejerk the other side.

Musta been a Republican dirty-tricks squad .... I say interrogate G. Gordon Liddy immediately. Use the old bologna-on-the-genitals and Dobermans approach.

Well .... maybe it wasn't him, but I'd still like to see Gordon go through the bologna & Dobermans treatment on general principles.

[Rogue 9]

Huh, to advocate peace these people go ahead and deface and destroy.


Hypo---------critics.

You mean like this?



You see hypocrisy a lot in the anti-war movement.

[Chmee]

Huh, to advocate peace these people go ahead and deface and destroy.


Hypo---------critics.

You mean like this?

Dammit...no quoting pics

You see hypocrisy a lot in the anti-war movement.

You see it in every 'movement' .... nothing is more hypocritical than trumpeting the need to give people 'freedom' when you're killing them by the thousands in air raids. I guess in some sick sense you could say the dead are now 'free,' but it's probably little consolation to their loved ones.

When you put ideology above principle, hypocrisy becomes your way of life ... regardless of the ideology.

[Rogue 9]

Huh, to advocate peace these people go ahead and deface and destroy.


Hypo---------critics.

You mean like this?

<SNIP THE DAMNED PIC>

You see hypocrisy a lot in the anti-war movement.

You see it in every 'movement' .... nothing is more hypocritical than trumpeting the need to give people 'freedom' when you're killing them by the thousands in air raids. I guess in some sick sense you could say the dead are now 'free,' but it's probably little consolation to their loved ones.

When you put ideology above principle, hypocrisy becomes your way of life ... regardless of the ideology.

What air raid since World War 2 or possibly Operation Linebacker has killed thousands?

[Chmee]

You mean like this?

<SNIP THE DAMNED PIC>

You see hypocrisy a lot in the anti-war movement.

You see it in every 'movement' .... nothing is more hypocritical than trumpeting the need to give people 'freedom' when you're killing them by the thousands in air raids. I guess in some sick sense you could say the dead are now 'free,' but it's probably little consolation to their loved ones.

When you put ideology above principle, hypocrisy becomes your way of life ... regardless of the ideology.

What air raid since World War 2 or possibly Operation Linebacker has killed thousands?

Did I say it was a single air raid? That 's' at the end of the word implies the plural. Every independent analysis of the civilian casualty count in the Iraq War puts the count in the thousands.

[Rogue 9]

You see it in every 'movement' .... nothing is more hypocritical than trumpeting the need to give people 'freedom' when you're killing them by the thousands in air raids. I guess in some sick sense you could say the dead are now 'free,' but it's probably little consolation to their loved ones.

When you put ideology above principle, hypocrisy becomes your way of life ... regardless of the ideology.

What air raid since World War 2 or possibly Operation Linebacker has killed thousands?

Did I say it was a single air raid? That 's' at the end of the word implies the plural. Every independent analysis of the civilian casualty count in the Iraq War puts the count in the thousands.

Millions died in the Second World War, but would anyone argue that Western Europe was not liberated despite that fact? Body counts are not a measure of liberation or lack thereof. And the Iraq War has one of the lowest body counts in the history of warfare.

[Chmee]

What air raid since World War 2 or possibly Operation Linebacker has killed thousands?

Did I say it was a single air raid? That 's' at the end of the word implies the plural. Every independent analysis of the civilian casualty count in the Iraq War puts the count in the thousands.

Millions died in the Second World War, but would anyone argue that Western Europe was not liberated despite that fact? Body counts are not a measure of liberation or lack thereof. And the Iraq War has one of the lowest body counts in the history of warfare.

Apples & oranges ... hell, apples & protozoa .... the 'liberation' argument was slightly relevant to removing Iraq from Kuwait, but it ended there.

As for the 'lowest body counts,' I'm not particularly persuaded that the mass murder of thousands is okay because it's not the mass murder of tens of thousands.

Anyway, all of that is far afield of the issue of hypocrisy ... which starts at the top:

[weemadando]

I hate it when people deface anything to make a point, moreso when its something so important as a monument to remember those who made the ultimate sacrifice or were willing to.

Moreso I hate hypocrisy. Morons should never EVER say that the military is at fault for what is happening in Iraq. Look higher up the food chain.

[Rogue 9]

Did I say it was a single air raid? That 's' at the end of the word implies the plural. Every independent analysis of the civilian casualty count in the Iraq War puts the count in the thousands.

Millions died in the Second World War, but would anyone argue that Western Europe was not liberated despite that fact? Body counts are not a measure of liberation or lack thereof. And the Iraq War has one of the lowest body counts in the history of warfare.

Apples & oranges ... hell, apples & protozoa .... the 'liberation' argument was slightly relevant to removing Iraq from Kuwait, but it ended there.

As for the 'lowest body counts,' I'm not particularly persuaded that the mass murder of thousands is okay because it's not the mass murder of tens of thousands.

Anyway, all of that is far afield of the issue of hypocrisy ... which starts at the top:

1.) Why the hell are we even talking about this? The subject was the protesters/vandalists.

2.) It's not "mass murder," given that a shitload of the civilians who die are actively fighting against the Army (aka they are in the insurgency) or were accidentally caught in the line of fire. This doesn't make their deaths any less tragic or horrible, but it does make it not deliberate murder. Unlike, say, this: