Infants with terrorist names forbidden flying

Lord of the Abyss · Post by **Lord of the Abyss** » 2005-08-16 03:23am

ABC News wrote:WASHINGTON Aug 15, 2005 — Infants have been stopped from boarding planes at airports throughout the U.S. because their names are the same as or similar to those of possible terrorists on the government's "no-fly list."

It sounds like a joke, but it's not funny to parents who miss flights while scrambling to have babies' passports and other documents faxed.

Ingrid Sanden's 1-year-old daughter was stopped in Phoenix before boarding a flight home to Washington at Thanksgiving.

Am I supposed to believe these kind of intellectual giants are going to outwit Al-Quaeda agents ? We spend all this money on "homeland security" and we can't even get people with the common sense of a brain damaged chimp ? I swear, anything this administration sets up is garbage.

Erik von Nein · Post by **Erik von Nein** » 2005-08-16 03:33am

Uh, the lists and the associated problems with them were around before 9.11 and the TSA screeners.

Besides, what are they supposed to do? They've got a name they're not supposed to let on and no idea what the person who registered looks like.

Post by **Broomstick** » 2005-08-16 06:30am

Fucking bureaucratic mindset. We have to follow "procedure" even when it makes no sense whatsoever. A six month old infant can't be a terrorist.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-08-16 06:41am

Broomstick wrote:Fucking bureaucratic mindset. We have to follow "procedure" even when it makes no sense whatsoever. A six month old infant can't be a terrorist.

That's what they want you to beleive.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-08-16 06:49am

Broomstick wrote:

Fucking bureaucratic mindset. We have to follow "procedure" even when it makes no sense whatsoever. A six month old infant can't be a terrorist.

I find you'd probably be greeted with excuses piled on excuses if you told these cretins to use common sense along with the guidelines rather than reading them as de facto rules for every situation. It oozes bone idleness and simple stupidity more than anything.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-16 07:29am

Okay...

I immediately imagine the idiot cop from VGCats in a bearaucratic suit at the Airport... quite literallly

Who the fuck hires people this stupid?!

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-08-16 07:35am

The US gov't are the world's largst employer of such people, equal opportunities and all.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-16 07:40am

The US gov't are the world's largst employer of such people, equal opportunities and all.

It's the same in britain unfortunately... but I don't think anybody is going to stop a kid from flying because their names are on a list.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2005-08-16 09:36am

No child left behind, you say? Unless they sound like a terrorist. I hate people that abide by rules pointlessly, they need to watch 24.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2005-08-16 09:44am

Dakarne wrote:Who the fuck hires people this stupid?!

This is the US, where the guys screening you at the airport today were flipping burgers at McDonalds 2 weeks ago because they were too dumb to get any other job.

This is why I'm never flying into the US again if I can help it.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-16 10:06am

I'm glad that I'm not an American, no offense intended, because I wouldn't like to live in a country which hires people incapable of independent thought.

I can't imagine that these people actually know the meaning of a real blacklist. I mean: Who bans a child from travelling because they share names with a 17+ year old TERRORIST...

Fucking idiots.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-08-16 10:17am

Dakarne wrote:I'm glad that I'm not an American, no offense intended, because I wouldn't like to live in a country which hires people incapable of independent thought.

I can't imagine that these people actually know the meaning of a real blacklist. I mean: Who bans a child from travelling because they share names with a 17+ year old TERRORIST...

Fucking idiots.

Right, because burecratic stupidity is the province of America alone...I mean not more then one of your posts ago you said Britain does the same thing.

Are you going to make a point beyond spamming and me-tooing?

As for this latest, nothing more can be said then what has been. It stupid and asinine.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-16 10:27am

...I mean not more then one of your posts ago you said Britain does the same thing.

Not to the exact same extent... I mean, with corporate companies maybe they do hire idiots, but with government ran companies and security, they wouldn't stop a child from boarding a plane, at least, I've never encountered anyone stupid enough to do so...

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-08-16 10:38am

Dakarne wrote:
...I mean not more then one of your posts ago you said Britain does the same thing.
Not to the exact same extent... I mean, with corporate companies maybe they do hire idiots, but with government ran companies and security, they wouldn't stop a child from boarding a plane, at least, I've never encountered anyone stupid enough to do so...

You are a fucking idiot, aren't you?

I'm not stating anything in regard to the thought of this policy isn't one of the dumbest profilings instead I'm slamming you because of the first part, and add to it, something you have not given one piece of any substationated thought beyond "I'll me-too!"

Let's see in your above post you added an additional agreement with Valdemar's point that the reason this idiocy happens is because of hiring of morons, then you added that Britain was unlikely to have enforced or made this particular clause.

No one disagrees with you, that is not what I am hitting your moronic ass for. The first statement is what I am saying is nothing more then Spamming and me-too nonsense.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2005-08-16 11:04am

Dakarne wrote:
...I mean not more then one of your posts ago you said Britain does the same thing.
Not to the exact same extent... I mean, with corporate companies maybe they do hire idiots, but with government ran companies and security, they wouldn't stop a child from boarding a plane, at least, I've never encountered anyone stupid enough to do so...

Do you ever form an opinion of your own? Or is everything you say here dictated by what the poster directly before you said?

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-16 11:16am

Do you ever form an opinion of your own? Or is everything you say here dictated by what the poster directly before you said?

Apparently my opinion that Vader's neck apparatus was a Neural Adaptor of some sort which allowed him to use his artificial limbs, (supported by the fact that Luke felt an electrical crackling in the back of his neck when messing with his own in one of the EU Books, he was also on a planet with Ysalamiri, so the force doesn't factor) wasn't considered to be valid.

Zed Snardbody · Post by **Zed Snardbody** » 2005-08-16 11:17am

Lord Zentei wrote:
Broomstick wrote:Fucking bureaucratic mindset. We have to follow "procedure" even when it makes no sense whatsoever. A six month old infant can't be a terrorist.
That's what they want you to beleive.

"The enemy may be unscrupulous, but they are not masters of disguise"

Lewis Black

Julhelm · Post by **Julhelm** » 2005-08-16 12:17pm

Can't these families simply keep their passports with them while boarding? Problem solved.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2005-08-16 12:20pm

Dakarne wrote:

The US gov't are the world's largst employer of such people, equal opportunities and all.
It's the same in britain unfortunately... but I don't think anybody is going to stop a kid from flying because their names are on a list.

Yeah, you'll just post his pic on TV, saying "this kid is a terrorist."

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2005-08-16 12:23pm

I have a hard time believing people are this stupid... more like "cover your ass" thinking.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2005-08-16 12:29pm

Wow, it's a good thing we made these people federal employees. They're just so much more professional now.

The incompetence and idiocy of the TSA never ceases to amaze.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-08-16 02:02pm

This doesn't surprise me. In one airport the TSA screeners took the replica gun ban so strictly they prohibited GI-Joe plastic guns from being allowed on a plane.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2005-08-16 03:16pm

Pu-239 wrote:I have a hard time believing people are this stupid... more like "cover your ass" thinking.

What do you expect? No one with a screening job in the US right now is going to want to risk anything at all happening right now, because so much crap could stand to come down on them personally.

Post by **Broomstick** » 2005-08-16 07:49pm

Julhelm wrote:Can't these families simply keep their passports with them while boarding? Problem solved.

Not really - the vast majority of Americans do not and never have owned a passport. It's not a required document, so no one bothers to get one unless they're planning to go out of the country (and Canada doesn't count in this case, as US citizens don't need a passport for that one. Yet.)

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2005-08-16 07:54pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Pu-239 wrote:I have a hard time believing people are this stupid... more like "cover your ass" thinking.

What do you expect? No one with a screening job in the US right now is going to want to risk anything at all happening right now, because so much crap could stand to come down on them personally.

Don't they have incident reports for this sort of stuff? It's a fucking baby, they shouldn't be so dumb that they can't simply let it on and write down a report saying something along the lines of "passenger had similar name to suspect on list, but was an infant" or some such. It also makes me wonder how close the name actually was to get it marked.