Graphic Card problem

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-10-03 10:24am

I'm having a problem with my 9700, I tried to run 3dMark05 2 days ago (reguler version), it locked up(well, actully blue screen[not of death]), when I restarted, the event logger said the device went into an infintine loop, and could not reset. I updated drivers to 4.9 and tried again, no joy.

I gave up, but today HW2 suddenly Black screened me, I shurgged and restarted.
Turned out Fast writes were enabled in the driver, turned them off, restarted but still blue screen in 3dmark.

The card functions well, last time I checked the fan was still working, so i'm lost here.

Anyone?[/i]

DaveJB · Post by **DaveJB** » 2004-10-03 10:27am

Make sure Side-Band Addressing is turned off as well.

Also, what kind of PSU are you using, and what else is hooked up? Radeons and GeForces tend to go a little loopy when they don't get enough power.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-10-03 01:14pm

DaveJB wrote:Make sure Side-Band Addressing is turned off as well.

Also, what kind of PSU are you using, and what else is hooked up? Radeons and GeForces tend to go a little loopy when they don't get enough power.

Side band adressing, any way to easily turn it off?

The PSU is a problem, the thing is PoS, but it never acted up untill now, only a bit when the new RAM was installed, but that smoothed over.

All components get loopy without enough power.

Acording to my PSU box, it dosn't even have 200W of power, but at the same time, my PC allready takes more, so its weird, maybe because alot of the power is shunted to the CPU and GPU, which need it

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DaveJB · Post by **DaveJB** » 2004-10-03 02:13pm

200W?!

Well, I think we have the problem! You're about 100W below ATI's recommended specs! Some PSUs can deliver more power than they're rated to do, but I wouldn't carry on powering your system with a seriously under-rated PSU!

For now, I'd try disconnecting an optical drive or something, see if that clears up the problem.

And ignore the bit about side-band addressing; near as I can tell, ATI's drivers don't enable it by default!

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2004-10-03 03:08pm

Theres no way you can run a 9700 off of a 200W power supply. No fucking way. What's the current rating for the 12V line? Better yet....who made your power supply, and what model is it?

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-10-03 04:47pm

Vertigo1 wrote:Theres no way you can run a 9700 off of a 200W power supply. No fucking way. What's the current rating for the 12V line? Better yet....who made your power supply, and what model is it?

As I said, its running over current, and never had a problem before(not going to replace it now, not with a new PC around the corner).

The problem seems to be limited to 3dMark05(no problems with NWN, GC2 and HW2 now), can I assume its trying to run PS3.0 on the 9700?

or is that a stupid assumption.

DaveJB, out of the question, I have need of both my CD-Rom and the burner, the only option is trying to underclock my CPU, but it dosn't appear to let me, either that or Underclocking my GPU, which i'm loath to do.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2004-10-03 05:22pm

Dude, if you're pulling too much current, then you're slowly frying that power supply. I say again, there is absolutely no way you can run that 9700 in a computer with a 200W power supply. It would not even POST. Period. You obviously mis-read the power supply label. Some power supplies have a section that say "Combined Power" (or something to that effect), but thats not the actual rating for the power supply. Its actually close to double that rating.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-10-03 05:56pm

You are badly overstressing your computer (not just your PSU) by drawing such a huge load on it. No wonder you're getting failures on it (probably caused by progressive, subtle damage)

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-10-04 03:39am

Vertigo1 wrote:Dude, if you're pulling too much current, then you're slowly frying that power supply. I say again, there is absolutely no way you can run that 9700 in a computer with a 200W power supply. It would not even POST. Period. You obviously mis-read the power supply label. Some power supplies have a section that say "Combined Power" (or something to that effect), but thats not the actual rating for the power supply. Its actually close to double that rating.

Oh great, thanks for the clear up, it IS combined power, so can I assume 400W?

Damn, I did read it wrong, this is what it says:

Max 3.3+5V: 191W (is this combined power?)
Max 12V: 168W
Max -5V: 2.5W
Max -12V: 12W

Right now the bug seems to have dissapeared from anything else(barring 3Dmark05, which i'm not going to run), I don't know what to say

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2004-10-05 02:39am

Ace Pace wrote:Oh great, thanks for the clear up, it IS combined power, so can I assume 400W?

That, or 380W (which is the closest standard value).

Damn, I did read it wrong, this is what it says:

Max 3.3+5V: 191W (is this combined power?)
Max 12V: 168W
Max -5V: 2.5W
Max -12V: 12W

What I'm most interested in is the maximum current for the 12V rail. Though if I did the calculation right, it should be around 14A. Thats a little low for a 400W power supply though. My 350 tops out at 16A on the 12V rail. Though it'll actually say combined power if they chose to list it.

Right now the bug seems to have dissapeared from anything else(barring 3Dmark05, which i'm not going to run), I don't know what to say

Ok, unplug a device you won't be using during 3dmark and see if it still happens. If you're pulling too much current then you'll know for sure.