"May please fans of System Shock 2"

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2004-10-08 12:37pm

No, it's not concrete, or official, but Gamespot have let fly wild rumours that something Shocking may be in the works at Irrational in their Restrospective on Shock 2.

Which, if confirmed, would possibly cause the more enlightened PC gamers to cream their trousers with glee.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-10-08 04:49pm

System Shock 3, could it be? Could such a thing come to pass?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-08 06:29pm

Let's not become Freespace 3 dreamers here. It's only a hint right now, nothing more.

Post by **Dalton** » 2004-10-08 07:57pm

Tycho at PA posted this link which appears to be a preview...

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-08 08:21pm

Sounds more like a Resident Evil clone to me.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-10-08 08:47pm

Sounds more like a Resident Evil clone to me.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-10-08 08:49pm

...

I retract my last statement. My apologies, I thought you were talking about System Shock. Yes, this BioShock thing does look like an RE clone to me.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-08 10:56pm

I need to find and dust off my old SS2 copy. I have it here somewhere.

Oh SHODAN, where for art thou?

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-10-08 11:44pm

I can't play my original System Shock anymore. Pisses me off. Can't they make a version for windows, goddamit?

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-10-08 11:48pm

I retract my last statement. My apologies, I thought you were talking about System Shock. Yes, this BioShock thing does look like an RE clone to me.

You were right the first time- I see nothing in that preview to see any indications of it being a clone of RE in any way.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-09 08:51am

Vympel wrote:
You were right the first time- I see nothing in that preview to see any indications of it being a clone of RE in any way.

Apart from the whole biological creatures of death in some secret lab becoming a menace to the world thing and mutating humans.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-10-09 09:05am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Apart from the whole biological creatures of death in some secret lab becoming a menace to the world thing and mutating humans.

I was talking about the gameplay, not superficial differences of plot in an extremely early stage of gaming press coverage. RE sucks. System Shock doesn't.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-09 11:05am

Vympel wrote: I was talking about the gameplay, not superficial differences of plot in an extremely early stage of gaming press coverage. RE sucks. System Shock doesn't.

RE certainly doesn't suck, but you're quite happy to have that wrong opinion.

I was only referring to plot anyway which has been done to death by RE. If I want another System Shock, it has to be like the first two and not some first person RE.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-10-09 12:19pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
RE certainly doesn't suck, but you're quite happy to have that wrong opinion.

The control system is shitty and unresponsive, the puzzles are tedious. It sucks. Eternal Darkness shat all over it.

I was only referring to plot anyway which has been done to death by RE. If I want another System Shock, it has to be like the first two and not some first person RE.

It can't be a first person RE. RE has it's own (crappy) gameplay that SShock, or any spiritual successor, would never mirror.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-09 12:35pm

Vympel wrote:
The control system is shitty and unresponsive, the puzzles are tedious. It sucks. Eternal Darkness shat all over it.

Controls suck, yeah, but that's one thing RE4 has set out to improve.

It can't be a first person RE. RE has it's own (crappy) gameplay that SShock, or any spiritual successor, would never mirror.

A pox on you! No, even better, a T-Virus on you!

The games are totally different, so there's no comparison, I just saw Bioshock's basic plot as familiar.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2004-10-09 06:27pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Vympel wrote:
You were right the first time- I see nothing in that preview to see any indications of it being a clone of RE in any way.
Apart from the whole biological creatures of death in some secret lab becoming a menace to the world thing and mutating humans.

Wow, you mean Resident Evil is actually a System Shock 1 clone.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-09 07:44pm

Slartibartfast wrote: Wow, you mean Resident Evil is actually a System Shock 1 clone.

Rather, RE is the culmination of every zombie and survival based film/book/game since then. I'm sure we could go back and find something else that predates the '94 release of SS, but that's silly. Besides, the original SS is forgettable. The sequel was far superior in every way.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-10-09 07:58pm

Vympel wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
RE certainly doesn't suck, but you're quite happy to have that wrong opinion.
The control system is shitty and unresponsive, the puzzles are tedious. It sucks. Eternal Darkness shat all over it.

It sure did, and it even kept the 'stupid logic puzzle' factor which was never a part of SS.

This doesn't sound so good tho, although its early days. I'd rather SS1 on the SS2 engine, but thats just Jet Rollerskates Stark for you.

Star-Blighter · Post by **Star-Blighter** » 2004-10-10 01:12pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote: Rather, RE is the culmination of every zombie and survival based film/book/game since then. I'm sure we could go back and find something else that predates the '94 release of SS, but that's silly. Besides, the original SS is forgettable. The sequel was far superior in every way.

Uhh, I think you need to the crack pipe down because the original System Shock was anything but forgetable and most shockers consider it to be better
than SS2.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2004-10-10 03:17pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote: Wow, you mean Resident Evil is actually a System Shock 1 clone.
Rather, RE is the culmination of every zombie and survival based film/book/game since then. I'm sure we could go back and find something else that predates the '94 release of SS, but that's silly. Besides, the original SS is forgettable. The sequel was far superior in every way.

You are out of your fucking mind. The original SS is anything BUT forgettable (unless you're an style-over-substance kidna guy). The sequel was pretty good but it doesn't compare, AND it had the whole MUTATED BIO ZOMBIES theme before RE even existed on paper, and saying it's a copy of Resident Evil's plot is completely assinine.

That, and Resident Evil is a shameless Xerox copy of Alone in the Dark. But less scary.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2004-10-10 07:47pm

People who think Shock is somehow 'forgettable' should check out the (UK) PC Gamer Top 100s, in which it managed to appear consistently for years. Hell it was even in the top ten as late as 2000/2001 (I forget exactly when, but it was a long time after release)...

System Shock is a fucking landmark for PC games, it's almost the very start of bringing emergence into action adventure gaming, and it invented Thief and Deus Ex.

Now, where's my Jet Skates?