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Why Windows Vista WILL suck.

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Warning: Rant Approching. If you do not want to read the rant, skip to quote box.

Have I ever mentioned on this site how much I hate super-geeks and uber-fanboys? Well, I do. I REALLY hate people who are overly-obsessed about some TV show, movie, video game, video game platform, etc, and freak out if anyone levels any sort of criticism against said obsession, or proclaim any competing product to be better.

Well, someone proclaimed that "Windows Vista Wouldn't Suck," so of course, some linux jackass came along and shreiked "NO! Winblows will always suck! Windows in teh evil!!!! Windows is teh evil!!!! Linux is teh Uber!!!! LINUX IS TEH UBARRRRRR!!!!11!!!1!!one!!!1111!!!1!!11!!eleven!!!







Desktop Linux wrote:Oh! My aching head.

When I first saw ExtremeTech's Why Windows Vista Won't Suck, I thought: "Aha, sarcasm."

Nope. I was wrong.

They really were saying that Vista is pretty good.

Oh please.

First, let me say, I've been running Vista myself for quite some time. Next to me at this very moment is a Gateway 835GM. Under the hood, it has an Intel Pentium D 2.8GHz dual-core processor, an Intel 945G chipset, 1GB DDR2 (double data rate) DRAM, a 250GB SATA hard drive, and built-in Intel GMA (graphics media accelerator) 950 graphics. That's a fairly powerful machine. Which is a good thing, because it's the only PC in my office of 20 PCs that's got enough oomph to run the Windows Vista February CTP (Community Technology Preview) build 5308 without driving me into fits of rage.

Mind you, it's not enough machine for Vista. I could run any Linux with all the bells and whistles on it without a problem. But, even though this system meets Intel's recommendations for a Vista-capable Intel Professional Business Platform, it still doesn't have the graphics horsepower needed to carry off Vista's much ballyhooed three-dimensional Aero Glass interface.

My point is, though, that while I write a lot about Linux, and I prefer it, my real specialty is that I know operating systems of all types and sorts, including Vista.

So when I say Vista sucks, well, I know what I'm talking about.

"Suck" is a relative term, though. Vista will be better than XP, which has easily been Microsoft's best desktop operating system to date.

However, Vista also requires far more hardware oomph than previous Windows systems. I'd say Intel's recommendations are pretty much a minimum for Vista. I would only add that if you expect to see the fancy desktop, you need to invest in, say, an ATI Radeon XPress 200, an Nvidia nForce4, or a high-end graphics card.

The truth is that very, very few people are going to be upgrading their existing systems to Vista. To make it work well, you're really going to need a new computer. If you didn't buy your PC in 2006, I wouldn't even try to run Vista on it.

OK, so the first reason that Vista sucks is that, no matter what version you get, it's likely to be expensive. No matter what Microsoft ends up charging for it, the only way most people are likely to be running it is when they get a new PC.

Now, let's see what my colleagues at ExtremeTech have to say in Vista's defense ...

Vista is much safer and more secure. "The whole kernel has been reorganized and rewritten to help prevent software from affecting the system in unsavory ways."

Well, yes, this is certainly what Microsoft would have to do to make it truly secure. I've say that myself. Unfortunately, while Microsoft has worked hard on improving Vista's security, it's still pretty much the same old rickety kernel underneath it.

Need proof? In January, Microsoft shipped the first security patch for Vista. It was for the WMF (Windows Metafile) hole. You know, the one, that my security guru friend Larry Seltzer called, "one of those careless things Microsoft did years ago with little or no consideration for the security consequences."

Good job of cleaning up the core operating system, Microsoft!

Of course, Linux never had this kind of garbage to clean up in the first place.

The ExtremeTech guys also say that Microsoft has done a good job of cleaning up Windows' use of memory management and heaps. They're right about that.

What they don't mention is that Linux and Mac OS X have both done that kind of thing well for years. They also don't mention that for an application to actually get the most from these improvements, it will need to be rewritten. So, if you want to get the most from Vista, be sure to set some money aside for new applications as well as a new PC. You'll need it.

They also praise SuperFetch, Microsoft's new combination application pre-fetching technique and hyper-active virtual memory manager. Intelligent pre-fetching is a fine idea for boosting performance. You've been able to use it in any application written with the open-source GCC for years. Microsoft's execution of it, however, has one of the biggest "What were they thinking of?" mistakes I've seen in a long time.

You see, with SuperFetch you can a USB 2.0-based flash drive as a fetch buffer between your RAM and your hard disk. Let me spell that out for you. Vista will put part of your running application on a device that can be kicked off, knocked out, or that your dog can carry away as a chew toy. Do you see the problem here? Me too!

I also understand that Vista will have improved TCP/IP networking. It's nice to know that they've finally done something with that open-source BSD code that's the basis of their TCP/IP network protocol.

What ExtremeTech doesn't mention, though, is that Microsoft is also planning on making it so that you can use IPSec (IP security protocol) for internal network security. This is another of their "What were they thinking of?" moments.

IPSec works fine for VPNs (virtual private networks). But, as John Pescatore, an analyst at Gartner Inc., said about this scheme, "Once you try to encrypt internal communications, your network architecture breaks." He's got that right.

Next up, they say wonderful things about Home Premium Vista having Media Center capability being built into it. Maybe I'm just a little confused here, but after looking at the feature sets, the only thing I see that's changed here is that they'll be calling the next media-enabled Windows "Home Premium Vista" instead of "Media Center Vista."

They also praise this version for having CableCard support, with the result that you'll be able to record HD (high definition broadcasts) from cable instead of being stuck with OTA (over the air) HDTV, without turning your entertainment room into an electronics lab.

Excuse me, but that's not because Microsoft is being innovative. It's because they are still not shipping CableCard cards for PCs. Come the day they finally ship -- and I'm betting the ATI OCCUR makes it out first -- I suspect MythTV and the other open-source PVR (personal video recorder) projects will be right there.

The ExtremeTech crew also has nice things to say about Vista's audio support. Mea culpa, it is better than anything else out there. So, Linux desktop designers, it's time to get cracking on audio support. Vista's still won't be out, at the earliest, until the fourth quarter of this year, and that gives you plenty of time to play catch up.

DirectX10, which is mostly used for game graphics and in the aforementioned Aero, is also much improved. It's also, however, completely different from DirectX9. Current games, current graphic cards, won't be able to do anything with it, which is why Vista also supports DirectX 9.

Here again, I'll give the Microsoft guys come credit. DirecX10 is a big improvement for the gamers. It's still not going to make your PC the equal of a dedicated game console, however.

The folks from ExtremeTech also like the fact that Vista will have many more built-in applications. Isn't this why Microsoft got into trouble with the Department of Justice a while back? Isn't this the kind of thing that has both South Korea and the European Union raking them over the coals? Why, yes. Yes, it is.

Be that as it may, as I sit here looking at my SUSE 10 Linux desktop, I can't help but notice that I have, for free, every software application I could ever want. Advantage: Linux.

At the end of the story, the ExtremeTech crew 'fesses up that "We don't know that it's going to be great just yet." True. And, I don't know that it's going to suck yet, either.

Expensive? Yes. Awful? We'll see.

What I do know, is that I really don't see a thing, not one single thing, that will make the still undelivered Vista significantly better than the Linux or the Mac OS X desktops I have in front of me today.
EDIT: Rereading my rant, I realized I came off rather strongly, but you know, I would probably be a lot nicer to the guy if most of his arguments weren't COMPLETE BULLSHIT.
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Re: Why Windows Vista WILL suck.

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Dominus Atheos wrote:Have I ever mentioned on this site how much I hate super-geeks and uber-fanboys? Well, I do. I REALLY hate people who are overly-obsessed about some TV show, movie, video game, video game platform, etc, and freak out if anyone levels any sort of criticism against said obsession, or proclaim any competing product to be better.

Well, someone proclaimed that "Windows Vista Wouldn't Suck," so of course, some linux jackass came along and shreiked "NO! Winblows will always suck! Windows in teh evil!!!! Windows is teh evil!!!! Linux is teh Uber!!!! LINUX IS TEH UBARRRRRR!!!!11!!!1!!one!!!1111!!!1!!11!!eleven!!!
When I saw that article, I thought the author was going to do some detailed analysis of which features sucked and why. But that was too much to expect. Once I saw the author was a Linux user, I knew it just going to be a load of shit. I mean, the author himself clear demostrates his bais:
Be that as it may, as I sit here looking at my SUSE 10 Linux desktop, I can't help but notice that I have, for free, every software application I could ever want. Advantage: Linux.
There's no analysis, no proof, just rants and bullshit claims. Definitly not how you write an article attacking something.

Really, if Vista does suck, then someone needs to step up, and lay it out in clear, factual supported manner. And for extra credibility, it should be someone that is not a fanboy.
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Some reasonable points, but some of the stuff is just absurd. He's pissed that Aero Glass won't run on his little Intel GMA 950? Give me a break. If he spent more time actually reviewing Vista and less time plugging Linux, he might have written a decent article.
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He goes a bit overboard with performance considering the crap graphics card on his rig and he goes overboard talking about Linux, but he does have some good points.
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While I like my Windows computer, and my Linux computer, the fact of the matter is, Windows is the dominating operating system. You can rant and bitch all you want, and I'll rant and bitch with you, but Windows controls the market. Windows is what 95% of all computer users use. Windows is what 80% of all programs are written for. And Windows is what matters. I love the Linux machine I'm sitting here typing on, and I'm not so fond of the Windows one sitting beside me, but all the damned games and things like Photoshop are written for Windows, so I am forces to have a Windows computer. Microsoft can afford to be slow with the flaws of Windows, because they advertise.

Security is the only thing that I have to call you down on because Macs and Linux machines are safe from hackers and viruses because no one wants to write a virus for Mac or Linux, because it's pretty stupid to do so. I bet if Mac had done better in the cyber races, and Mircosoft was just barely holding on, then we'd all be on Macs, bitching about how Windows has better security. :P
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Praxis wrote:He goes a bit overboard with performance considering the crap graphics card on his rig and he goes overboard talking about Linux, but he does have some good points.
There are a few, but a lot of BS in there.
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Yeah, this is the guy that doesn't like Ubuntu because of the disabled root account.

From what I've seen I personally think that Linux would be a lot better if these ivory tower types would take a step back and look at their operating system and windows objectively, look where windows succeeds and make design changes where neccessary.

Yelling "LOL, W1ND0W$ $UCKS!" whenever new windows features are announced, or whenever Linux gets criticised doesn't result in Linux improving.

Now, I'd really like to see Linux succeed, but we're going to need to see a lot more professionalism from the proponants for that to happen.
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Most of his complaints seem to centre around features in Vista that could potentially be harmful, but which most people are unlikely to ever use or even discover anyway.

On the other hand, I can recall hearing breathless media reports about how Microsoft has greatly improved the security and memory management every damned time they've released a new operating system over the past 10 years, so you'll have to forgive me if I'm not too impressed when I hear that line being trotted out again for Vista.
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The man is not very good at arguing. In Why Linux Is Better, when confronted with "I can't play games on Linux" he defaults to "OMG computers suck at games consoles are sooo much better for games". Brilliant rebuttal.
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Ugh, I hate that logic.
"Can play games? That problem is easilyl solved, buy a PS2!" Yeah, good luck getting Rome: Total War or EVE Online running on a PS2, asshole.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not going to start extolling the virtues of Windows Vista. I think we're all aware of the criticisms of Vista, as well as those of XP and previous windows versions and many of these criticisms I agree with. However, if these "experts" aren't going to look at all options objectively then why bother?

The gaming situation is a perfect example. The problem is that Linux sucks for games, his solution is that we don't use it for games. Now, I'd accept this solution if it wasn't for the fact that he's making a habit of constantly publishing articles on why Linux is better. If we look at his learning curve comments "Let's face it; most of us hate learning curves. It's just that, in the case of Windows vs. Linux, the climb is worth it" he's clearly trying to convince his readers that the switch to Linux is "worth it."

He's trying to present arguments as to why people should be using Linux instead of Windows, which is fine, but when it comes to gaming which is by a significant margin the biggest application windows has in the home user market, he simply tells his readers that they don't really need it to do that. He needs to stop being dishonest with his readers and just admit that it's something where Linux fails, not just brush the issue aside and pretend it'll go away.
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Eagle eyed posters would have noticed I already put this article up in the Vista NOT sucking thread, along with a note saying to pay special attention to the comments on that article. He has some good points, but for the most part, the pro-Linux side is embarassed to have him.
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