PS3 backwards compatible? Ha!

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2006-11-15 11:06am

The Kernel wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Second, regarding the Wii's Virtual Console, you mean to tell me that it never entered your puny brain that such a function as being able to buy, download, and play NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, and TG-16 games MIGHT be appealing to some people?
Too bad I can do that with my computer, right now.
He makes a valid point. The popularity of 16-bit and earlier emulation is likely to make a dent in potential sales. It's still a nice revenue stream, but this isn't like the GBA; they aren't selling a version with a compelling reason to get away from emulation (portability), and the hardcore have been playing these games constantly for years already on their PCs.

How's this for a compelling reason to get away from emulation. You actually get something that works right out of the box without having to fuck with umpteen different settings and risking that it -still- might not work. I know I certainly have a bitch of a time getting an N64 emulator to run all the games I want to properly, and this gives me a relatively cheap and effective option to play classic titles without shelling out $40 for a new GBA title when they do remakes.

The older systems I probably wouldn't bother with as much due to software emulation being easier to do, however I still might actually buy a few titles I like simply because it supports Nintendo and I like the company enough to do so.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-11-15 11:16am

My personal problem with emulators had to do with me not being really that big on playing games on my computer in general, especially games that are supposed to be on a console. Overall, playing emulated NES and SNES games never really felt right; there was just something off about the whole experiance for me.

That and getting settings right was occasionally a pain in the ass.

Playing older games in their proper environment is a big plus for me, so I do look forward to the VC a great deal.

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2006-11-15 11:33am

Dude, PS3 aside, the Wii is a hopped a Gamecube. That's simply a fact. Look at the new Zelda game. It looks like total shit. Razz

Was that supposed to be a credible source? The guy is bashing the fact that you have to press A to read signs. Like every other Zelda game ever made.

He's also bashing the color pallete, saying the game is too "brown." Has it occured to him that it may be intentional, in order to give the game a darker atmosphere?

Not to mention the title "Nintendo's new Zelda game falls flat." We're talknig about a game that hasn't been released. It's pretty obvious he was just trying to garner attention, rather than offer an actual look at how the game holds up. In short, the entire article is flamebait.

Keep in mind it was written about a guy who bashes the Wii because it makes a profit on day one.

Graphics have never made gameplay. In my mind, they are a nice addition, but I will be playing for gameplay first. However, graphics are the last thing I would bash about Zelda, because I have seen total shit, and thisis not total shit.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2006-11-15 01:17pm

Davis 51 wrote:
Dude, PS3 aside, the Wii is a hopped a Gamecube. That's simply a fact. Look at the new Zelda game. It looks like total shit. Razz
Was that supposed to be a credible source? The guy is bashing the fact that you have to press A to read signs. Like every other Zelda game ever made.

Just to nitpick, sorry, that DOES suck. Oblivion, Morrowind, and half a dozen other games have signs you can read from far away, it's not that complex to have that.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-11-15 01:20pm

That is not an issue that sucks in the least. At most it's just a pithy comment.

Besides, how are you supposed to have legible, lengthy signs at 480i, anyway?

But that issue that debated and argued to death over at PA and I'm not really interested in seeing an instant replay here...

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2006-11-15 01:21pm

Ace Pace wrote:
Davis 51 wrote:
Dude, PS3 aside, the Wii is a hopped a Gamecube. That's simply a fact. Look at the new Zelda game. It looks like total shit. Razz
Was that supposed to be a credible source? The guy is bashing the fact that you have to press A to read signs. Like every other Zelda game ever made.
Just to nitpick, sorry, that DOES suck. Oblivion, Morrowind, and half a dozen other games have signs you can read from far away, it's not that complex to have that.

One can attribute that to the signs being in Hyrulian. Even with photorealism, that might just be something Myamoto never changes. ZOMG! It's so difficult to press the A button to read a sign! I cannot see myself caring. It's the fact that he uses it to justify the claim that because of it, the game falls flat.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-11-15 01:23pm

Yeah, forgot about that. All of the signage in the games are in Hylian, which is a character set-switched version of Japanese.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2006-11-15 01:23pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:That is not an issue that sucks in the least. At most it's just a pithy comment.

Besides, how are you supposed to have legible, lengthy signs at 480i, anyway?

But that issue that debated and argued to death over at PA and I'm not really interested in seeing an instant replay here...

Just to answer both at once. It's not a game breaking issue, but it's something that would be nice to have. Very nice to have.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-11-15 01:27pm

At the most it would be superfluous candy, but for Joystiq to bitch about it as if it should be required is idiotic.

But it doensn't really matter all that much anyway because you couldn't read the signs at first glance unless you memorised the Hylian character set and knew Japanese...

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2006-11-15 02:10pm

Davis 51 wrote: He's also bashing the color pallete, saying the game is too "brown." Has it occured to him that it may be intentional, in order to give the game a darker atmosphere?

After playing Quake <insert number here>, making the game "brown" doesnt make for a darker atmosphere it just makes everything look like fucking shades of brown.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-11-15 02:21pm

The obvious way to counter that blathering is that the game isn't "too brown." Yes, it does have a more subdued, realistic colour palette compared to OoT or TWW, but there have been many screenshots released that show various scenes and areas of the game to be quite colourful.

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2006-11-15 02:33pm

Xon wrote:
Davis 51 wrote: He's also bashing the color pallete, saying the game is too "brown." Has it occured to him that it may be intentional, in order to give the game a darker atmosphere?
After playing Quake <insert number here>, making the game "brown" doesnt make for a darker atmosphere it just makes everything look like fucking shades of brown.

Nevertheless, his reasoning is greatly exaggirated. He hasn't played the game all the way through.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2006-11-15 03:29pm

Davis 51 wrote:Nevertheless, his reasoning is greatly exaggirated. He hasn't played the game all the way through.

Due to quake, I've developed a Stark-like hatred of any game which uses more than a little brown.

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2006-11-15 04:09pm

Xon wrote:
Davis 51 wrote:Nevertheless, his reasoning is greatly exaggirated. He hasn't played the game all the way through.
Due to quake, I've developed a Stark-like hatred of any game which uses more than a little brown.

Well, then I'm glad I've never played Quake.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-11-15 04:10pm

I want to know if Xbox Live Arcade is a selling point for 360, but the Virtual Console is stupid because people just use emulators.

I really want to know, because that means people are hypocrites. Live Arcade is a success, and many games are shockingly crap, old, and emulatable. Perhaps - just, perhaps here - emulation is niche and even most gamers don't do it, certainly not console gamers. Nah, I bet the popularity of emulation put a dent in 360 sales!

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2006-11-15 05:28pm

Stark wrote:I want to know if Xbox Live Arcade is a selling point for 360, but the Virtual Console is stupid because people just use emulators.

It should be noted that most of the Live Arcade games that are emulatable have some kind of extra shinies for Live Arcade, even if it's just things like custom netcode and online leaderboards for Ye Olde games like Gauntlet and Smash TV and decent internet matchmaking if you fancy some online Doom. Plus there are the achievements, which are always shiny. Especially for the difficult ones, which can make your e-wang appropriately engorged when you show them off.

Plus there are a number of games that are simply not available anywhere else, including some of the highlights of the service like Cloning Clyde. By the end of next year it looks like at least half of XBLA will be indie developments of new products. (there are also some straight up PC games on there. Mutant Storm and Outpost Kaloki both have PC versions, Roboblitz will be released on XBLA and Steam, etc)

Anyway, the service is reasonably popular. It racked up half a million purchases in it's first four months, out of three million total downloads (every game is available as a free trial)

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-11-15 07:38pm

And? Literally if graphics made a game, Gears of War would be selling 360s by the boat, 360 would overtake the market overnight. Ultimately I have the problem that the Wii will not, and has never had the illusion of taking the market by graphics but by games...which is a difficult proposition given the unique controller. That will be the reason the Wii doesn't achieve dominace because that thing will be hard as fuck to translate to, even if it an be used as a regular controller. It is not the standard.

And for the it looks like shit argument, I will point out what is the number one MMO looks shittier then FFXI, EQ2, and a whole host of others on the market, but has that honestly affected sales a damn?

I linked that a: to point out that the Wii is a hopped up Gamecube, and b: for a laugh, hence the

Anyone who denies it's nothing but a hopped up Gamecube clearly has a problem accepting reality, I'm not saying anything about the games playability/ quality in other respects.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2006-11-15 11:53pm

Hey Shep, you can download PS1 and PS2 games and play them via emulation as well. Whoooooa!