DoW: Soul Storm demo released

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2008-01-15 02:16pm

I've updated the OP with the link to the new demo.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2008-01-15 03:09pm

Quoth the server, 404.

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2008-01-15 06:16pm

Silly Dartzap. You put an extra http// in the link!

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-01-15 06:25pm

Is there anything particularly different between the earlier version and the latest version of the demo?

Darmalus · Post by **Darmalus** » 2008-01-15 06:54pm

Damnit, I liked Alexander. Stupid Nuns with guns. Bah!

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2008-01-15 07:07pm

They replaced Alexander with a nun and a gun?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2008-01-16 01:46am

Darmalus wrote:Damnit, I liked Alexander. Stupid Nuns with guns. Bah!

That wasn't Alexander; the Guard regiment was different.

Darmalus · Post by **Darmalus** » 2008-01-16 02:19am

Ahh, yes, I see now. The banner was different and it sounded like a similar, but different voice actor.

Still, I never like watching the IG be the fall guys so someone else can look good, they never get a break.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2008-01-16 03:18am

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:
Zablorg wrote:I'm hoping for a cannon explanation for why everyone still uses melee. I'm fucking serious.
Because in the 41st millennium, you're assailed by so many bad guys that you eventually just run out of ammo. So you need big, noisy chainsaw swords to finish the job.

But of course, you never run out of energy for the chainsaw.

Are there any tactical nukes in 40K? I mean, if there's points at which there are too many dudes coming at you to take out with heavy weapons or even artillery support before they close to melee combat, it seems like a nuke or three would have been pretty useful before they got nearly so close.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2008-01-16 04:36am

Uraniun235 wrote:
Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:
Zablorg wrote:I'm hoping for a cannon explanation for why everyone still uses melee. I'm fucking serious.
Because in the 41st millennium, you're assailed by so many bad guys that you eventually just run out of ammo. So you need big, noisy chainsaw swords to finish the job.
But of course, you never run out of energy for the chainsaw.

Are there any tactical nukes in 40K? I mean, if there's points at which there are too many dudes coming at you to take out with heavy weapons or even artillery support before they close to melee combat, it seems like a nuke or three would have been pretty useful before they got nearly so close.

well WH40K has a rather odd approach to Technology and there's bad guys that might actually survive a tac nuke. Also there's teleportation technology (or abilities) that allow the bad guys to appear at melee range.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2008-01-16 07:52am

Uraniun235 wrote:Are there any tactical nukes in 40K? I mean, if there's points at which there are too many dudes coming at you to take out with heavy weapons or even artillery support before they close to melee combat, it seems like a nuke or three would have been pretty useful before they got nearly so close.

Yeah, sure. Or rather, 40k has weapons that make tac nukes redundant. You don't usually see them in the core game for obvious reasons, but in spin-offs and variants like Epic and Apocalypse (as well as the fluff) there's all manner of colossal warheads, precision orbital bombardment, earth-pulverizing artillery barrages and so on.

To be perfectly serious for a moment, the melee combat in 40k is not quite as prevalent as is popularly perceived. It does happen, especially with heavily-armored or melee-centric forces like Space Marines, Tyranids, and Orks, but by and large most engagements really are resolved at range. It's the small-scale skirmishes depicted in the core WH40K game that tend to see more close combat.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2008-01-17 01:57am

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:
Uraniun235 wrote:Are there any tactical nukes in 40K? I mean, if there's points at which there are too many dudes coming at you to take out with heavy weapons or even artillery support before they close to melee combat, it seems like a nuke or three would have been pretty useful before they got nearly so close.
Yeah, sure. Or rather, 40k has weapons that make tac nukes redundant. You don't usually see them in the core game for obvious reasons, but in spin-offs and variants like Epic and Apocalypse (as well as the fluff) there's all manner of colossal warheads, precision orbital bombardment, earth-pulverizing artillery barrages and so on.

To be perfectly serious for a moment, the melee combat in 40k is not quite as prevalent as is popularly perceived. It does happen, especially with heavily-armored or melee-centric forces like Space Marines, Tyranids, and Orks, but by and large most engagements really are resolved at range. It's the small-scale skirmishes depicted in the core WH40K game that tend to see more close combat.

yeah if you look at the 2 armies/factions that are closest to normal modern humans (the imperial Guard and the Tau) in terms of physical attributes they're really range heavy armies with tanks or equilevants making up a large portion of the fighting force (also IG makes up a wast majority of the imperiums fighting force (Adeptus Astrades (space marines) have millions of fighters in theory but less in pratice due to it factional nature while the guard has billions at least and the fighting force of other factions is less IIRC)

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2008-01-17 02:30am

Lord Revan wrote:yeah if you look at the 2 armies/factions that are closest to normal modern humans (the imperial Guard and the Tau) in terms of physical attributes they're really range heavy armies with tanks or equilevants making up a large portion of the fighting force (also IG makes up a wast majority of the imperiums fighting force (Adeptus Astrades (space marines) have millions of fighters in theory but less in pratice due to it factional nature while the guard has billions at least and the fighting force of other factions is less IIRC)

Isn't the number of Black Templars stated to be impossible to measure because of the way they wage war and recruit neophytes?

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2008-01-17 02:39am

General Schatten wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:yeah if you look at the 2 armies/factions that are closest to normal modern humans (the imperial Guard and the Tau) in terms of physical attributes they're really range heavy armies with tanks or equilevants making up a large portion of the fighting force (also IG makes up a wast majority of the imperiums fighting force (Adeptus Astrades (space marines) have millions of fighters in theory but less in pratice due to it factional nature while the guard has billions at least and the fighting force of other factions is less IIRC)
Isn't the number of Black Templars stated to be impossible to measure because of the way they wage war and recruit neophytes?

So I've read but the way Space Marines are created does impose limits to just how many there can be of them even if the exact numbers aren't known.

So they could be something like 1 to 6 times the numbers of a typical Codex chapter but I dout they could 100 or 1000(or more) times of a typical chapter like the IG is.

just because the exact number isn't know doesn't mean it has to be any larger then a typical codex chapter though (and there's probably an unknown (to us) limit above which even the grand masters of the chapters are unwilling to go).