Arma 2 - anyone can drop a few words?

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Re: Arma 2 - anyone can drop a few words?

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LordOskuro wrote:A lack of new releases doesn't automatically render previous releases moot, and there have been, and still are, great shooters out there for the PC,
So 'alternative' = 'old game that doesn't look as good, doesn't include similar features, playstyle or options'. Gotcha. Thanks for conceding there have been fuck-all PC-only decent shooters in years, by the way.
LordOskuro wrote:simply because the shooter mechanics work better under the keyboard/mouse combo.
Prove it.
LordOskuro wrote:You're simply being dishonest, dipshit.
Yeah, it's so dishonest to say 'prove your statement, for which you provided no evidence and for which counter-evidence exists'. Sorry, is your ass still sore?
LordOskuro wrote:How is that different form what I said? Is it really so hard to actually read a post before breaking out the hate-speech?
Hilarious! Agreement = hate speech! :roll:
LordOskuro wrote:In fact, I've never said Gears was a bad game, it is a decent game, not the second coming of gaming Chirst, but a decent shooter that plays well with the console control scheme.
Which I guess is why I never said you did, and why you've just invented that now because your ass is sore? You said there were 'superior alternatives' and have refused to name EVEN ONE, simply making vague allusions to games from the past. WOW! Fuck, *I* can name superior alternatives, it's not even hard. Sadly, it's YOUR argument! :D
LordOskuro wrote:And, in fact, you shoot your own foot here:
Stark wrote:It's like they're totally divorced from reality. Gears only sold because they bribed journalists! If Bohemia bribed journalists, it'd be a big seller too! :D Sales aren't a measure of the size of the appropriate market because... um...
Gears of War sales on the PC sucked big time, you smart arse, wich actually accounted for Epic's decision to not release GOW2 for the PC.
So... what? A crap port (technical issues) ages later on a platform full of piracy sold poorly. Oh I see, you're trying to say the 'market' for Gears is 'small' by laughably cherry-picking a barely-noticed port. Good work, junior! Next you'll say the Final Fantasy 7 port on PC sold badly, thus JRPGs suck because of the superior alternatives provided on PC, right? :D
LordOskuro wrote:How does that not indicate that PC gamers (the ones not already owning an Xbox, mind you) didn't like Gears? You could argue that the whole shooter genre for the PC has been in steady decline for some time now (as we are in the MMO era), but that's the point, they didn't buy, because they didn't like it, it didn't change their mind regarding the decline, just as UT3 didn't either.
Yes, that's the only explanation. Clearly, they should have bribed more journalists, as Toyla suggests! :lol:
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Losonti Tokash wrote:As opposed to a hiking simulator with ground textures out of Flight Simulator 98?
You have the reading comprehension of a 3-year old, you moron. Go read my previous posts where I explicitly stated what made OFP a fun game. At no point I mentioned GRAPHICS :roll:
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Stark wrote:It's actually fucking hilarious to hear ArmA nutbars (obviously simulationists) claim that Gears is 'somewhere below Vegas' and only succeeded because of 'good marketing'. It's like they're totally divorced from reality. Gears only sold because they bribed journalists! If Bohemia bribed journalists, it'd be a big seller too! :D Sales aren't a measure of the size of the appropriate market because... um...
Oh, so GoW sold so well because it was so good? And advertising campaigns do not work at all? I live in frickin Poland, the backwood of everything and even I noticed the hype about GoW when it came out for the consoles. And I don't usually pay attention to console releases because I don't have one.

And tell me, how did the "sucky PC port" of GoW score 9.0 in Gamespot, with a comment "The PC version of Gears of War is everything the 360 version was and more"? That's what happens when you take an idiot journalist, give him a free copy of the game, handle some stickers and pens and make some future promises to make sure he gives nothing less than a raving review. If you think that video game journalism isn't susceptible to PR practices, then you should stand up and look around. And stop making stupid strawmans, since at no point I said that marketing is the ONLY reason that a game sells well. But have you ever thought that there is a reason that publishing houses pay huge money for advertising?

The said review was written by some Jeff Gerstmann, who personally rated Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter at 9.2, which is like sticking your national flag to a piece of turd.

And is Tolya, not Toyla.
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Stark wrote:So 'alternative' = 'old game that doesn't look as good, doesn't include similar features, playstyle or options'. Gotcha. Thanks for conceding there have been fuck-all PC-only decent shooters in years, by the way.
Actually, an old game that is still being played because new releases are shit does count. I agree there have been no decent new releases, but that doesn't mean there are no alternatives. That is unless looking good is the foremost quality of a game in your opinion, wich is a sad opinion to be had, seeing how you can get used to graphics in a few hours of gameplay, but not to crappy gameplay.
Stark wrote:
LordOskuro wrote:simply because the shooter mechanics work better under the keyboard/mouse combo.
Prove it.
Don't be thick. The mouse is a point and click device, and shooter mechanics (in the traditional non-autoaiming sense) are point and click. The precision you can get with a mouse is greater than what you can get by pushing the analog sticks. My personal proof is how extremely easy it is to pull headshots with a mouse in games such as GoW or GTA:SA by a noob (namely, me) when compared to experienced console players who claim GoW's hardcore mode should only be played after running through casual first (yeah, they might be not too good at the game, but they are probably on par to my skills, and used to the Xbox controller, so they are ok for this example). But really, not understanding that the point and click mechanic is superior, just as a joystick is superior for flight sims, or a wheel is superior to driving games, borders on console fanboyishm. And I do think there are several games that work better with a controller, the reason why I have a controller to use with them on my PC.
Stark wrote: Yeah, it's so dishonest to say 'prove your statement, for which you provided no evidence and for which counter-evidence exists'. Sorry, is your ass still sore?
You're actually claming that there are no alternatives because you, and I quote, "haven't played a shooter on PC in seriously years". So admitedly you're no longer a PC player, and dislike what it has to offer, and that of course translates to PC shooters, present and past, being crap. Who's being closeminded now?
But since you're right that I should substantiate my claims, let's see, franchises: Half-Life, Doom, Battlefield, OFP, Rainbow Six, SWAT, Far Cry, Call of Duty, Crysis... Do I have to keep going on? And don't have the gall to claim they are also available on consoles, this is about shooters being shootier than GoW.
Stark wrote: Hilarious! Agreement = hate speech! :roll:
Yeah well, it's hard to tell them appart when you're posting :wink:
Stark wrote:So... what? A crap port (technical issues) ages later on a platform full of piracy sold poorly. Oh I see, you're trying to say the 'market' for Gears is 'small' by laughably cherry-picking a barely-noticed port. Good work, junior! Next you'll say the Final Fantasy 7 port on PC sold badly, thus JRPGs suck because of the superior alternatives provided on PC, right? :D
Don't be an idiot, I meant to say that PC gamers didn't like GoW as much as Xbox players. Blame it on piracy or bad porting (although except for Windows Live, I didn't feel it was a bad port), but sales flopped, and I doubt it is a mere coincidence that the PC is flooded with shooters, thus reducing the market share of derivative styles such as GoW's tacticool, but then again, I don't seem to have an omniscient space-age brain like yours, thus your assumptions and opinions apparently trump mine.
Stark wrote: Yes, that's the only explanation. Clearly, they should have bribed more journalists, as Toyla suggests! :lol:
Obviously. With whores. That's the only way.
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Toyla wrote:
Losonti Tokash wrote:As opposed to a hiking simulator with ground textures out of Flight Simulator 98?
You have the reading comprehension of a 3-year old, you moron. Go read my previous posts where I explicitly stated what made OFP a fun game. At no point I mentioned GRAPHICS :roll:
So I guess that the first half of my post where I mocked its glacial gameplay full of running over featureless hills only to be shot by some russian that was aiming at you through a wall doesn't count, since I also made fun of its awful (even for the time) graphics. Somemtimes I forget that cheating AI and gameplay where barely anything happens doesn't mean a game sucks and is boring, it's realistic!

Don't even get me started on the action menu, what a festering pile of shit that is.
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Just tried out the demo right?

The game has BASE BUILDING. Not even the subtle editor-only kind but blatent "build barracks and SPAM TEH RIFLEZ" and that's fucking hilarious. Here's to all the Bohemia forum douchebags who couldn't shut up about "ArmA's realism > OFP2's realism". :lol:

Also it's pretty bugged. It chugs once its super smoke effects start up and the post processing hurt my eyes. Also, the AI is still hilarious and it still uses OFP's interface from 2001. Yeah, GOTY for sure. :lol:
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Base building? Aw fuck yeah.

*Downloads the shit out of that demo*

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