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BBC News wrote: France joins Germany warning against Internet Explorer

France has echoed calls by the German government for web users to find an alternative to Microsoft's Internet Explorer (IE) to protect security.

Certa, a government agency that oversees cyber threats, warned against using all versions of the web browser.

Germany warned users on Friday after malicious code - implicated in attacks on Google - was published online.

But Microsoft told BBC News that IE8 was the "most secure browser on the market" and people should upgrade.

Cliff Evans, head of security and privacy, said that so far the firm had only seen malicious code that targeted the older version of its browser, IE6.

"The risk is minimal," he said.

For a web user to be affected, he said, they would have to be using IE6 and visit a compromised website.

"There are very few of them out there," he told BBC News.

However, if this did occur, a PC could become infected with a "trojan horse", allowing a hacker to take control of the computer and potentially steal sensitive information.

'Sophisticated attack'

Although the vulnerability has so far been exploited only in IE6, security researchers warned that could soon change.

"Microsoft themselves admit there is a vulnerability, even in IE8," said Graham Cluley of security firm Sophos.

Mr Cluley said that because details of the exploit were now available online, hackers could soon change the code to target other versions of the browser.

He warned web users to be careful about clicking on links in unsolicited e-mails and advised all web users to upgrade their browser to the latest version, no matter which software they used.

The advice follows revelations that a "targeted and sophisticated" attack on Google exploited the vulnerability.

Google said last week that an attack on its corporate network had targeted the e-mail accounts of human rights activists.

The attack led Google to announce that it might withdraw from China, after it revealed that the attacks had probably originated in the country.

Following the news, Germany's Federal Office for Information Security issued a warning against all versions of Internet Explorer and recommended that users switch to an alternative such as Firefox or Google's Chrome.

The French agency Certa issued a similar warning.

"Pending a patch from the publisher, Certa recommends using an alternative browser," it said.

The UK government had said that it would not issue a similar warning. However, it said the Centre for the Protection of National Infrastructure (CPNI)was "monitoring the situation" and would "publish further advice if the risks change".

Patch path

But Mr Evans said that calls to change browsers were "not very helpful".

"If you look at other browsers, it's likely they will have other vulnerabilities," he said.

He pointed to a report by security firm NSS Labs reportedly showing that IE8 provided better security against phishing and malware than other browsers.

"We feel strongly that IE8 is most secure browser on the market," Mr Evans said.

His advice was echoed by Mr Cluley.

"Switching away will get away from this particular problem," he told BBC News. "But all browsers have security flaws."

Mr Cluley said that switching away from IE could create other problems, particularly for companies.

"Some web-based applications may not work at all if you're not using Internet Explorer."

Microsoft is currently working on a patch for the problem, but a spokesperson said it could not commit to a timeframe.

The firm traditionally releases a security update once a month - the next scheduled patch will be ready on 9 February.
Well it doesn't get much better than that for browsers fighting for market share against IE.

It's like Europe wants Microsoft to die.
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It's my understanding that the purpose of IE is market control. It allows them to introduce new features and force standardized use, without a fight from competing browsers. Examples I can think of include ActiveX and favicon.ico.
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Other browsers are also free and are generally built on IE compatibility (or superiority) anyway. It's not the 90s and we don't care about Mosiac. :)

Things like market control in the Office space is far more important to Microsoft.
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Actually, market control used to be a reason for IE, these days its mostly about offering a browser with unparalleled enterprise central (group policy) customisation features and control, while offering compatibility with all the horrendous internal web apps that are IE only.

For all the consumer-level new features IE7 and 8 offered, MS doesn't really care what you are using at home which can be seen from their consumer techs like Silverlight and their web pages and Live services being compatible with all the popular browsers in the last 2 years.

IE is a primarily enterprise software these days.
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Microsoft still wants to control the Internet browser market, even if they're going about it in a different way now (i.e. "we produce a superior browser" rather than "you must view this site in IE4").

They painted themselves into a corner with IE6 - far too many legacy enterprise web applications require it (and will break under IE7 and IE8). Microsoft would prefer if IE6 just died.
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phongn wrote:Microsoft still wants to control the Internet browser market, even if they're going about it in a different way now (i.e. "we produce a superior browser" rather than "you must view this site in IE4").
And that's fine, that's the attitude a company in a competiton-driven market should have, since the ones that benefit are the consumers, wich end up with a superior product.
The attitude of destroying the competiton thorugh market dominance or simply by buying them only benefits the company and ends up degrading the product's quality (wich is a practise preferred by most companies, not only Microsoft).
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phongn wrote:Microsoft still wants to control the Internet browser market, even if they're going about it in a different way now (i.e. "we produce a superior browser" rather than "you must view this site in IE4").

They painted themselves into a corner with IE6 - far too many legacy enterprise web applications require it (and will break under IE7 and IE8). Microsoft would prefer if IE6 just died.
Actually, I'd dispute that. Do they want to be a major player? Yes, of course. In the enterprise space, they want to be the dominant player certainly. However, in the consumer space, if you go to MS events, its a bit shocking how often you'll see Firefox and Firefox compatibility mentioned, and even utilised in demos. Its also outright stated that if you are interested in tinkering with plugins and such that Firefox is a better option for you - directly by MS employees in open forums. So on the consumer side, I mostly see them as positioning themselves as a solid major player, potentially with a focus on the less demanding less technical part of the market (features like web slices is directly targeted at that market), and not trying to get back into a dominant position.
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Netko wrote: So on the consumer side, I mostly see them as positioning themselves as a solid major player, potentially with a focus on the less demanding less technical part of the market (features like web slices is directly targeted at that market), and not trying to get back into a dominant position.
What? If you include prior versions of IE, Internet Explorer is still the dominant browser of choice. I don't get what you're saying here about "getting back" into a dominant position unless you mean an overwhelming domination.
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phongn wrote:Microsoft still wants to control the Internet browser market, even if they're going about it in a different way now (i.e. "we produce a superior browser" rather than "you must view this site in IE4").

They painted themselves into a corner with IE6 - far too many legacy enterprise web applications require it (and will break under IE7 and IE8). Microsoft would prefer if IE6 just died.
No wonder. We have a ton of legacy shit at work that requires IE6 to run, but fortunately I only need to use one app in that piece of shit. Everything else that I need IE for I can run through Firefox in IETabs, which still uses the IE engine inside Firefox, but it's far more stable than in IE by itself. The reason I don't use that one app through IETabs that it's such a POS that it falls over all by itself all the time and if it's run in an IETab, it kills the entire Firefox process and the twenty other systems I'm using.

It just fucking needs to die. Fortunately we're moving slowly into the direction where we can hopefully bury it for good, but it'll still take years.
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Destructionator XIII wrote:I saw some stats somewhere (forgot where) that said IE6 usage spikes during office hours and drops off sharply at the end of the day, exactly because of those internal apps.

As a result, IE6's marketshare has remained fairly constant - the companies can't switch it out - while IE7 gets assaulted from all sides. Existing IE7 users switch to IE8, and IE6 users, stuck with it, put Firefox or whatever on the side instead of updating to IE7.

I'd imagine that it will stay like this for quite some time. Even if there is now a path to migrate those apps away from IE6, it will happen slowly because a) it ain't broke, don't fix it (alternatively: don't fix that, you might break something else), b) it isn't in the budget anyway.
Practically all of the IE6 exclusive apps we have are horribly broken pieces of shit, but we're still stuck with them, hence the workarounds. All of the other tools we have work on Firefox just fine and even when they have problems, they beat the crap out of the IE6 apps even if said apps are having a good day. So, not in the budget, or not as much in the budget as we'd like.
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