SDN Diplomacy - part III - commentary thread

[wautd]

I'll be Switserland to keep you guys gold safe for a small fee

[Spoonist]

Spring 1909 Orders

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ENGLAND
Kiel SUPPORT Berlin to hold -> resolved
Ruhr SUPPORT Munich to hold -> Supported order does not correspond
Gascony MOVE Marseilles -> Bounced
Burgundy SUPPORT Munich to hold -> Supported order does not correspond
Marseilles MOVE Piedmont -> Attack broken by A Tyrolia - Piedmont
Picardy MOVE Paris -> resolved
North Africa MOVE Tunis -> Attack broken by F Ionian Sea - Tunisia
Holland MOVE Belgium -> resolved
English Channel MOVE Mid-Atlantic Ocean -> resolved
Munich MOVE Kiel -> Bounced
North Sea MOVE Denmark -> resolved
Liverpool MOVE Irish Sea -> resolved
Mid-Atlantic Ocean MOVE Western Mediterranean -> resolved

TURKEY
Ukraine SUPPORT Moscow to hold -> resolved
Trieste MOVE Tyrolia -> resolved
Constantinople MOVE Aegean Sea -> resolved
Western Mediterranean MOVE Spain (South Coast) -> resolved
Greece MOVE Albania -> resolved
Ionian Sea MOVE Tunis -> resolved
Smyrna MOVE Constantinople -> resolved
Silesia SUPPORT Prussia to Berlin -> Supported unit has failed
Aegean Sea MOVE Ionian Sea -> resolved
Prussia MOVE Berlin -> Bounced
Tyrrhenian Sea SUPPORT Ionian Sea to Tunis -> resolved
Tyrolia MOVE Piedmont -> resolved
Venice SUPPORT Tyrolia to Piedmont -> resolved
Gulf of Lyons SUPPORT Western Mediterranean to Spain -> Supported order does not correspond
Bohemia SUPPORT Trieste to Tyrolia -> resolved
Moscow SUPPORT Warsaw to Livonia -> Supported unit has failed
Warsaw MOVE Livonia -> Bounced

RUSSIA
St. Petersburg SUPPORT Livonia to hold -> resolved
Berlin HOLD -> resolved
Gulf of Bothnia SUPPORT Livonia to hold -> resolved
Livonia HOLD -> resolved

[Spoonist]

This is the part I don't get:
Western Mediterranean MOVE Spain (South Coast) -> resolved
Gulf of Lyons SUPPORT Western Mediterranean to Spain -> Supported order does not correspond
Do they have some sort of ruling that you need to specify which coast you support to? That I've never had to do before.

[Spoonist]

Fall 1909 Orders

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ENGLAND
Kiel SUPPORT Munich to hold -> CanT square 
Ruhr SUPPORT Munich to hold -> Supported unit has failed
Gascony SUPPORT Mid-Atlantic Ocean to Spain (South Coast) -> resolved
Burgundy SUPPORT Marseilles to hold -> resolved
Marseilles HOLD -> resolved
Paris MOVE Gascony -> Bounced
North Africa SUPPORT Western Mediterranean to Tunis -> Supported unit has failed
Belgium MOVE Paris -> Illegal order replaced with Hold order
Mid-Atlantic Ocean MOVE Spain (South Coast) -> resolved
Munich HOLD -> Destroyed by A Silesia - Munich
Denmark MOVE Baltic Sea -> resolved
Irish Sea MOVE Mid-Atlantic Ocean -> resolved
Western Mediterranean MOVE Tunis -> Bounced

TURKEY
Ukraine MOVE Moscow -> Bounced
Tyrolia SUPPORT Silesia to Munich -> resolved
Aegean Sea CONVOY Constantinople to Greece -> resolved
Spain (South Coast) SUPPORT Tunis to Western Mediterranean -> Dislodged by F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Spain (South Coast)
Albania MOVE Tunis -> Bounced
Tunis MOVE Western Mediterranean -> Bounced
Constantinople MOVE Greece -> resolved
Silesia MOVE Munich -> resolved
Ionian Sea CONVOY Albania to Tunis -> resolved
Prussia MOVE Berlin -> Bounced
Tyrrhenian Sea SUPPORT Tunis to Western Mediterranean -> Supported unit has failed
Piedmont SUPPORT Gulf of Lyons to Marseilles -> Supported unit has failed
Venice MOVE Tuscany -> resolved
Gulf of Lyons MOVE Marseilles -> Bounced
Bohemia SUPPORT Silesia to Munich -> resolved
Moscow MOVE Livonia -> Bounced
Warsaw SUPPORT Moscow to Livonia -> Supported unit has failed

RUSSIA
St. Petersburg SUPPORT Livonia to hold -> resolved
Berlin HOLD -> resolved
Gulf of Bothnia SUPPORT Livonia to hold -> resolved
Livonia HOLD -> resolved

[Spoonist]

For the completionists I've now also removed any trace of green and red on the board.

Time to start an AAR if anyone is interested?


Fall 1909, Build *game ended*

ENGLAND
(OmegaChief)
6 army units
6 fleet units
11 centers

FRANCE
(surrendered)
0 army units
0 fleet units
0 centers

ITALY
(theadvocate)
0 army units
0 fleet units
0 centers

GERMANY
(surrendered)
0 army units
0 fleet units
0 centers

AUSTRIA
(CockneyWeasel)
0 army units
0 fleet units
0 centers

TURKEY
(Spoonist) WINNER
11 army units
6 fleet units
19 centers

RUSSIA
(Tarle)
3 army units
1 fleet units
4 centers

[Scottish Ninja]

I feel like Fall 1905 was the last best chance to stem the Turkish tide, with a combined Russian-German-Austrian attack on Galicia and the Ukraine. Instead the Russians stabbed for Berlin - a deeply unfortunate choice, under the circumstances. After that I don't think there were big enough weaknesses on the part of the Turks for anyone to get a foothold pushing them back. I might have missed some though - Spoonist, any times you were going "Oh shit I hope they don't do this?"

[OmegaChief]

Only... Germany never had any intentions to side with the Russians on anything, my entire diplomatic history with them is them trying to pursuade me to help them destroy the Russians.

[Spoonist]

I feel like Fall 1905 was the last best chance to stem the Turkish tide, with a combined Russian-German-Austrian attack on Galicia and the Ukraine. Instead the Russians stabbed for Berlin - a deeply unfortunate choice, under the circumstances. After that I don't think there were big enough weaknesses on the part of the Turks for anyone to get a foothold pushing them back. I might have missed some though - Spoonist, any times you were going "Oh shit I hope they don't do this?"

Several times. I'll outline them in an AAR if anyone wants it. If you look at the pattern I overstretch many times, however due to diplomatics I was never worried about being actually stopped after 1904. The other players except for atg were simply too defensive/passive and continued to make small exploitable mistakes. The only worry was if I'd be able to go solo or not. Germany went NMR and France didn't do anything, Russia and Austria was on the ropes. A more aggressive England and I would have had to share it.

And I think that Russia made the logical choice, going versus Berlin and centers in Germany. Without that move he would have made a much easier target.
You have to remember that we lost Germany in 1904 and after that he was not communicating or posting orders. So Russia couldn't make a defensive line with him.
Also if you look at the orders in Fall 1905 I'm using Galicia to cut so him staying wouldn't have made a difference.

The only real worry was when I went on vacation and had a substitute... That could have ended pretty badly.

Mind you the tactics and style I used in this game wouldn't have worked with any other countries than Turkey and England, if I'd had any other country such style would make you dead quick.

[OmegaChief]

Hey, I was being as agressive as I could be, just given thanks to my stupid first turn moves, an at the tiem active German was able to cap 3 centres and thus was a very real threat to me!

Maybe if I'd betrayed the Russians shortly after taking Germany I could have pressed in and stopped you... but at the time France was still being moderatly active and parking all their armies on my new land border.

[Bernkastel]

A pity about the outcome. Yet it was still a good game.

[atg]

Im definately up for a rematch if people are interested

[Bernkastel]

I'd like to think I have improved a bit via the learning experiance of this game and would certainly like a rematch.

Also, Spoonist, I myself would indeed like a AAR for our game.