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MKSheppard wrote:
Pu-239 wrote:Wintrolls. *sighs*. Go hang out with your ilk at comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy, Shep. :roll:
Hey smartypants, Apple is just as monopolistic and greedy as Microsoft,
they just have a better PR department. Remember the Mac Clone thing
from 1994 or thereabouts? It seems that the clone makers were
actually making Macs that were *GASP* competitively priced with
equivalent WinBlows PCs, and therefore cutting into Apple's profits
(which comes mostly from fleecing idiots who think that having that
little apple logo makes their computer perform 10 times better),
so they cut off the Clone licenses.
It's unfortunate that Apple had to cut the clones, but they weren't cutting into their profits margins (which are absurd, I agree). They were completely destroying Apple's profits - their overhead was much higher than most clone makers (with the possible exception of Daystar Digital).
Or Apple's Cube? They spent a shitload of money on really, a worthless
piece of shit that couldn't be easily upgraded...hell most of the R&D went
into actually making the right kind of transparent plastic.. :roll:
Most of the R&D went into figuring out how to get it to use fanless cooling. It took so much money to do (even with relatively low-power parts) that Apple was forced to make the price high, killing most of the demand.

It could also be upgraded fairly easily (hard drive, video card, RAM, processor), abliet not quite as easily as most machines. You'd run into the same problem with other small form-factor computers.
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MKSheppard wrote:
phongn wrote: Or instead, I can press the eject key and do the same thing?
A software key? Oh what if the OS crashes? And don't tell me OS X is
uncrasheable - I've crashed Linux before :twisted:
Might be software, I'm not sure if Apple implemented a BIOS call or not. If that fails, there's the tried-and-true paperclip model.

(The eject button won't always work under Windows, either - certain issues can cause the OS to override a manual eject command).
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My favorite Apple is Good story involves Combat Mission Barbarossa
to Berlin.

Basically, OS X simply won't run CM:BB, due to apple not even bothering to
include RAVE support to OS X - the only way to get the macintosh version
of CMBB to run is to boot into OS 9....

but Apple has removed the ability of all future macintoshes to
boot into OS 9...

Wow, I'd love to see Microsuck try that, forcing the motherboard
makers and other hardware makers to remove the capability of
booting into a previous version of Winblows...you'd have a
bloody rebellion on your hands...but when Apple does that...the
silence is deafening.
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It's not so much Apple removing the ability to boot OS9 from the new machines as Apple not updating OS9 to boot from them. They EOL'ed in terms of hardware support, much as Microsoft did the same to WNT, W95, etc. (I'm not sure if those will boot on x86-64 or IA64).

And the silence defeaning? Hell no - there was an uproar over this, mostly from the guys running Quark Xpress on OS9 (Quark spent their sweet time updating to OS X).
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MKSheppard wrote:A software key? Oh what if the OS crashes? And don't tell me OS X is
uncrasheable - I've crashed Linux before :twisted:
Ever cause a kernel panic? No? Didn't think so.

I've had hardware-related lockups under Linux (overheating, I think), and X occasionally dies on me, but I've never had a kernel panic.
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Crayz9000 wrote:Ever cause a kernel panic? No? Didn't think so.
I've seen plenty of them. There were several repeatable ones on the iBooks some people I knew had at one point in time.

That plus you can still do things like create high priority I/O threads and lock the machine up quite nicely.
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I was actually talking about the Linux kernel, not the OSX kernel. But at least the OSX kernel is more stable than any Windows kernel.
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MKSheppard wrote:You're the dumbshit, still refusing to see that you can save over $150 dollars if you know how to cheat Microsoft out of the full version of Winblows.
AND YOU CAN GET THE SOFTWARE FOR FUCKING FREE IF YOU FUCKING CHEAT AND DOWNLOAD IT OFF A WAREZ SERVER, YOU COMPLETE, UTTER, FUCKING RETARD. THAT DOES NOT MAKE YOUR COMPARISON VALID.

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My favorite Apple is Good story involves Combat Mission Barbarossa to Berlin.

Basically, OS X simply won't run CM:BB, due to apple not even bothering to include RAVE support to OS X - the only way to get the macintosh version of CMBB to run is to boot into OS 9....
Oh boo-fucking hoo. Apple didn't waste their time adding support for an ancient 3D API and opted for OpenGL instead.
but Apple has removed the ability of all future macintoshes to boot into OS 9...

Wow, I'd love to see Microsuck try that, forcing the motherboard makers and other hardware makers to remove the capability of booting into a previous version of Winblows...you'd have a bloody rebellion on your hands...but when Apple does that...the silence is deafening.
Don't be absurd. Plenty of people are pissed at Jobs because of that (and other things, just run onto a Maclot board and yell "Brushed metal" and see what happens), but you know what? I don't care. OS 9 is a dinosaur, and the sooner it dies the better. There is no legitimate reason for Apple to waste their time making OS 9 work on a 64-bit processor.

They just make the software, and it's up to third parties to make their hardware work with it. Don't pretend that Microsoft and Apple are in analogous business situations with respect to hardware and software support.
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The upgrade for Windows XP Professional is still $200, Shep. A bit more expensive than $129, no?
Dishonest. The lower price of OSX is tipped WAY in the other direction by the MUCH higher prices of its hardware. In other words, Apple supports its cheaper software through income garnered by its hardware. Microsoft does not have this level of control over the hardware market.

Saying that OSX is "cheaper" is like harping on being able to buy a radiator for a Mercedes that's cheaper than the radiator in a Mustang. Technically, it'd be true (if it weren't merely a hypothetical example), but unless you spend far more money in order to actually be able to USE the product, it's worthless.
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SPOOFE wrote:
The upgrade for Windows XP Professional is still $200, Shep. A bit more expensive than $129, no?
Dishonest. The lower price of OSX is tipped WAY in the other direction by the MUCH higher prices of its hardware. In other words, Apple supports its cheaper software through income garnered by its hardware. Microsoft does not have this level of control over the hardware market.
I could argue the same that Microsoft does much the same for their server OSes, no? A mere 5-user W2K3 server license costs $1000, nevermind Exchange and all those other good things. Most companies subsidise other products to one extent or another.
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MKSheppard wrote: But that's alright. Go ahead and spend a shitload more on
an art deco computer that is seriously lacking in many areas
Every Macintosh I've bought since my Plus in 1986 was purchased for utility. Aesthetic considerations never entered into it.
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