I've developed a dislike for clanners and clan pub servers

[Hamel]

I can't stand this bullshit

Like 1/4 of all NS servers are clan pub servers

1) Clanners almost always stack to one team
1a) 99% of them have voice comms
1b) They have weekly scrims, so there is a coordination advantage

2) Clanners cover their fellow members' asses when something goes down
2a) Over half of all pubbers and clanners use ex_interp exploit as marine, and play dumb when you call them out on it
2a1)Complain, and they deny deny deny
2b) If you have a cheating clan member on the server, don't dare accuse him or you'll be permabanned on the spot
2c)The clan that plays together, hacks together

3) Reserved slots
3a) 1 slot is fine for admin, more are never necessary
3b) If you want to reserve 6 fucking slots THEN PUT A PASSWORD ON YOUR SERVER YOU SCAT FETISHISTS
3c) New trend is offering reserved slots to pubbers and regulars for a monthly fee
3c1) This only encourages brats to waste their allowance money on a fucking FREE MOD
3c2) Those that cough up the fee are usually given admin rights, such as banning, ejecting from comm chair, and llama/slap
3cpenis) And you fucking guessed it, they do nothing but abuse those rights
3cvagina) And they're always fucking assholes. ALWAYS

4) Clanner attitudes
4a) Remember, you are just a newb compared to these 1337 clanners
4b) Most act either like 12 yr olds or late teen wiggers
4c) Always blame you if they fuck it up
4d) Most of the time, the top clanners aimbot it up, and use their ill-gained wins to keep their nose up in the air
4d1) Syn is the top NS clan right now. I watched a match of them vs STD ~ blatant fucking aimbot with shotties. Demo was posted on official forums and the entire community sucks their dicks. Don't mention their aimbot or you'll be excommunicated from the forums and community

I am banned from probably 1/3 of all ns servers because of retarded admins and clanners

[Hotfoot]

I can't stand this bullshit

Like 1/4 of all NS servers are clan pub servers

1) Clanners almost always stack to one team

Of course. They like playing together. Wouldn't you like to play on the same team as your friends?

1a) 99% of them have voice comms

If you have a microphone in Half-Life, you have voice comms. In Natural Selection, the built-in voice comms are incredibly useful.

1b) They have weekly scrims, so there is a coordination advantage

Yup. It's called teamwork, which is really where NS shines.

2) Clanners cover their fellow members' asses when something goes down

In game? You mean they'll watch your back? Heaven forbid!

2a) Over half of all pubbers and clanners use ex_interp exploit as marine, and play dumb when you call them out on it

I'll admit, I don't know what that is.

2a1)Complain, and they deny deny deny

There is always more than one side to every story.

2b) If you have a cheating clan member on the server, don't dare accuse him or you'll be permabanned on the spot

How do you know that they are cheating? Can you provide solid evidence?

2c)The clan that plays together, hacks together

While this can and does happen, such clans get blacklisted quickly, as nobody wants to play with hackers. However, without evidence of hacking, it's only so much sour grapes.

3) Reserved slots
3a) 1 slot is fine for admin, more are never necessary
3b) If you want to reserve 6 fucking slots THEN PUT A PASSWORD ON YOUR SERVER YOU SCAT FETISHISTS
3c) New trend is offering reserved slots to pubbers and regulars for a monthly fee

Hey, keeping servers running costs money. The more popular the servers, the more money needed. A reserved slot is an added bonus. It would sort of be like if Mike offered a custom title to whoever donated via paypal.

3c1) This only encourages brats to waste their allowance money on a fucking FREE MOD

The mod is free, maintaining a fucking DEDICATED SERVER is NOT.

3c2) Those that cough up the fee are usually given admin rights, such as banning, ejecting from comm chair, and llama/slap

I've not seen much of that. Usually it's just that if the server is full, they can join the game anyway.

3cpenis) And you fucking guessed it, they do nothing but abuse those rights

Eh. So don't frequent those servers. There are plenty of servers with a decent group of regulars where you can play.

3cvagina) And they're always fucking assholes. ALWAYS

You're not exactly coming off as a really nice person either, you know.

4) Clanner attitudes
4a) Remember, you are just a newb compared to these 1337 clanners
4b) Most act either like 12 yr olds or late teen wiggers
4c) Always blame you if they fuck it up
4d) Most of the time, the top clanners aimbot it up, and use their ill-gained wins to keep their nose up in the air
4d1) Syn is the top NS clan right now. I watched a match of them vs STD ~ blatant fucking aimbot with shotties. Demo was posted on official forums and the entire community sucks their dicks. Don't mention their aimbot or you'll be excommunicated from the forums and community

I am banned from probably 1/3 of all ns servers because of retarded admins and clanners

You'll see that in any FPS game, especially anything related to Half-Life. I still question some of your judgements, however. Again, without solid evidence of cheating, accusing people of using aimbots or other stuff will earn you a quick "STFU NOOB" most places.

[Howedar]

*claps*

[Hamel]

Of course. They like playing together. Wouldn't you like to play on the same team as your friends?

Would I take all my clan members to one team outside of a scrim or match? Hell no, that's laming the pub up.

If you have a microphone in Half-Life, you have voice comms. In Natural Selection, the built-in voice comms are incredibly useful.

And the other side usually has
1) Few people with voice comms
2) Kids using HLSS to play stupid music and Full Metal Jacket quotes over voice comm.

Yup. It's called teamwork, which is really where NS shines.

No shit Sherlock. It gets lame when you have coordinated clanners on one team, with random people on the other who have fewer means of getting real teamwork.

In game? You mean they'll watch your back? Heaven forbid!

If you weren't trying to be a smartass, you'd realize that I was referring to the unethical shit clanners tend to pull on their own servers

There is always more than one side to every story.

Obviously, but once you encounter that clanner mentality, no amount of evidence is going to help you. Yeah, the demos of proof I sent to [HK] really helped my case

How do you know that they are cheating? Can you provide solid evidence?

It's called spectating and 'record xxx' in console

While this can and does happen, such clans get blacklisted quickly, as nobody wants to play with hackers. However, without evidence of hacking, it's only so much sour grapes.

Blacklisted? Right, Syn's blatant aimbotting vs STD sure didn't ruin their reputation. For great examples, I direct you to the TFC community for evidence contradicting your claims. TFL clans routinely recruit cheaters, and if caught, can wait just a bit before they're back in business.

Hey, keeping servers running costs money. The more popular the servers, the more money needed. A reserved slot is an added bonus. It would sort of be like if Mike offered a custom title to whoever donated via paypal.

If they want to do that, then fine, but they're morons for letting a bunch of teenage brats abuse rcon functions. See Voogru's servers for a fine example of this rampant idiocy.

The mod is free, maintaining a fucking DEDICATED SERVER is NOT.

Not always the case.

t seen much of that. Usually it's just that if the server is full, they can join the game anyway.

Then they more often then not fuck things up.

don't frequent those servers. There are plenty of servers with a decent group of regulars where you can play.

And these servers would be?

You're not exactly coming off as a really nice person either, you know.

Yeah, I usually get that when I don't handle the issue with kid gloves

You'll see that in any FPS game, especially anything related to Half-Life. I still question some of your judgements, however. Again, without solid evidence of cheating, accusing people of using aimbots or other stuff will earn you a quick "STFU NOOB" most places.

You've just earned yourself a big "No SHIT" with regards to the burden of proof stuff. Try inviting a clanner to spec one of his own when you catch em aimbotting or ex_interpping it up. See what happens. (Oh yeah, ask them where you can email a demo, and see how many laughs you get before you get banned)

[Hamel]

Oh boy I love venting

Relieves that aching feeling in your prostate

[Hotfoot]

Would I take all my clan members to one team outside of a scrim or match? Hell no, that's laming the pub up.

So make your own clan.

And the other side usually has
1) Few people with voice comms
2) Kids using HLSS to play stupid music and Full Metal Jacket quotes over voice comm.

The few people who spam voice are easily muted.

No shit Sherlock. It gets lame when you have coordinated clanners on one team, with random people on the other who have fewer means of getting real teamwork.

Ideally, clanners on a sever should split themselves along the two teams, this is true, but often they want to have full-game practice sessions, where they learn to operate as a team. In any event, if the server is owned by the clan, it's their business.

If you weren't trying to be a smartass, you'd realize that I was referring to the unethical shit clanners tend to pull on their own servers

If you weren't ranting like a madman, I might have considered that you meant that the first time you said it.

Obviously, but once you encounter that clanner mentality, no amount of evidence is going to help you. Yeah, the demos of proof I sent to [HK] really helped my case

"That clanner mentality"? Sounds dangerously like a stereotype. I know several clans that, if they found a cheater in their midst, they'd kick him out so fast his head would spin.

It's called spectating and 'record xxx' in console

Yeah, you can record a demo. Great. A demo in and of itself does not mean that cheating took place.

Blacklisted? Right, Syn's blatant aimbotting vs STD sure didn't ruin their reputation. For great examples, I direct you to the TFC community for evidence contradicting your claims. TFL clans routinely recruit cheaters, and if caught, can wait just a bit before they're back in business.

Was this blatant aimbotting recognized as cheating, or was it just you who was complaining of it?

If they want to do that, then fine, but they're morons for letting a bunch of teenage brats abuse rcon functions. See Voogru's servers for a fine example of this rampant idiocy.

Okay, now I know you're spouting bullshit. I play on Voogru's servers a LOT. I don't donate, but yet I still have a good time. And I can tell you RIGHT NOW that donators do NOT get admin privlidges, and you are pulling this out of your ass. There are only a handful of admins, and their actions are scruntinized by the community that plays there. There also isn't any one clan that plays at voogru, but rather several.

Not always the case.

What the fuck are you smoking? BANDWIDTH COSTS MONEY! MAINTAINING A $1000+ SERVER TO PLAY THE GAME COSTS MONEY! The time involved alone is an investment in the server, to say nothing of having to replace hardware that fails.

Then they more often then not fuck things up.

Right...based on what, exactly?

And these servers would be?

H20 servers are of good quality from what I've played there. I also enjoy the Voogru servers, as well as a few others that I've happened to find by chance.

Yeah, I usually get that when I don't handle the issue with kid gloves

Try "without logic, rational thought, or facts".

You've just earned yourself a big "No SHIT" with regards to the burden of proof stuff. Try inviting a clanner to spec one of his own when you catch em aimbotting or ex_interpping it up. See what happens. (Oh yeah, ask them where you can email a demo, and see how many laughs you get before you get banned)

Funny...since you seem to think that Voogru is the shittiest place in the NS community, why don't you go see what happens when you ask someone to spec there or ask where you can send a demo? Their forums can be found at http://forums. voogru.com/

[Hamel]

Hotfoot, you're right

[Strate_Egg]

Actually, Cheating in FPS is almost a national past time. Lots of people do it, and you do get banned for pointing it out. One example of a game such as that is Aliens vs predator II. Cloaked preds standing still from all the way across the map getting sniped in the head with a rifle. Its not possible if you are in the middle of nowhere and not moving.

People tend to do a few other tricks in order to cheat as well.

Clans that i have seen don't help, because the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. When weird shit happens, and they all laugh, its usuall some big cheating.

[Strate_Egg]

Also, when the "clan" tells you waht weapons you can and cannot use, and then they turn around and use the same shit on you....that says what clans are about. They win because they fix it so they do. If they didnt have their "rules" as they put it, they lose.

[TheFeniX]

Bullshit admins are what drove me to hating clans even back in the JK1 days. It's nothing new, you just have to find a good server. I spend 99% of my NS time of the Deadclan server and these guys don't fuck around like some other krated clans. Texas HK is also another good example as is Evil clan public.

Remember, the Half-life engine is so dated that almost any jack-off with an Internet connection can play it. It doesn't require any kind of dedicated gamer/great hardware to play.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

I've never had much trouble with Quake clans in the OSP (www.orangesmoothie.org yeah I thought 'wtf' too) Instagib and CTF scenes. I've had absolutely nothing but good experiences with members of <-gLu->, [NAD], [ZPG], RoS, and =FoC= while playing OSP CTF/iCTF. Most of these guys also populate the Freeze Tag and UFreeze serverz too, so they're hella kewl. QPong: Expect to play with the likes of Pappy-R, Hellchick, IceStorm (he likes playing at <-gLu->). Watch your balls tho. Rocket Arena? Pfeh, Fuck them, I don't know anyone on RA3 anymore, plus they're all rude ego trippers. Nothing else remarkable about it. If you don't mind all the LPBs with their 10 ping lightning guns and swingin em around like the way they pee right after sex, killing you within half a second of contact, then by all means hop in! If this aint your idea of phun, try Vanilla Q3. N00bZ Ahoy! Easy frags, especially if you're a Railer like me...

Above all else: MAKE SURE YOU PLAY ON PUNKBUSTER ENABLED SERVERZ!!!

[Hotfoot]

Actually, Cheating in FPS is almost a national past time. Lots of people do it, and you do get banned for pointing it out. One example of a game such as that is Aliens vs predator II. Cloaked preds standing still from all the way across the map getting sniped in the head with a rifle. Its not possible if you are in the middle of nowhere and not moving.

People tend to do a few other tricks in order to cheat as well.

Clans that i have seen don't help, because the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. When weird shit happens, and they all laugh, its usuall some big cheating.

Meanwhile, I often get accused of cheating in many games that I play. JK1, JK2, NS, T2, and so on. People get owned so badly they can't imagine any other possibility than that the other person HAD to be cheating. Since people in clans tend to dedicate a fair amount of time towards improving their skills in a given game, of COURSE they are going to completely own somebody who only plays occasionally. It's like having a couch potato who plays catch with his kid on the weekends facing down the local minor league team, having only other couch potato dads (with maybe a few minor league players) on his team.

I have had people quit servers screaming "U FUKING CHEATER" because I was dominating the server. Do I cheat? No. They just sucked. For whatever reason, they sucked. Maybe it was that they relied on a single method for kills (grip dropping, for example), which I adapted to. Maybe it was that they couldn't aim, or didn't have their force powers bound to useful hotkeys for quick use. Or maybe they were so reliant on saber combat that they couldn't adequately defend against weapons used intelligently. In the end, it didn't matter. I killed them more often than they killed me, so obviously I'm a fucking cheater. Right. I wasn't even in a clan for JK2: JO, and I managed to get more than a fair amount of crap like this directed at me. Imagine if I had been a member of a clan, constantly practicing with other people of around my skill level to improve my online skills. Imagine if a clanmate and I joined the same server and (gasp) joined the same team. The cries of "OMG U FUKING CHEATERZ" would resonate throughout the servers.

It's a fucking unfair stereotype to call clanners cheaters. Some clans do cheat, this is true, but you can usually avoid those fuckwits. After all, they tend to advertise themselves pretty well. I've had plenty of clan-related experiences in which cheating was never a real issue. The biggest problems I've ever had with clans is the fucked up social structure some of them seem to form after a while. You usually have the "core" members, who are in charge, then the unwashed masses that flock to them for whatever reason. Then starts the backstabbing, the bullshit, the sycophants, and so on. Eventually, the people who were originally in charge get bored or move on, and the clan either fragments or is twisted into some freakish perversion of what it originally was.

By far, the best thing to do is just get a bunch of like-minded people together and form a "clan" with no real rules, just having fun, but I digress.

[Hamel]

Bullshit admins are what drove me to hating clans even back in the JK1 days. It's nothing new, you just have to find a good server. I spend 99% of my NS time of the Deadclan server and these guys don't fuck around like some other krated clans. Texas HK is also another good example as is Evil clan public.

Remember, the Half-life engine is so dated that almost any jack-off with an Internet connection can play it. It doesn't require any kind of dedicated gamer/great hardware to play.

Most HK members used flashlight bldg exploit back in the day, so I wasn't quite endeared to them. The server is ok though

[Howedar]

Most Firearms clans are okay.

[Mitth`raw`nuruodo]

I love my local CS clans. I love them all. Well, mostly....

I understand where you were coming from Hamel, but that isn't the case in most CS servers I play on.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

By far, the best thing to do is just get a bunch of like-minded people together and form a "clan" with no real rules, just having fun, but I digress.

Sounds exactly like <-gLu->!