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Yeah, those first 10 levels are awful. But since I went with cruisers since my ships still handle like dogshit :D On the other hand cruisers just are Star Trek to me, I really enjoy maneuvering my Sovereign around to go from full broadside to torpedo slaughter. The game has many, many, many flaws, but the space combat, for all it's simplicity (compared to something like EVE) feels pretty right.

I'm level 44 now, and while I look forward to unboxing the Odyssey - I really think that levelling goes a bit too fast in this game. OTOH the real fun in MMOs starts once you're max level, so it's probably time to start looking for a fleet...
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I play pretty regularly, though the new Cardassian Drop Boxes are annoying. It's an attempt to get money from us by making us spend Cryptic Points to open the boxes, which might or might not have items worth the money you invested. That's really my only complaint.
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I play it on my laptop, and for some reason it sometimes goes completely off (as in, I need to completely reboot the thing) in the middle of a game :?
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Stofsk wrote:Currently I'm a level 3 nobody LT in command of a Centaur. I really, really want a spaceship that doesn't handle like dogshit.
You can either 'grin and bear it' to level 10, or (particularly if using an alt) buy yourself a TOS Constitution (TV version), an NX or an Oberth for $5 each (400 C-Points). It'll be up to you whether it's worth it to spend $5 to make these first ten levels go faster (someone else said that it's too quick to be worth $5), but at least the C-Store ships are unlocked for all characters of that faction on your account, unlike the free ships (which normally cost Refined Dilithium).

Got myself a Galaxy-class ("Exploration Cruiser") as my level 30 freebie, paid out 1200 C-Points (equivalent to $15) accumulated from my lifetime subscription for the Sao Paulo-class Defiant variant ("Tactical Escort Refit"), and when my Tactical Officer alt hits 30 he'll be able to just go straight to the Sao Paulo... so for the lulz, I may give him the Intrepid-class ("Long Range Science Vessel") as his freebie. :lol:

At level 10 though, you'll be promoted to LT CDR and get a token good for any one LT CDR level (Tier 2) ship, such as the Constitution-class refit from the TOS movies ("Cruiser"), an Escort, or a Nova-class ("Science Vessel").
Baffalo wrote:I play pretty regularly, though the new Cardassian Drop Boxes are annoying. It's an attempt to get money from us by making us spend Cryptic Points to open the boxes, which might or might not have items worth the money you invested. That's really my only complaint.
Fortunately it's "only" 100 C-Points per key, so if you're diligent at Dilithium grinding -- which is NOT at all hard -- you can avoid paying for C-Points; doing the Investigate Officer Reports (do three community-authored missions) daily and searching for "quickie" (use the panel just outside the transporter room of Earth Spacedock) results in a very quick 1440 Dilithium Ore. Also do the War Zones repeatable mission at Ker'rat constantly, since you just have to be in the same instance for a completed War Zone to count and you may hop between instances; that's 1440 Dilithium Ore per turn-in (per three completed War Zones). You'll run up against the 8000/day refining limit, so assuming you hit that limit every day you'll be looking at about 100 CP per three days at the current exchange rates.

From what I've read, the Cardassian Lock Boxes actually stop dropping on March 19th, but people realized that they're dropping so frequently that the "drop box" market crashed... the "real" C-Point sink is going to be in Lock Boxes - Gold, as they're bound to the character, so considering how easy it is to grind up Dilithium Ore, there's no reason not to open it, plus they have a smaller 'drop' table.

I've already heard the server-wide "character@name has been issued a Galor-class Cardassian cruiser" messages compared to a casino-style "someone has won!" alert...
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I love the conspiracy theories frothing about over the Galor messages. 'Those aren't even real accounts, they're just making them up so we think people are getting Galors!' Yeah. Right. The Galor was on the grassy knoll, it wasn't a bullet at all; it was an orbital strike that did Kennedy in. :lol:
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Has anyone done the first mission to the new 2800 stuff? And if so are they having trouble turning it in. I've had to repeat it twice and every time I get to the point where I'm suppose to hail star fleet it's is acting as if I haven't done anything in the mission at all. I've done it alone, I've done it with other people, I've dropped it and retook the mission a bunch too and it still wont let me finish it. Is it suppose to do that or am I doing something stupidly wrong and am now cursed to play baby-sit the ambassadors forever?
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I kinda dislike flying Escorts. Too front-centric, not that interesting. Plus the severe downside of being unable to rotate your shields away when taking too much fire in one arc and maintaining damage. So far, not too happy with my Akira. Nor was I with the old Saber, so I guess that's not too surprising.

The Nova was a blast though. I really enjoyed that little thing. I'll look forward to an Intrepid next.
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Nephtys wrote:The Nova was a blast though. I really enjoyed that little thing. I'll look forward to an Intrepid next.
Hmm, with my science officer (not yet level 10) I actually intend to hold off until level 20 before taking a ship turn-in, to see if the promotion-tied ship requisitions stack -- that is, if I go to level 20 without redeeming the level 10 token, will I have both tokens when I go to pick up my level 20 ship?

From what I'm told, Escorts really kick off once you land the Defiant.

Sorry Atias, not sure where your problem is stemming from as I've been able to clear it, although it does seem disjointed and buggy at times.
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Tim is certain to get an Excelsior at the earliest opportunity. So I figure I better go for a Defiant or other escort (we're both playing tactical officers).

I don't mind wallowing around like a whale if it means I have a ton of phasers and photorps, like the heavier cruisers get. But the entry-level ships are poop, so it would be nice to have something that can either turn really fast or turn slow but has a lot of stan-up firepower.

I'm also thinking of making a science officer alt and get myself a Titan. :) They're my favourite EU non-canon ship.
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I started playing this one before I left to come out to this job....ended up buying myself a Connie and NX off of the C-store, cause, well, I wanted to fly in style, and nothing says style like a TOS Constitution Class.

Space combat is nice, I'm actually liking ground combat when I use the "shooter" method (they need to refine it a bit more though). I'm still having issues working around the UI, but that'll pass I get more familiar with it, and work my way to level 10 and above. Also, apparently, I'll need to buy myself character and ship slots since it's a Free Account...
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Yeah I gotta say, I don't find ground combat to be all that bad. Sure it's not like a proper shooter, and it's a little awkward, but given the bad hype I was expecting it to be dog's balls.
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Stofsk wrote:Yeah I gotta say, I don't find ground combat to be all that bad. Sure it's not like a proper shooter, and it's a little awkward, but given the bad hype I was expecting it to be dog's balls.
Naw. It used to be ludicrously easy, but since they upped the lethality of weapons it's actually possible to die...and I was never THAT unhappy with ground combat, it just really doesn't hold up well compared with space combat.
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I'm actually pleasantly surprised too that most of the missions I'm in require some sort of rudimentary puzzle solving or diplomacy. It makes the game feel a touch more like Star Trek, than two years ago, when most of my problems were solved by killing everything.

Of course, when the Holodeck malfunctions and Moriarty is trying to kill you? That's some Star Trek right there :P
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Nephtys wrote:The Nova was a blast though. I really enjoyed that little thing. I'll look forward to an Intrepid next.
Hmm, with my science officer (not yet level 10) I actually intend to hold off until level 20 before taking a ship turn-in, to see if the promotion-tied ship requisitions stack -- that is, if I go to level 20 without redeeming the level 10 token, will I have both tokens when I go to pick up my level 20 ship?
They don't. IIRC, if you look at it it'll say "LC Ship Token" or something of the sort. Which means it'll only unlock LC-level ships, even if you save it until you hit VA.
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DarkSilver wrote:I started playing this one before I left to come out to this job....ended up buying myself a Connie and NX off of the C-store, cause, well, I wanted to fly in style, and nothing says style like a TOS Constitution Class.
So far I've bought myself the Sao Paulo ("Tactical Escort Refit") and the Oberth, the latter because I paid as much for a half-pound of ham that morning and I wanted to drydock the Centaur/Miranda/Shi'Kar ASAP instead of having to grind my way to 10 with the Light Cruiser... well, that and because it's an Oberth, and a Fleet member telling me "reasons not to get an Oberth: everything that happened to Oberths in the shows and movies" was only more reason to get it. That, and I'd like to see how well its exclusive console holds up at later levels, I'm already intending to grab the Thunderchild (the "Heavy Escort Refit") of the Akira for the same reason reason.

For a similar reason, I wish I'd spent the Sao Paulo's C-Points on the Venture ("Exploration Cruiser Refit") instead and just taken the free Defiant, the Sao Paulo's phaser quad cannons just aren't as versatile as having a universal console, and it's the T5 Defiant ("Tactical Escort Retrofit") that comes with the Cloak.

Note: Although I regret having passed over an Assault Cruiser (I'm told that with enough turn rate mods it could be a sweet "beam boat," especially with eight beams), but I'm amused at how my Deep Space Science Vessel seems to exhibit Escort-like turning rates while having the better shield modifier... it's set up as a torpedo boat, so I'm running a Mk VII and two Mk VIII photon torpedo launchers in front, three Mk VIII phaser beam arrays in the back, and hamming it up with Feedback Pulse II! Seriously I like that ability.
I'm still having issues working around the UI, but that'll pass I get more familiar with it, and work my way to level 10 and above. Also, apparently, I'll need to buy myself character and ship slots since it's a Free Account...
You should be fine just subscribing for a month at $15 (equivalent to 1200 C-Points) and dropping it after that; I don't know if the 400 "promotional" points (good only towards STO unlike regular C-Points) apply if you just subscribe for a month though.
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Nephtys wrote:The Nova was a blast though. I really enjoyed that little thing. I'll look forward to an Intrepid next.
Hmm, with my science officer (not yet level 10) I actually intend to hold off until level 20 before taking a ship turn-in, to see if the promotion-tied ship requisitions stack -- that is, if I go to level 20 without redeeming the level 10 token, will I have both tokens when I go to pick up my level 20 ship?
They don't. IIRC, if you look at it it'll say "LC Ship Token" or something of the sort. Which means it'll only unlock LC-level ships, even if you save it until you hit VA.
I understand that, what I'm wondering is whether I'll still have that token plus the subsequent ones, so that I could pick up one "free" ship from each tier even when I'd passed the lower ones.
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What perks other than a character created while subscribed will stick to my account if I go gold for a month and then back to silver? It seems as if buying cryptic points and spending them on character slots etc. seems like the far better option overall if I'd also lose stuff like additional bridge officers.

Overall Cryptic seems awfully greedy compared to Turbine. In Lord of the Rings Online you keep an assload of perks (no max gold limit, fast travel routes etc.) even if you subscribe for only one month and drop subscription after that, so I'm just trying to compare here.
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My situation might be different because I was originally a subscriber and now playing free after the change (as opposed to starting free, going paid, then back to free), but I have virtually everything I was used to as a subscriber. Obviously I'd have to buy points to get store goodies, but all my officers, ships, characters, etc are all there. I'm not feeling short-changed at all on a free account.

Especially compared to DDO, where I have to stay subscribed for my shared banks, adventure access, character access, etc.
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Edward Yee wrote:I understand that, what I'm wondering is whether I'll still have that token plus the subsequent ones, so that I could pick up one "free" ship from each tier even when I'd passed the lower ones.
No reason I know of that you couldn't, though I'm not sure why you would. But you can always try it out.
charlemagne wrote:What perks other than a character created while subscribed will stick to my account if I go gold for a month and then back to silver? It seems as if buying cryptic points and spending them on character slots etc. seems like the far better option overall if I'd also lose stuff like additional bridge officers.

Overall Cryptic seems awfully greedy compared to Turbine. In Lord of the Rings Online you keep an assload of perks (no max gold limit, fast travel routes etc.) even if you subscribe for only one month and drop subscription after that, so I'm just trying to compare here.
If you're gold and get the perks, you keep them even after you revert. So as long as you earned it while gold, they'll be there. Maybe not the EC cap, but really you're not going to need it anyway. Dilithium is more valuable there.

So yeah, way I heard to do it is, if you have the free time, sub for one month and work up to VA, then let it lapse and you're good. Whether you'll get to VA in a month I dunno, depends on how many nights you can put into it I guess. It isn't that bad to level though, so I would imagine it's doable even for somebody working a normal "9 to 5" kind of job.

EDIT: And I'm just glad I got the Advanced Heavy Cruiser (Excelsior CDR level) back when it only cost ECs. I even have the Universal Transwarp Console I can switch around. :D
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charlemagne wrote:What perks other than a character created while subscribed will stick to my account if I go gold for a month and then back to silver? It seems as if buying cryptic points and spending them on character slots etc. seems like the far better option overall if I'd also lose stuff like additional bridge officers.
If it's implemented anything like Pirates of the Burning Sea which explicitly has Premium accounts and automatically gave them to any subscriber ever (as opposed to STO where there's only implicit and I don't know if former subscribers were rewarded with such), you'll keep all character slots, bridge officer slots, ship slots:
Characters will remain when switching from Gold to Silver. However, not all features that character had during Gold membership may be available to Silver players. Please note that we never delete character data. If a Gold Member cancels his or her subscription and decides to restart it at a later date, all of that Member's characters and associated items will be intact.
The "Features Matrix" describing the difference between Gold and Silver players also explicitly identifies the in-game chat, mail and forums functionality increases as being permanent for anyone who's ever subscribed or bought from the C-Store.
Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:My situation might be different because I was originally a subscriber and now playing free after the change (as opposed to starting free, going paid, then back to free), but I have virtually everything I was used to as a subscriber. Obviously I'd have to buy points to get store goodies, but all my officers, ships, characters, etc are all there. I'm not feeling short-changed at all on a free account.
Ditto, started as a lifetime subscriber, although I'm regretting not coming back to it in the period right before f2p when they were giving out some exclusives that currently aren't up on the C-store... whereas right now I'm so into it that I bought a cheap GameStop Collector's Edition for about $11. While I didn't quite save $5 on the TOS Constitution because I already had it (I'd bought the original regular edition from GameStop), the DS9/TNG uniforms (regular versions, the "open jacket" costs more money :banghead: ) would have come out to $11 together if bought from the C-Store, plus this CE alone had the Red Matter Capacitor.
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Edward Yee wrote:I understand that, what I'm wondering is whether I'll still have that token plus the subsequent ones, so that I could pick up one "free" ship from each tier even when I'd passed the lower ones.
No reason I know of that you couldn't, though I'm not sure why you would. But you can always try it out.
I'm intending to do it as one of those "is this possible" experiments I sometimes try, such as the time where I wanted to determine if one could unlock weapon attachments in Battlefield 3 through kills with "battlefield pickups" before unlocking the weapon itself (the answer is yes).
If you're gold and get the perks, you keep them even after you revert. So as long as you earned it while gold, they'll be there. Maybe not the EC cap, but really you're not going to need it anyway. Dilithium is more valuable there.
Not if you're like those people who are currently buying Galors and Mystery Package - Lock Boxes for EC... I ended up selling one for 60K EC only to be told that they were going for 250K EC. :wtf:
So yeah, way I heard to do it is, if you have the free time, sub for one month and work up to VA, then let it lapse and you're good. Whether you'll get to VA in a month I dunno, depends on how many nights you can put into it I guess. It isn't that bad to level though, so I would imagine it's doable even for somebody working a normal "9 to 5" kind of job.
I presume that this is so that one can get all of the subscribers' "free" (normally $5 each) rank-up retrain tokens? I'm guessing that they only apply if the account is subscribed when the character hits that multiple-of-10 level.

It helps that unlike WoW, even old missions scale up both the enemy NPCs and mission rewards to your level and (most of) the story missions are replayable, at least the Episodes / "whatever Front" missions.
EDIT: And I'm just glad I got the Advanced Heavy Cruiser (Excelsior CDR level) back when it only cost ECs. I even have the Universal Transwarp Console I can switch around. :D
Lucky you, I'm actually thinking of paying out for the Excelsior Cruiser Retrofit (yes yes equivalent to $20 or 4 months of C-Points) just for its Advanced Transwarp console...

P.S. Am I correct in understanding that the Thunderchild's console is time-sensitive (10 seconds / 3 minute cooldown) whereas the preorder "point defense" console was automatic and with no time limit?
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Edward Yee wrote:Not if you're like those people who are currently buying Galors and Mystery Package - Lock Boxes for EC... I ended up selling one for 60K EC only to be told that they were going for 250K EC. :wtf:
Really? Are you talking the regular lock boxes or the "gold" ones? I saw regulars going for 10EC a pop because they're kinda useless.
I presume that this is so that one can get all of the subscribers' "free" (normally $5 each) rank-up retrain tokens? I'm guessing that they only apply if the account is subscribed when the character hits that multiple-of-10 level.
All of it, really. You get the retrain tokens, as well as the inventory, bank and Boff slots which are higher. I'm not sure if there was a limit on ship slots but you'd keep that as well.
P.S. Am I correct in understanding that the Thunderchild's console is time-sensitive (10 seconds / 3 minute cooldown) whereas the preorder "point defense" console was automatic and with no time limit?
The one I got off the Digital Deluxe download from Amazon is automatic, but IIRC there are two of those out there so not sure which one you're talking about.
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So - downloading it right now to try it out.
What is a fun/decent starting build?
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I dunno about anyone else, but D'deridex warships are utter wazzocks to destroy. Having your galaxy kerploded by one wave of HPT's whilst tractor beamed has to be the most embarrassed thing I've encountered so far. Warp plasma is a damn lifesaver in that regard!
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Ugh, indeed - Warp Plasma and (Polarize Hull? which negates tractor beams) can save your bacon right away there. Though it's also fun if you have Beam Fire at Will available and get that off in time; I've managed to set a Warbird on fire from its own torpedoes like that a couple of times.
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Re: Star Trek Online is free

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I never had a problem with the Romulan Warbirds I usually take them down in one, maybe two passes from my ship, going in with rapid fire on first. Then turning around quickly with Attack Pattern Omega to negate there tractors and firing high yield torpedos a
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