A historic nation sim game proposal

[Alyrium Denryle]

I'd love to play as a Germanic type nation with a coastal region, if that's ok.

Well we have 2 of those, Dahak's and Mine. Tough if you want you can be allied with us as well... Or bitter enemies...

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Well we have 2 of those, Dahak's and Mine. Tough if you want you can be allied with us as well... Or bitter enemies...

There will be lots of Germanic nations I think. Jadeite could play the equivlant of the Kingdom of Hanover.

[Alyrium Denryle]

What are some period weapons?

What is a good population size?

Period weapons include rapiers, sabres, muskets,bayonest, pistols, daggers, boarding pikes IIRC were still used in this period to stave ff boarders... cutlasses, cannons of various types. with peasant conscripts you may find hatchets...

Population size, well due to a plague a few hundred years ago, the population of the Euopean-like nations will be lower(damn bubonic plauge).. Probably a couple million or less. It wasnt until the early 1800s that Napolean was capable of fielding armies that were several hundred thousand strong.

[Pablo Sanchez]

More details along with a name, later. I assume that Pablo's version will deny the reverence (though of course outright prayer is not given) given to the Ten Righteous Spirits and in particular to the Champion, and make it a straight up dualism and accuse us of verging towards polytheism.

Most definitely. You damn half-pagan sods.

I haven't decided which I shall be: A pseudo-Poland isolated from mother church by distance and intervening Pagan states, or a Greek nationalistic Byzantium. Both are appealing.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Population size, well due to a plague a few hundred years ago, the population of the Euopean-like nations will be lower(damn bubonic plauge).. Probably a couple million or less. It wasnt until the early 1800s that Napolean was capable of fielding armies that were several hundred thousand strong.

Actually, this is incorrect. The population of France in the era comparable to this was twenty millions, and the French Army reached a height (on paper, one grants), of four hundred thousand during the War of the Grand Alliance, not counting naval forces and local militias (though including mercenaries)--though that was the equivlant of a "bone-burning exertion" if you will.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Well we have 2 of those, Dahak's and Mine. Tough if you want you can be allied with us as well... Or bitter enemies...

There will be lots of Germanic nations I think. Jadeite could play the equivlant of the Kingdom of Hanover.

It is understandable. I am writing up a detailed descrption of my nation so...

[Alyrium Denryle]

Population size, well due to a plague a few hundred years ago, the population of the Euopean-like nations will be lower(damn bubonic plauge).. Probably a couple million or less. It wasnt until the early 1800s that Napolean was capable of fielding armies that were several hundred thousand strong.

Actually, this is incorrect. The population of France in the era comparable to this was twenty millions, and the French Army reached a height (on paper, one grants), of four hundred thousand during the War of the Grand Alliance, not counting naval forces and local militias (though including mercenaries)--though that was the equivlant of a "bone-burning exertion" if you will.

Shit I stand corrected.... Thank you. I was going off the 3 million population of the us in the late 1700s. Thank you.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Period weapons include rapiers, sabres, muskets,bayonest, pistols, daggers, boarding pikes IIRC were still used in this period to stave ff boarders... cutlasses, cannons of various types. with peasant conscripts you may find hatchets...

Boarding pikes were still in use, yes.

For combat weapons: Infantry was armed either with the fusil, or the flintlock musket. There is a slight difference between these, mainly in the weight of shot fired and the size of the barrel (also in some details of the lock IIRC); the fusil is an older design and came into service earlier. There are also some companies of Grenadiers still in service in some militaries. Grenades are metal or porcelein spheres filled with blackpowder, with a fuse, lit by a slow-match or a flint striker. They're not very effective. Grenadiers might have a half-plate of armour and always a sword; some had both sword and axe. Their effectiveness is primarily in storming fortifications.

Fusils and flintlocks alike would use the socket bayonet.

Cavalry would really depend on the type:

You have heavy cavalry of at least two types, Cuirassiers and Lancers. Cuirassiers have an armoured Cuirass (or front and backplate) and helmet, obviously, and have a brace of pistols--either wheelocks or by now the wealthy might have flintlocks--along with a sword. Lancers might have frontal armour for the horse, at most, in addition to the outfit of a Cuirassier, and carry a lance as opposed to pistols; but would also have a sword (though some might carry pistols as well; the level of armament you can stuff onto yourself whilst riding is quite astonishing).

Obviously the Cuirass is most effective in blocking a sword while fighting a-horse, but has some effect against the pistol balls of this era as well, which aren't exactly stellar in their muzzle velocity performance. At range you might even see them deflect a ball from a flintlock, but not within the range at which one would really be accurate, any way.

Other cavalry includes carabiners and dragoons-- (and women sometimes!--women who snuck into the army in this period tended to join the dragoons for some reason) the first have long arms which are, chuckle, short enough to be in theory reloaded from horseback. They can fight either on horseback or dismounted. Dragoons muskets and are largely intended to fight dismounted, though they generally would have a sword and can skirmish a-horse as well.

Next you have Hussars--there is a large variety to Hussar armament and because of the unique development of these light troops I'm not sure if they'd be around here or not so I can explain that in detail if asked.

There's also some specialty troops of course (some of the above are in cavalry terms, and grenadiers, for that matter)--but you can get Mounted Grenadiers, for example.

Most of the time even the peasantry was able to be armed with musketry when called up, though examples of armies in desperate straits equipped with pike would not be unheard of I suppose.

Artillery would be pretty varied, though not found to huge amounts. The Battle of Malplaquet in 1709, the greatest battle of the War of Spanish Succession (which lasted 14 years), and the biggest land battle in European history until the Battle of Borodino, was fought by the Maréchal de Villars, with 80,000 men and sixty guns, against the Prince Eugène of Savoy and the Duke of Marlborough, with 120,000 men and one hundred guns.

Guns would vary, in general, from around 16pdr down to 3pdr, with the largest being quite rare, and not really all that mobile. Standardization on the classic Napoleonic types had (obviously) not happened yet. I'll have more data on artillery shortly. Mortars were in use for sieges. Rockets were not used.

[Alyrium Denryle]

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[Dahak]

This is a first "draft if you will of my country. Let the experts, Marina? , take it apart <g>

Well, my Empire, the *sniff* much loved Sacrum Romanorum Imperium nationis Germanicae, or Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nationen (just like the name <g>) shares one land border with the peninsula of Aly's empire.
It's got a large mountain ridge at it's eastern side, and has a small ocean access with a large back land which is relatively mountaneous and some deep forests in it.
It is mostly economically self-sufficient and due to large natural resource deposits reasonably rich, but it is not a great mercantile power.
This led to a self-imposed isolationism, slight xenophobism, and a minor security paranoia.
Only the recent increase in colonial endeavours of its neighbours brought a change in that world view, as it doesn't wish to be let out and started to increase its naval strength.
Due to its large mines, they developed a knack for smithcraft and metalworks. The cannons they build have acchieved a reputation of durabilty and precision in the nearer vicinity.
The millitary is a professional army, with a stern tradition and rules, inspired by the Roman and Prussian tradition. They are not to be taken lighty.
It only has limited diplomatic relations with its neighbours, except Aly's country, and guards its borders with a dense network of outposts, watchpost, fortifications and castles and mountain fortresses. This also leads to a increased spending on those security measurements, which also increased the willingness to try to be more open towards other countries and towards colonialism.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Das Kaiserreich von Deutschland

Government: What do you think? The Kaiserreich is a Constitutional Monarchy the title of Kaiser is inherited, but it is not absolute. Elected officials in the form of a house of commons check the Kaiser. They have power with a ¾ vote to reverse an executive decision

National Flag



Navy Jack



Nation anthem: Edelweiss

The constitution of the Keiserreich is set up to protect the people from potential abuses by the lawmaking bodies. It protects basic freedom of expression, and property rights, as well as outlines a fair due process system.]


Religion: Religion is polytheistic, based on the Roman religion.

Geography: Das Kaiserreich is a stretch of land with a rocky coastline, dominated by well-sheltered harbors, and coastal fortresses. The interior is mostly flat oak and pine forests, and grasslands peppered with rivers, which have been cultivated for the arming of grain, and cattle. Sheep, and goats are raised in the moutain range that runs on the southern boarder, these are rich in mineral wealth.

Army: The army, though not as strong as the navy is a force to be reckoned with. Each soldier is trained in and provided with, a flintlock musket with bayonet, and is trained in the basics of fencing, and may acquire their own sword should they so choose.
Grenadiers are also in use, and are used to storm fortresses, and Cuirassiers and lancers form the backbone of the cavalry.

Navy: The navy, seeing as how the Kaiserreich has a massive coastline, is one of the strongest in the oceans. They use a balanced approach to their navy, and in addition to their massive Ships of the Line, Frigates are also used. These smaller faster ships escort the hulking warships, and provide fire support outside of formation. Kaiserreich marines are well armed, and make use of and are trained with, boarding pikes, bayonets, muskets, pistols and a variety of swords, Those specialized in it, are capable of firing a ships cannon faster than their naval counterparts, giving them an advantage in fire rate.

Culture and personality: Though it has a wealth of natural resources and is economically self-sufficient, the Kaiserreich is very mercantile, and is home to a massive merchant fleet and is beginning to colonize primitive tribes, and less developed nations to use as a market outlet for steel, wool, and other commodities
Due to this, its seaports, and entire country even are very open and are not nearly as insular as its southern neighbor. The military tradition is just as strong, though it leans more towards the maritime side of things. The navy is the pride of the country.

Their openness however, does not make them push overs. Castles and fortifications are located in strategic locations around the country, and the coastal fortresses keep pirates, and hostile powers from being able to take the only safe harbors on the rocky coast.

The climate is mild both in summer and winter, the temperature kept more constant by warm curents from the equator.

[Pablo Sanchez]

A preliminary description

Name: (officially) Roman Empire of Hellas, (commonly) Hellas or Greek Empire
Capital: Constantinopolis
Government: Monarchy with limited republican elements
(the Emperor commonly summons a parliamentary body to approve his laws though this is only customary and not legally necessary)
Current Head of State: Heraklios Konstantinos III
(aged 65 years and senile. All state functions effectively performed by Crown Prince Alexios Konstantinos)
Military: Army is professionally focussed, but substantial militias are available for call-up.
Navy is intended to maintain superiority in home waters and defend trade routes, power projection is limited.
Both bodies are well funded and have a very strong tradition.

History
The Roman Empire of Hellas is the last nation which can legitimately trace its lineage unbroken from Rome itself. The intervening centuries have caused the Greek heritage of the remaining half to become dominant, and the Greek Emperor's abandoned their traditional though unenforceable claim to rule over the non-Greek 'latin' territories long ago, during the long, difficult wars for survival. Hellas has since seen a revival of Greek culture which is equal to the popular sense of themselves as Romans (hence the "Roman" Empire of "Hellas").

State Peculiarities
Hellas has a more broadly educated populace and a greater proportion of its citizens are skilled laborers than average (as an effect of never quite falling into the dark ages). Hence, it has a superior internal cash flow and its finished products are much sought-after by the wealthy of other nations. The Emperor's are also tolerant to religious and ethnic minorities, such as they are.

Territory description
Similar to the sum of Modern Day Turkey, Syria, Greece, Bulgaria, Macedonia, and Albania (and sundry islands).

[Dahak]

To follow Aly's and Pablo's bold example

The national flag:


Military Jack


Name: Sacrum Romanorum Imperium nationis Germanicae, commonly known to it's inhabitants as the Holy Empire.

Capital: Charlottenburg

Government: autocratic monarchy. The Empire is divided into several kingdoms, which over the centuries devolved into provinces in all but name. Together the make up the High House.

Populace: Relative densly populated, with a eductaed elitePublic schooling is set to educate the populace. The country brought forth great smiths and craftsman.

National Anthem: Preußens Gloria

Religion: polytheistic Roman religion

Head of State: Kaiser Friedrich V, 30, recently acquired the throne. His chancellor, Wilhelm Grachtenburg leads his Majesty's ruling council.

Army: Standing army, one of the largest fielded army in the area, focused on heavy Cavalry and light infantry. Royal regiments of elite Husars and grenadiers. It also uses artillery and mortars to great extend. A special branch of the army exists to observe and protect the borders.

Navy: The navy is a still slightly unbalanced mix of lighter units and newly constructed larger Ships of the Line, leaning on knowledge from the Kaiserreich to its south. Generally, the Holy Empire tends to build heavier and larger ships, and unfortunately slower ones.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Um, Dahak, We are North of you, not south...

[Raptor 597]

I'll be joining. Based on a more brutal Poland-Lithuania. This shall be toothless Slavic Warriors with sharpened wooden teeth/hoarde mentality. The nation is based more on cavalry and the navy is localised and next to nil. I will be writing a description within the night.

[Dahak]

Um, Dahak, We are North of you, not south...

Geee, whatever
So youre nice peninsula is to the north of me, and my homeland extends southward. And my small shore line is to the north, then, as well...

[Alyrium Denryle]

That would be about right... though if you want, it could be the other way around...

[Sea Skimmer]

People The map is coming along. And until it can be posted, probably within the next day, mabey two I'd like people to avoid deicing where they are because there is no guarantee I can fit you where you want to be especially if your specifying geographical features beyond "I have a sea coast"

If you get too specific you will drive me insane with the task and then where just going to end up using a preexisting map of map South East Asia. I'm already considering that option since my first draft looked like utter shit.

[Captain Cyran]

My country is on a sea coast near Alyrium's country, right next to Stravo's country.

[Pablo Sanchez]

If you get too specific you will drive me insane with the task and then where just going to end up using a preexisting map of map South East Asia. I'm already considering that option since my first draft looked like utter shit.

Just make a rough map of Europe and mess with it a bit. We're all analogues of real European nations. Removing Italy, France, and Africa would be good, for example.

[Dahak]

Well, all I know is that Aly and me are in one spot, he on his peninsula, connected with my land. And a small shore line. Not even a big one for me <g>

[Pablo Sanchez]

SS, I could make a rough map of the continent in MS Paint quickly, incorporating all states I am aware of. It would be ugly as hell, but if you wanted...

[Stravo]

I'd like my nation to be as Spanish as possible, I need some access to the sea. Maybe even an Iberian like peninsula formation would be nice, Cyran's nation needs to adjoin mine at some point as they were a breakaway state.

[Sea Skimmer]

SS, I could make a rough map of the continent in MS Paint quickly, incorporating all states I am aware of. It would be ugly as hell, but if you wanted...

Na, it's coming along better now, though it needs some spicing up on one side. The initial draft however is just going to show coasts, maybe a few major rivers and a big oval to mark mountains.

I'd like my nation to be as Spanish as possible, I need some access to the sea. Maybe even an Iberian like peninsula formation would be nice, Cyran's nation needs to adjoin mine at some point as they were a breakaway state.

Well so far I've yet to fuck up the Iberian peninsula on the map. I think it could give it to you two, a current concern is having everyone fit in the amount of space of I've got.

[Sea Skimmer]

By the way, I'll need someone to host the map.