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We never asked for such permission, and we sure as hell don't want to place our men and women at risk by placing them in systems you control.

We were merely asserting that we support our ally's efforts.
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Thirdfain wrote:We never asked for such permission, and we sure as hell don't want to place our men and women at risk by placing them in systems you control.

We were merely asserting that we support our ally's efforts.
Ah, yes. The famous Floater concern, which curiously only occurs when it benefits you.
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Another example of Asgard war rhetoric, fellow sentients.
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Thirdfain wrote:Another example of Asgard war rhetoric, fellow sentients.
May we remind you it has been your allies that have threatened the Asgard with war in the course of these exchanges. We have not threatened war at all. Once again we advise the Floater government to lower their intake of narcotics.
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We wish to inform the Asgard, that we have no interest in starting a war of aggression. Though if we capture these terrorists, they will be tried by an interstellar court, to which your representatives and jury members, attourneys and judges will be welcome. We have no intention of undermining your justice system, but we also insist that our justice system be allowed to function.

You have no reason to fear that your terrorists will be treated unfairly.

However, should any attack on us, or any of ouir allies be perpetrated by any of your people...The full force of our military will come down upon you...and that is not something you want. So let us stop talk of hostilities, and let cooler heads prevail.

We also take offense to the accusations of racism among the floaters... Need we remind you, that we are not even human, and the Floaters treat us as family.

The reason they dont like the asgard is due to poor diplomatic relations.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:We wish to inform the Asgard, that we have no interest in starting a war of aggression. Though if we capture these terrorists, they will be tried by an inter4stellar court, to which your representatives and jury members, attouneys and judges will be welcome. We have no intention of undermining your justice system, but we also insist that our justice system be allowed to function.

You have no reason to fear that your terrorists will be treated unfairly.
That you will no doubt execute them to please the Floaters is clearly cause for concern. That you call a guerilla war piracy suggests to me that this will no doubt be the case.
Alyrium Denryle wrote:However, should any attack on us, or any of ouir allies be perpetrated by any of your people...The full force of our military will come down upon you...and that is not something you want. So let us stop talk of hostilities, and let cooler heads prevail.
You have been threatening me, not the other way around. Your continued talk of war and threats worry this government as it seems a replay of the posturing begun before the Floater War.

And I will make it clear. No armed vessel of the Floaters, NRE, Monarocan, or Krytos may enter an Asgard controlled system or it will be treated as a hostile vessel and detained.
Alyrium Denryle wrote:We also take offense to the accusations of racism among the floaters... Need we remind you, that we are not even human, and the Floaters treat us as family.
We have made no accusations of racism. Your eagerness refute non-existant charges is certainly curious.
Alyrium Denryle wrote:The reason they dont like the asgard is due to poor diplomatic relations.
Which are the fault of their own actions. The break in diplomatic relations was their choice, not ours.
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From: Fenris, ITASF Ministry of Securuity
All: Outlaws, Rebels, Pirates, Revolutionaries, Gangs, Cartels, Privateers, and others

<While the ITASF is currently gearing up major production of our soon to be standardized Military. The ITASF has been mandated to provide a secure trade routes for ALL merchant ships. For the next six standard months any and all persons operating out side the law, have the option of turning them selves into any ITASF branch, joining the ITASF Legion, and recieving a full pardon, plus seperation bonus upon end of Tour of Duty. After the amnesty period, if you are a threat to commercial shiping we will be hunting you.>
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Which are the fault of their own actions. The break in diplomatic relations was their choice, not ours.
The Asgard had the choice: They could side with the Kokand, in their deliberate provocations, or they could side with us. They chose. We did not fire a shot at an Asgard vessel until they first opened fire on our vessels. At the time, our form of government, based on popular vote, forced us into breaking ties with your government, due to the feelings of general resentment and betrayal that your firing on a harmless Floater vessel incurred.
That you will no doubt execute them to please the Floaters is clearly cause for concern. That you call a guerilla war piracy suggests to me that this will no doubt be the case.
We ask that our allies in Durandel's Empire cease requesting that the Asgard send the pirates to an international court. The Asgard will obviously not bend to the wishes of the galaxy proper, or those who have been most harmed by the action of Kokander pirates. Attempting to force them to accept an international court may well require military effort, something we have no wish of applying to those who have commited no crime more serious than slander.

We will turn any pirates we capture over to the Asgard, in an attempt to put an end to this ridiculous debate. We are certain that their justice system will deal with the pirates fairly- The Asgard are many things, but they are not ones to allow deserters free.

We respect their wishes in this matter. To push for a more just trial will bring nothing but increased hostility.

Once again, we will turn any pirates captured over to NBA authorities.
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To: ITA Minister of Security (Fenris), general ITA Broadcast
From: Asgard Admiralty (BuShips)
Re: ITASF Ships

The Asgard would like to congratulate you on your new position. We look forward to working with you to ensure the future of the ITASF. Also included is our plan for organizing the ITASF into a professional defense force.

The Ships

We have analysed the needs of the ITASF and have formulated a proposal for six classes of ships, a corvette (aka patrol craft), frigate, destroy, light cruiser, heavy cruiser and an escort carrier. We feel this would give the ITASF the flexibility it needs to deal with ordinary operations.

All will be using a ion-drive and fusion reactor. We felt that both offer a better cost and operational reliability than more exotic options. As a measure to keep them from becoming an offensive force they will carry only fuel for limited operations.

They (execept for the carrier) will be armed with a mix of laser and ion-drive missles. We are aware that the Chancellor wish to use non-lethal weapons but those simply lack the power to handle pirates without exposing themselves to un-necessary losses and damage. We intend to give all the vessels heavy sheilding for their sides and lots of point defense.

Necessary systems to be outsourced: Inertial compensators, sheilds, and fighters.

We will be accepting bids for those systems and will accept proposal for outsourcing of other parts.
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To: Asgard BuShips
From: Sultana Cluster General Spaceworks
Re: Fighter design

The freemen/lovebound of the Sultana Cluster General Spaceworks, Taiga system, would like to offer our latest strike-craft designs to the ITASF. We currently produce two fighter designs, one interceptor model armed with lasers and antifighter missiles, and one strike-craft model armed with short-range anti-capship missiles and a single-shot AM cannon. Both designs are propelled by fusion torchdrives, giving them superior acceleration. The interceptor model includes a DE-designed gravetic drive for agile combat maneuvers, and is well suited for defending against enemy missile or fighter strikes. Our strike craft design sheds the gavetic drive for a heavier shielding system and larger torchdrives, allowing it to arrive on-target and then escape in record time.

Both designs can be mounted with either a drone pilot AI pod, or accomodations for a live pilot.

We have over 560 units of both in stock, and can construct more per order.

Name your price.
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Re:Inertial compensation

We have analyzed your request and believe that the export model of our inertial compensators would fill your needs admirably. There are several hundred devices currently in stock. More can be produced as needed.
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Thirdfain wrote:To: Asgard BuShips
From: Sultana Cluster General Spaceworks
Re: Fighter design

The freemen/lovebound of the Sultana Cluster General Spaceworks, Taiga system, would like to offer our latest strike-craft designs to the ITASF. We currently produce two fighter designs, one interceptor model armed with lasers and antifighter missiles, and one strike-craft model armed with short-range anti-capship missiles and a single-shot AM cannon. Both designs are propelled by fusion torchdrives, giving them superior acceleration. The interceptor model includes a DE-designed gravetic drive for agile combat maneuvers, and is well suited for defending against enemy missile or fighter strikes. Our strike craft design sheds the gavetic drive for a heavier shielding system and larger torchdrives, allowing it to arrive on-target and then escape in record time.

Both designs can be mounted with either a drone pilot AI pod, or accomodations for a live pilot.

We have over 560 units of both in stock, and can construct more per order.

Name your price.
Both models sound interesting. The interceptor sounds fine. But anti-matter is too susceptible to containment loss for us to allow it shipboard so we must reject the stike version. If you are able to a probuce version with out that features we would be happy to consider them.
Raxmei wrote:To: BuShips
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Re:Inertial compensation

We have analyzed your request and believe that the export model of our inertial compensators would fill your needs admirably. There are several hundred devices currently in stock. More can be produced as needed.
(specifications enclosed)
We would be happy to accept those. They will fit the needs admirably. Quantity will depend of how much is eventually authorized by the Chancellor.
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Stormbringer wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:Another example of Asgard war rhetoric, fellow sentients.
May we remind you it has been your allies that have threatened the Asgard with war in the course of these exchanges. We have not threatened war at all. Once again we advise the Floater government to lower their intake of narcotics.
I might point out to you that my reference to "preventing a war" was in reference to your remark about going to war if we tried to bring these pirates to Justice.
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IDEX take Two

In an effort to try and re-broker politcal peace we are going to try and perform another IDEX. This time we will hold it on Earth, however, and we wwill be hosting it in our Nippon Provinvce. All nations are invited, and all ground based weapons are allowed to enter after you clear them with us and customs. You may bring a bodyguard unit with you as long as it is beneath one lance of men. Also we will be showcasing some of our land technology, and will be selling two hundred surplus Dragoon Helicopters to those who are interested.

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To: Asgard BuShips
From: Sultana Cluster General Spaceworks
Re: Fighter design

Our designs are quite modular, and easily retrofittable. We can replace the AM containment pod and weapon with a light railgun, an ECM pod, or a point-defense cluster. Additionally, we can eliminate the forwards weapon pod entirely, and increase the fighter's acceleration.

Would you be liking the Drone version, or the human-piloted version?

It is your choice!
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ATTN: ITA Minister of Defense
Subj:Our Marines

This is an offical decleration that we will be recalling from your command in two days due to worries over how they would be used.

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Thirdfain wrote:To: Asgard BuShips
From: Sultana Cluster General Spaceworks
Re: Fighter design

Our designs are quite modular, and easily retrofittable. We can replace the AM containment pod and weapon with a light railgun, an ECM pod, or a point-defense cluster. Additionally, we can eliminate the forwards weapon pod entirely, and increase the fighter's acceleration.

Would you be liking the Drone version, or the human-piloted version?

It is your choice!
To: Sultana Cluster General Spaceworks
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Re: Fighter design

Would it be possible to equip it with a heavy laser rather than a AM cannon? That would be the desires module.

And we would like to see them piloted by sentient being rather than drones. Though should manning become an issue we would consider the drone version instead.
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ATTN: Monacoran Government
FROM: UFR Department of Diplomacy and War
SUBJ: ITA marine movements
-secure transmission-

Please, good allies- we ask you to return your soldiers to ITA control. I may like to remind you that the Asgard, while prominent members of the ITA, are not going to use the ITASF to commit any crimes, or to threaten Monacoran interests. The ITA is the one thing that unites all sentients in the galaxy, and, as such, is quite important to us. As allies, who have given much for our Monacoran brothers, we ask you once again to return your soldiers to the ITA. It is a symbol of unilateralism that the Asgard hawks will likely latch on to as a tool to furthur their militaristic goals.

Do not worry about the ITA- the Minmatar and the Fenari are trustworthy, and your allies control a large percentage of the ITA vote. No Monacoran soldier will die from Asgard misuse, we promise you this.

Keep in mind that despite the vitriol the Asgard spew over our people, we maintain our ITASF forces, supporting them at every turn. We ask that you do the same.
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To: Asgard BuShips
From: Sultana Cluster General Spaceworks
Re: Fighter design

We can arrange for heavy laser modules. As for the piloting modules, we are glad you prefer the sentient-piloted version, because we have far more in stock (they are the modules used by the Xanadu Navy, which is our primary in-system customer.)

We can begin delivery of the interceptors immediatly, via local merchantmen, and strike craft varients in less then a month.
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It is a symbol of unilateralism that the Asgard hawks will likely latch on to as a tool to furthur their militaristic goals.

Do not worry about the ITA- the Minmatar and the Fenari are trustworthy, and your allies control a large percentage of the ITA vote. No Monacoran soldier will die from Asgard misuse, we promise you this.

Keep in mind that despite the vitriol the Asgard spew over our people, we maintain our ITASF forces, supporting them at every turn. We ask that you do the same.
We must ask why it is you can not bury the hatchet? Why does the frightening rhetoric continue from the Floater, Durandalian and Monarocan governments? The Asgard are willing to live peacefully with our neighbors. We, even now, working with your allies peacefully. It is our desire to end this pointless conflict.
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Thirdfain wrote:To: Asgard BuShips
From: Sultana Cluster General Spaceworks
Re: Fighter design

We can arrange for heavy laser modules. As for the piloting modules, we are glad you prefer the sentient-piloted version, because we have far more in stock (they are the modules used by the Xanadu Navy, which is our primary in-system customer.)

We can begin delivery of the interceptors immediatly, via local merchantmen, and strike craft varients in less then a month.
To: Sultana Cluster General Spaceworks
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Re: Fighter design

We will not commit to anything until later in the project both to meet the Chancellors desire for competitive contracting and for man power asessments. However the Floater design appears to be the best choice so far. Can you send data on their performance and might we be able to arrange a demonstration?
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We must ask why it is you can not bury the hatchet? Why does the frightening rhetoric continue from the Floater, Durandalian and Monarocan governments? The Asgard are willing to live peacefully with our neighbors. We, even now, working with your allies peacefully. It is our desire to end this pointless conflict.
We must ask why you find it necessary to read our diplomatic coded transmissions? We must ask why you display only the second half of the message, completely ignoring the part which urged our allies to put an end to their unilateralism, and return their troops to the ITA.

We admit, we do not trust the Asgard completely. How could we? But we are trying to show them that we mean well. We have already forsaken our own justice system, and agreed to return captured pirates to the Asgard. We are urging our allies to drop their war rhetoric.

It is simply hard to continue the peace process when Asgard transmissions labelling us and our allies as "lap dogs" and "warmongers."
It is made doubly hard by Kokand attacks on our peaceful, unarmed convoys.

We support the ITA, and we will not allow any one power to manipulate it for their benefit.
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Thirdfain wrote:ATTN: Monacoran Government
FROM: UFR Department of Diplomacy and War
SUBJ: ITA marine movements
-secure transmission-

Please, good allies- we ask you to return your soldiers to ITA control. I may like to remind you that the Asgard, while prominent members of the ITA, are not going to use the ITASF to commit any crimes, or to threaten Monacoran interests. The ITA is the one thing that unites all sentients in the galaxy, and, as such, is quite important to us. As allies, who have given much for our Monacoran brothers, we ask you once again to return your soldiers to the ITA. It is a symbol of unilateralism that the Asgard hawks will likely latch on to as a tool to furthur their militaristic goals.

Do not worry about the ITA- the Minmatar and the Fenari are trustworthy, and your allies control a large percentage of the ITA vote. No Monacoran soldier will die from Asgard misuse, we promise you this.

Keep in mind that despite the vitriol the Asgard spew over our people, we maintain our ITASF forces, supporting them at every turn. We ask that you do the same.
To: Floater Republics
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Our reaction has nothing to do with the Asgard control of the fleet branch, our reaction has to do with the ITA being turned into a military force. It has been our policy for many years past never to allow another nation to get a fighting force anywhere close to the quality of our troops, even our training your troops made many stomachs qualm in the command structure. If we let the ITA use troops of our quality we would feel threatened and have to act, thus we removed them peaceably and as quietly as possible.
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To: Asgard BuShips
From: Sultana Cluster General Spaceworks
Re: Fighter design

The intercepter, model name "Jannissary" has a Fusion torch rated at 1500gs of linear acceleration, and a gravetic maneuvering drive, which is rated at 500 gs, but can literally turn or stop on a dime. It mounts three x-ray lasers, with .2 AU maximum range, and carries up to 25 antifighter strike missiles, with either bomb-pumped laser warheads or nuclear porximity blasts. The missiles can be replaced with miniature ECM decoys, if needed. The interceptor model's shields can take 5-20 hits from modern fighter mounted laser or particle beam weapons, but will not take close range nuclear proximity blasts or a hit from any bomb-pumped laser in use today.

The strike craft, model name "Succubus B/Navy," is the standard strike craft of the current United Republican Navy, and its performance specs are well known. It has served with distinction. In the recent four hour war, it was the Succubus B model, lauched from First Fleet attack carriers, which did so well at ravaging Kokand warships. The model we wil be releasing to you (if we win the contract) will be the "Succubus B/ITA," and trades the Navy model's AM cannon for a heavy laser. The laser's overcharged design allows it to inflict heavy damage in one or two shots, but it must then recharge it's capacitors from it's reactor- making it well suited for the strike role, where it is expected to hit the target and then run. It has a linear acceleration on it's fusion torch of 1750 Gs, and shields capable of taking capital ship's nuclear prox-bursts as close as 2 kilometers away. It is armored and shielded well enough to take 5-6 hits from a capital ship's point defense guns.
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We must ask why you find it necessary to read our diplomatic coded transmissions? We must ask why you display only the second half of the message, completely ignoring the part which urged our allies to put an end to their unilateralism, and return their troops to the ITA.
Your broadcast went out in the clear. It must be a transimission error. We regret inadventantly intercepting a private transmission.

We ask because you request was followed by such rhetoric. It is troubling to say the least.
We admit, we do not trust the Asgard completely. How could we? But we are trying to show them that we mean well. We have already forsaken our own justice system, and agreed to return captured pirates to the Asgard. We are urging our allies to drop their war rhetoric.
We are not asking to warm and fuzzy feelings at the drop of the hat, nor ever. But we do wish to have a civil, working relationship with your nations. Your own stance and behaviour has likewise made it difficult. Especially since roughly half our population blames you for the necessity of the Kokand Anexation and the Floater War.
It is simply hard to continue the peace process when Asgard transmissions labelling us and our allies as "lap dogs" and "warmongers."
Likewise when your nations make unfounded accusations and threaten us.
It is made doubly hard by Kokand attacks on our peaceful, unarmed convoys.
Which we are working to put an end to. And your treatment of the Kokand has not done much to endear you to it's former citizens and indeed many Asgard-born as well.
We support the ITA, and we will not allow any one power to manipulate it for their benefit.
A goal the Asgard also holds. We are merely trying to ensure that it's branches are effective and functional. And given the ineffectiveness of the ITASF it became clear it needed to be properly organized. We stepped up to deal with a problem.
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