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The Yosemite Bear wrote:From: Fenris, ITASF Ministry of Securuity
All: Outlaws, Rebels, Pirates, Revolutionaries, Gangs, Cartels, Privateers, and others

<While the ITASF is currently gearing up major production of our soon to be standardized Military. The ITASF has been mandated to provide a secure trade routes for ALL merchant ships. For the next six standard months any and all persons operating out side the law, have the option of turning them selves into any ITASF branch, joining the ITASF Legion, and recieving a full pardon, plus seperation bonus upon end of Tour of Duty. After the amnesty period, if you are a threat to commercial shiping we will be hunting you.>
We as ITA members oppose this action of giving amnesty to criminals who come to the ITASF, and then even rewarding them!
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We're guessing that the honorable representative from the Monacoran Empire hadn't paid very much attention to the fact the the Fenari's trade minister was a former pirate.
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Beowulf wrote:We're guessing that the honorable representative from the Monacoran Empire hadn't paid very much attention to the fact the the Fenari's trade minister was a former pirate.
I don't care what the Fenrai do with themselves, but what they do to this organization does matter to us. We oppose this act, and will oppose it until it is removed from the books.
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Very soon now bidding opens on a design for new fighters and bombers for the UPK Navy. As the premier military research and development corporation in the UPK, we are interested in procuring FTL drive technology that can be fitted to fighters and bombers. The fighters we currently have on the drawing board measure between 8 and 14 metres and the bombers measure 60 metres. Thank you.
The KSN developed a hyperdrive for a non-existant heavy fighter design (the design was scrapped due to time and money constraints) that was 60 meters in lenght, we have four hundred of them sitting in a warehouse.
We also use hyperdrive on our craft. We would be most interested in purchasing one of these prototypes. Our finance department will arrange terms of payment.
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ATTN: Asgard Diplomatic Office
FROM: UFR Department of Diplomacy and War
SUBJ: Possible tools for ending hostilities

Much of what your diplomatic communications have said make sense. We would be interested in improving our ties with the Asgard Empire in the long run. We believe that it would be possible to eventually put an end to aggression between our nations, and we believe that renewed ties could be extremely profitable for both our nations.

Our suggestion goes thusly:

The governing council of the United Floater Republics will issue a freecast apology to the people of the Kokand Empire, including the families of those killed in the Four Hour War. and Floater civilian assets will be diverted to reconstruction throughout the former Empire. Military assistance, of a limited scale, would be allowed if requested.

The governing body of the Asgard Empire will issue a freecast apology to the people of the New Roman Empire and the Monacoran empire , as well as the families of those slain in the Black Alice massacre. Asgard assistance will be lent to the clean-up and repair crews in the areas devastated in the nuclear strike.

Should these measures be successful, we would welcome an increased trade partnership with the Asgard Empire.

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We hope that this is a blueprint for peace the Asgard can accept. This entire document is negotiable.
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Thirdfain wrote:ATTN: Asgard Diplomatic Office
FROM: UFR Department of Diplomacy and War
SUBJ: Possible tools for ending hostilities

Much of what your diplomatic communications have said make sense. We would be interested in improving our ties with the Asgard Empire in the long run. We believe that it would be possible to eventually put an end to aggression between our nations, and we believe that renewed ties could be extremely profitable for both our nations.

Our suggestion goes thusly:

The governing council of the United Floater Republics will issue a freecast apology to the people of the Kokand Empire, including the families of those killed in the Four Hour War. and Floater civilian assets will be diverted to reconstruction throughout the former Empire. Military assistance, of a limited scale, would be allowed if requested.

The governing body of the Asgard Empire will issue a freecast apology to the people of the New Roman Empire and the Monacoran empire , as well as the families of those slain in the Black Alice massacre. Asgard assistance will be lent to the clean-up and repair crews in the areas devastated in the nuclear strike.

Should these measures be successful, we would welcome an increased trade partnership with the Asgard Empire.

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We hope that this is a blueprint for peace the Asgard can accept. This entire document is negotiable.
It is an acceptable deal and we hope your allies will accept it as well, we only ask that you drop the claims the Black Alice incident was deliberate massacre. It was merely a unfortunate incident for both sides. We do regret the war and that which forced both sides to it. An apology will help ease tensions and probably help calm anti-Floater sentiment.

We have already made repraritions and assistance for the victims of the Kokand attack. If any more is needed we will help make things right.

Our repair/rebuilding needs are minimal. Mostly just economic aide to help end the slump in the Kokand economy. Military assistance at this point would be very counter productive and mostly encourage groups like the Black Forest Group.
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:From: Fenris, ITASF Ministry of Securuity
All: Outlaws, Rebels, Pirates, Revolutionaries, Gangs, Cartels, Privateers, and others

<While the ITASF is currently gearing up major production of our soon to be standardized Military. The ITASF has been mandated to provide a secure trade routes for ALL merchant ships. For the next six standard months any and all persons operating out side the law, have the option of turning them selves into any ITASF branch, joining the ITASF Legion, and recieving a full pardon, plus seperation bonus upon end of Tour of Duty. After the amnesty period, if you are a threat to commercial shiping we will be hunting you.>
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From: ITA Chancellor

I am going to assume that you do not actually intend to follow through with that offer. The only situation in which I am prepared to allow a full pardon to these criminals would be if they play a key role in an operation to nullify at least 80 of their peers. Allowing the annihilation of a pirate base would be an example of a pardonable act.

If they just turn themselves in I might consider a reduced sentence, but that is all.
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ATTN: Asgard Diplomatic Office
FROM: UFR Department of Diplomacy and War
SUBJ: Possible tools for ending hostilities
-Secure diplomatic communication-


We are very glad you have decided to accept the terms of this agreement. We believe that in the long run, our two nations will be able to forget old arguments and come to full terms.

We hold to our belief that the Kokanders were in the wrong during the Black Alice incident, but we will keep our feelings to ourselves. With your apology to our people, the incident will eventually be forgotten. Our government will act as if the events at the IDCEX never happened, and will cease investigating the Kokanders.

The economy of the Floater Republics is still strong. We will do what we can to assist the Kokanders- increased trade relationships will be the best method for acheiving that end.

As for our allies, we are certain that our brothers in Durandel's Empire will go with the agreement, as will the Krytos and the Soirhytez. As for the Monacorans and the Romans, your apology should suffice. As this agreement asks nothing of them, they should comform to it quite easily.

We thank the Asgard Empire for their commitment to peace. This agreement will clean up the last of the major rivalries, and help us all to usher in an age of peace and general prosperity.
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To: ITA Chancellor
From: Asgard Foriegn Office
Re: Pardon Offer

We hope you will reconsider suspending this. We can weed out the truly objectionable pirates but this is a good way to reduce piracy. Frankly, a lot of the current crop of pirates are actually privateers hired by the NRE that were cut adrift. Aside from hard core groups from the Krytos Empire and the former Kokand Empire most would no doubt jump at the chance to go straight. If we run them through the academy and they prove satisfactory then why object to the pardons?
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Thirdfain wrote:ATTN: Asgard Diplomatic Office
FROM: UFR Department of Diplomacy and War
SUBJ: Possible tools for ending hostilities
-Secure diplomatic communication-


We are very glad you have decided to accept the terms of this agreement. We believe that in the long run, our two nations will be able to forget old arguments and come to full terms.

We hold to our belief that the Kokanders were in the wrong during the Black Alice incident, but we will keep our feelings to ourselves. With your apology to our people, the incident will eventually be forgotten. Our government will act as if the events at the IDCEX never happened, and will cease investigating the Kokanders.

The economy of the Floater Republics is still strong. We will do what we can to assist the Kokanders- increased trade relationships will be the best method for acheiving that end.

As for our allies, we are certain that our brothers in Durandel's Empire will go with the agreement, as will the Krytos and the Soirhytez. As for the Monacorans and the Romans, your apology should suffice. As this agreement asks nothing of them, they should comform to it quite easily.

We thank the Asgard Empire for their commitment to peace. This agreement will clean up the last of the major rivalries, and help us all to usher in an age of peace and general prosperity.
To: UFR Department of Diplomacy and War
From: Asgard Foriegn Office
Re: Ending Hostilities

We will not lie to you. Such a reconciliation will be long ways off. A great deal of your still resent the Floater behaviour. We will do what we can to ensure a civil relationship. A similar offer to our allies (poarticularly the OU) will no doubt help put this to rest.

Do not forget the past. Our nation feels much the opposite of what you do but we should remember this not as a source of rancor but as a warning of how a regrettable misunderstanding can combine with nationalism to produce unfortunate results. While we can put this incident behind us we do not plan on forgetting what happened.

Economic assistance will be most welcome and we hope your allies see sense.
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Stormbringer wrote:To: ITA Chancellor
From: Asgard Foriegn Office
Re: Pardon Offer

We hope you will reconsider suspending this. We can weed out the truly objectionable pirates but this is a good way to reduce piracy. Frankly, a lot of the current crop of pirates are actually privateers hired by the NRE that were cut adrift. Aside from hard core groups from the Krytos Empire and the former Kokand Empire most would no doubt jump at the chance to go straight. If we run them through the academy and they prove satisfactory then why object to the pardons?
Hmm... very well then. I will allow the program to go ahead, but I will be keeping a close eye on it. If these 'recruits' do anything to endanger ITA trade lanes they'll be finding redemption in a penal labour colony.
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ATTN: Asgard Diplomatic Office
FROM: UFR Department of Diplomacy and War
SUBJ: Possible tools for ending hostilities
-Secure diplomatic communication-

Every long road has a first step, and this may be the first step on a very long, but ultimatly rewarding road.

We of the Council are going behind the backs of the Freemen/bondmen/lovebound who put us in office in proposing this, but we will do what we can. Our people too feel great animosity towards yours, and there are many who would like to see Floater troops occupying Kokand space rather than Asgard ones, but their voices will quiet with time.

We thank you. Your decision may save countless lives.

We will make our announcements immediatly on a public freecast. We ask that you do the same. Economic assistance will begin soon after.
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Spyder wrote:Hmm... very well then. I will allow the program to go ahead, but I will be keeping a close eye on it. If these 'recruits' do anything to endanger ITA trade lanes they'll be finding redemption in a penal labour colony.
Since I presume my offer to train the recruits, at least for the time being, has been accepted I promise to keep an eye of them. Any of them will be sent to the appropriate nation for trial should they not live up to the standards set down for them. Fair enough?

And might we suggest mind wiping as an altenative to expensive penal colonies?
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Thirdfain wrote:ATTN: Asgard Diplomatic Office
FROM: UFR Department of Diplomacy and War
SUBJ: Possible tools for ending hostilities
-Secure diplomatic communication-

Every long road has a first step, and this may be the first step on a very long, but ultimatly rewarding road.

We of the Council are going behind the backs of the Freemen/bondmen/lovebound who put us in office in proposing this, but we will do what we can. Our people too feel great animosity towards yours, and there are many who would like to see Floater troops occupying Kokand space rather than Asgard ones, but their voices will quiet with time.

We thank you. Your decision may save countless lives.

We will make our announcements immediatly on a public freecast. We ask that you do the same. Economic assistance will begin soon after.
To: UFR Department of Diplomacy and War
From: Asgard Foriegn Office
Re: Ending Hostilities

We do not have freecasts but will make it in a suitable medium, very shortly.

Our only request is that you likewise seek reconciliation with our allies as well. Some of them suffered significant casualties as well. We would very much appreciate such a gesture.

PS: You misaddressing of the transmissions is playing havoc with our comms forwarding system. It is the Asgard Foriegn Office not diplomatic office.
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Stormbringer wrote:
They (execept for the carrier) will be armed with a mix of laser and ion-drive missles. We are aware that the Chancellor wish to use non-lethal weapons but those simply lack the power to handle pirates without exposing themselves to un-necessary losses and damage. We intend to give all the vessels heavy sheilding for their sides and lots of point defense.

Necessary systems to be outsourced: Inertial compensators, sheilds, and fighters.

We will be accepting bids for those systems and will accept proposal for outsourcing of other parts.
The Akteaon Corporation would like to submit its designs for deep space recon drones. Similar design to the SWACS drones that are sold the Minmatar, the primary difference is that these drones are designed to be deployed in the field and act on their own to provide mobile sensor nets and records of movements of all ships passing through the area. The drone software has been modified to record registry information, encounter time, direction of travel and IIF codes of every vessel that comes within range. The information is stored in a central database. Once a ship is confirmed as a pirate craft then it's movements throughout ITA member systems and trade lanes can be traced.

We also have a shielding system that is designed to provide a strong defense against enemy fire for short periods of time. This differs from our military grade shielding which is designed for better protection against prolonged exposure to enemy fire. Ships with sufficient power plant output can support both shielding systems.
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--:General Freecast:--

Free Zarathrustran News Network
+--Special Report--+
LIVE from the Council Chambers, we bring you Bondman Councilor Jeffery Il Jong,voice of the Council of the Four Republics, governing body of the United Floater Republics of Zarathrustra, Kharam, Xanadu, and Mohaim

"I appear before you today, sentients, to deliver a message to the people of the Kokand Empire. When last I appeared in such a manner, it was to bring word of a war, a war which caused greivous harm to all involved- A war, which was the product of error, of mindless nationalism, and inhumane violence."

"My message to the people of the Kokand Empire is simple."

"I apologize."

"I apologize for the destruction of the nation you hold dear. I apologize for the part I, and my people, played in bringing about the events which lead to the Four Hour War, the one which destroyed so much, and acheived so little."

"As a token of my goodwill, as a token of the sorrow I feel for the actions the government I take part in has helped perpetrate, I am now authorizing the transfer of economic aid to the Asgard Empire, to assist them in rebuilding and recovering from the disaster which has befallen their nation."

"May the peace of the Void be with all brothers, sisters, and distant cousins. May the Peace of the Void be with all sentients."


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-Council Chambers-

"That was harder than I thought it would be. Now, I only hope the Asgard fill their side of the bargain... We may be remembered as those who brought peace to a bereaved galaxy. If not, well.... We will be remembered as the worst butchers in history."
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Spyder wrote:Hmm... very well then. I will allow the program to go ahead, but I will be keeping a close eye on it. If these 'recruits' do anything to endanger ITA trade lanes they'll be finding redemption in a penal labour colony.
Since I presume my offer to train the recruits, at least for the time being, has been accepted I promise to keep an eye of them. Any of them will be sent to the appropriate nation for trial should they not live up to the standards set down for them. Fair enough?

And might we suggest mind wiping as an altenative to expensive penal colonies?
Very well.

Punative measures will be decided on a case by case basis. If the charge is serious enough to warrent a mind wipe then I see no problem with this. However, for less serious offenses offer them the option of doing hard labour for a number of years. Teach them to become a productive member of society. If they refuse then mind wipe them and send them off to do hard labour anyway.
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We oppose the usage of mind-wipe. Such destruction of free will is a disgusting misuse of technology.
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Spyder wrote:The Akteaon Corporation would like to submit its designs for deep space recon drones. Similar design to the SWACS drones that are sold the Minmatar, the primary difference is that these drones are designed to be deployed in the field and act on their own to provide mobile sensor nets and records of movements of all ships passing through the area. The drone software has been modified to record registry information, encounter time, direction of travel and IIF codes of every vessel that comes within range. The information is stored in a central database. Once a ship is confirmed as a pirate craft then it's movements throughout ITA member systems and trade lanes can be traced.
Such a system would be useful. The problem is it's use in territories of soveriegn nations could cause a great deal of trouble. They would certainly be considered spy equipment. There for we suggest that purchase and deployment be put to the membership at large.
Spyder wrote:We also have a shielding system that is designed to provide a strong defense against enemy fire for short periods of time. This differs from our military grade shielding which is designed for better protection against prolonged exposure to enemy fire. Ships with sufficient power plant output can support both shielding systems.
We would prefer the military type sheilding. Defensive systems such as sheilds will be a very important component of the ships and we would like to aquire the best possible sheilds.
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{Asgard General Broadcast}

"We address this to the governments and people of the New Roman Republic and Monaroca. We are sorry for the tremendous loss of life your people suffered at the hands of the Kokand. It is was horrific act born out of desperation. Our sincerest hope is that such acts will never again occur. We will renew our offer of assitance to those affected by the tragedy.

Also we wish to apologize for the live lost aboard the Black Alice. It was a regrettable accident and I hope that you can forgive the grevious errors that brought it about.

The Asgard people wish only for peace. Our people are weary of war and want to end these hostilities once and for all."

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Thirdfain wrote:We oppose the usage of mind-wipe. Such destruction of free will is a disgusting misuse of technology.
Given the cases in which it is applied it is a far more humane measure than the previous options. It is used in cases to which the death penalty was previously applied. Surely this, which is far less permanent than death, is far preferable?

(ooc: the death penalty is still used but rarely)
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ATTN: Allied Nations
FROM: UFR Department of Diplomacy and War
SUBJ: End ot hostilities

We would ask that all our allies do all that is reasonable in ending aggression with the Asgard Empire. We of the Floater Republics are not suggesting that you stop building warships, or cease to protect your interests- We simply ask that you do all in your power to put an end to aggressions. We will stand by our allies, as always, but we ask our allies to stand with us in peace as they have in war.
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Stormbringer wrote:
Such a system would be useful. The problem is it's use in territories of soveriegn nations could cause a great deal of trouble. They would certainly be considered spy equipment. There for we suggest that purchase and deployment be put to the membership at large.
Very well. The drone surveilance system is now avaialble to all ITA members.
Spyder wrote: We would prefer the military type sheilding. Defensive systems such as sheilds will be a very important component of the ships and we would like to aquire the best possible sheilds.
What percentage of total power output where you thinking of reserving for the shield systems? For higher percentage outputs we have the T-series shield generators from the T15 fighter shield generator through to the T90 Cruiser shield network. We also have the W series which are designed to make the most from lower outputs. The L series is somewhere in between, a good all rounder providing good protection at a reasonable energy cost.
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Thirdfain wrote:We oppose the usage of mind-wipe. Such destruction of free will is a disgusting misuse of technology.
I understand your concerns. But these people forfeited their right to free will when they took it from the captains and escort pilots of the trade convoys. In order to defend ourselves from these people we must remove any threat we pose. The mind-wipe proceedure is difficult to reverse but not totally impossible. Now if we were nerve stapling them on the other hand, that would present problems.

Do you have a solution you wish to propose?
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Thirdfain wrote:ATTN: Allied Nations
FROM: UFR Department of Diplomacy and War
SUBJ: End ot hostilities

We would ask that all our allies do all that is reasonable in ending aggression with the Asgard Empire. We of the Floater Republics are not suggesting that you stop building warships, or cease to protect your interests- We simply ask that you do all in your power to put an end to aggressions. We will stand by our allies, as always, but we ask our allies to stand with us in peace as they have in war.
We will comply with your request.

We will trust that the Asgard will deal with these terroists fairly...

Thou we would like to address one issue. It is, and always has been, the position of the DE that justice should be served when posible. And we would never execute a prisoner to please our allies, as we value life very highly.

We will agree to release these Terrorists to Asgard custody, on one simple provision...That in addition to the charges of mutiny, that the officers also be charged with acts of terrorism, piracy, and murder. Not to mention conduct unbecoming an officer. Do the Asgard accept these terms?
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