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They also did a really bad job of getting any games on it that people would want to play and hadn't already had for six months on other consoles.Havok wrote: Based on both those, I think Nintendo just did a piss poor job of PR not that they missed named it. I mean I don't consider myself a "hardcore" gamer, but I knew about the first fucking Wii's release.
Not when they are buying it from a retailer. But someone is looking for a cheap second hand one on Ebay some time after launch and run into an intentionally misleading auction, that's a different story.Stark wrote:Are you seriously saying you think people will mistake a new product being sold in a huge launch with one that hasn't been available outside boutique collectors stores and garage sales for years?
Better to look month to month and find that after the firs two months the Wii sold more units than the Wii-U and that the Xbox360 and PS3 are both outselling the Wii-U. And this month it's not by a little it's by three times as much in the PS3's case. April saw three times as many PS3's sold as Wii-U's per VGACharts and twice as many Wii's as Wii-Us.Havok wrote:So looking at the Wii-U numbers, it has sold, world wide, and as of March 31st 2013, 3.4million units since it's launch in 2012.
Is that...bad?
A real problem for the Wii U is that perception that it's some kind of expansion pack or bolt-on for the Wii. I think Nintendo botched things by making the name sound so close in this case. Super Nintendo doesn't sound like the same thing as a Nintendo, and Playstation 2,3,4 has a clear progression. Wii U doesn't really sound like something new.Put it another way, at this point in the Wii-U life cycle after six months the Wii had sold 9.27 million units, the Xbox 360 had sold close to six and a half million with PS3 pushing six million. Worse the Wii-U's sales were a lot more front loaded, at this time as the Wii-U's units per month falls the Wii's, PS3's and Xbox360 were all climbing.
how do people keep getting that the wii u isn’t strong? from EA? geeze dude. do some fucking research. its heavily custom designed. Microsoft has to pay sony for the blue ray laser in every single system. half of the 8 gigs the ps4 has isn’t even for games or graphics. the wii u processor is underclocked to not stress the tri core. the custom built patented high speed optical drive can read faster than the ps4′s. the wii u operates like a 4 gig ram. Nintendo is just sitting back going “eh, they’ll figure it out.” I bet they cant wait for the 3rd parties to come crawling back so they slam the door in their face and laugh.
put it like this. wii u is like a custom built alienware built to specs while the ps4 is just strong parts from dell put together. yeah, it should be stouter. but u don’t know what they’ve done inside the tower. nothing in the ps4 or nextbox(yeah, I like that name, they shuda went with that) is custom. its just put shipped in. and put together.
It survived the GameCube, which came after a much less successful console than the Wii, so unless Shigeru Miyamoto blew all the profits for the Wii on coke and hookers, I think they'll stick around for at least one more home console out of sheer stubbornness. For the time being at least their situation isn't anything like that of Sega in 2001, who I believe hadn't had a major hit of any sort since Sonic 3/Sonic & Knuckles all the way back in 1994 (and didn't have a handheld line to fall back on).Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:I will be mildly surprised if Nintendo's hardware division survives the Wii U and they don't go the way of SEGA.
Nintendo survived the N64 and Gamecube despite being shat upon mightily in sales by the Playstations because they were making a profit on hardware sales directly and that was basically the height of their ability to directly print money with handhelds in general and the Pokemon brand in particular.DaveJB wrote:It survived the GameCube, which came after a much less successful console than the Wii, so unless Shigeru Miyamoto blew all the profits for the Wii on coke and hookers, I think they'll stick around for at least one more home console out of sheer stubbornness. For the time being at least their situation isn't anything like that of Sega in 2001, who I believe hadn't had a major hit of any sort since Sonic 3/Sonic & Knuckles all the way back in 1994 (and didn't have a handheld line to fall back on).
By all accounts it's only a smallish loss they're making on the Wii U itself, certainly nothing like the $300 or so that Sony was losing on each PS3 at the start of that console's lifecycle on top of its already extortionate R&D costs. And the 3DS hardware (not sure about the 3DS XL) is now being sold for a profit even with the price drop, and that's before getting its own Pokemon game (which still print money very nicely).Vendetta wrote:Now they're selling Wii U hardware at a loss and the 3DS had to have a massive price cut to pick up in sales because part of its natural market has been lost to tablets and smartphones.
True, but Sony were largely able to finance that $300 loss leader by selling HDTVs (the attempt to make people replace them all with 3DTVs hasn't worked out so well for them), Nintendo have a much more restricted revenue stream, if they don't make money from console hardware and games they're not making money. Whilst they might be making a profit on the 3DS and some on Pokemon (which is nowhere near as omnipresent as it was, even if it is still making money), a lossmaking home console isn't what they need right now, they're not in the kind of firm position they were 7-14 years ago.DaveJB wrote:By all accounts it's only a smallish loss they're making on the Wii U itself, certainly nothing like the $300 or so that Sony was losing on each PS3 at the start of that console's lifecycle on top of its already extortionate R&D costs. And the 3DS hardware (not sure about the 3DS XL) is now being sold for a profit even with the price drop, and that's before getting its own Pokemon game (which still print money very nicely).
That is completely laughable and ignorant, where is it from? The Wii U hardware was cost squeezed down (in both dev and manufacturing) to a fairly pathetic state, to free up budget for the monstrous controller and to maintain Nintendo profit margins. Not only is the 'half the PS4 memory reserved wrong' (Sony background tasks use the least reserved memory in this generation), the criticism is in fact correct and far more pertinent for the Wii U (half of its already cramped 2 gigs is reserved for Nintendo crap that isn't even as useful as XBL or PSN).Havok wrote:how do people keep getting that the wii u isn’t strong? from EA? geeze dude. do some fucking research. its heavily custom designed. Microsoft has to pay sony for the blue ray laser in every single system. half of the 8 gigs the ps4 has isn’t even for games or graphics. the wii u processor is underclocked to not stress the tri core. the custom built patented high speed optical drive can read faster than the ps4′s. the wii u operates like a 4 gig ram. Nintendo is just sitting back going “eh, they’ll figure it out.” I bet they cant wait for the 3rd parties to come crawling back so they slam the door in their face and laugh.
Talk about damning with faint praise.put it like this. wii u is like a custom built alienware built to specs
Will there be much backlash when they realize that Sony's constant statements saying that publishers get to decide if second hand sales happen means that publishers will be blocking used game sales on the PS4 ?Stark wrote: its far more important that the entire media industry is sucking Sony's dick and saying things like 'Xbox One neglects gamers' despite actually having games/exclusives announced, unlike PS4 at announcement.
