STGOD: A Dead Art?

[SirNitram]

When teleporters required a twenty point expenditure in the OOB as we saw from Starglider.

For a while, I've had a sort of pseudo-teleporter in my OOB in place of my nation's space elevators. They're not relied on to teleport cargo into ships (too dangerous) and aren't found anywhere but in big bunkers on planets, due to their size and power draw. Is this also in violation of the "no free lunch" rule concerning teleporters?

If it's little more than a differently described space elevator type deal, I won't mind, myself. But combat teleporting is something I'm ridiculously leery of.

[Starglider]

They're not relied on to teleport cargo into ships (too dangerous) and aren't found anywhere but in big bunkers on planets, due to their size and power draw. Is this also in violation of the "no free lunch" rule concerning teleporters?

If they have no combat use and aren't important to be a noticeable economic advantage that sounds fine to me.

I put down 'displacers' as a 'special forces advantage' because the only obvious military application is getting small amounts of light infantry onto a planet from low orbit without having to get dropships through the AA defences. Since displacers in platform-to-anywhere mode won't work anywhere near a major power source, the troops will have to fight or sneak their way through several km of hostile terrain to the target, and then back out again for extraction.

[Academia Nut]

Yeah, I have transporters too, but they're no good for combat purposes and they're really only good for moving people around in non-combat situations, so its more of a flavour thing than anything else.

Oh, and I posted my interpretation of Redleader's summoning thing. I will edit if he disagrees with it.

[Tanasinn]

Yes, to confirm, they're nothing more than differently-described space elevators.

[Redleader34]

Your post is mostly invaladed due to edits, so you will have to deal with my sweeping of your area, and one of your guys captured

How the fuck do you kill a blob? Laser? Electron Cannnon? Vodoo?

[Covenant]

How the fuck do you kill a blob? Laser? Electron Cannnon? Vodoo?

You freeze it and drop it on antartica.

[Redleader34]

Man if your blobs want to war like that, then the entire Continet's forces are in play. Thousands of Fighter-Bombers. And Plasma. Plasma...

[Thirdfain]

Tell you what. I'll kick the shit out of these mercs tomorrow. A full Armia of Sikhs will do the evil blobs in.

[Imperial Overlord]

Nephtys, you haven't been in system for days. There's a large battle fleet near your arrival point. You jumped the gun with your arrival because several of us invested in early warning systems and detected your fleet /swarm before it arrived.

[Starglider]

organs throwing great jets of plasma and antimatter in their wakes as they broke from orbit.

Well that certainly illustrates Jon's law: "Any interesting space drive is a weapon of mass destruction."

I can only assume these are direct antimatter rockets with a low enough reaction efficiency that a significant amount of unreacted antimatter remains in the exhaust (and presumably continues to react with the exhaust plasma for some time after it comes out of the drive). That is about the highest signature space drive it is possible to make, every ship is going to be trailing a plume thousands of kilometres long blazing away across the entire EM spectrum (probably mostly peaking in the soft x-rays at the ship end, more gamma as the plume thins out).

Nephtys, you haven't been in system for days. There's a large battle fleet near your arrival point. You jumped the gun with your arrival because several of us invested in early warning systems and detected your fleet /swarm before it arrived.

She could substitute 'hours' for 'days' in that post and it would still be fine. But if so we're (mostly) pegging game time until this is resolved, so better get on with it.

[Imperial Overlord]

There's a lot of things I let someone with a cute cat avatar get away with, but adding to a timeline mess is not one of them. There's a fleet near her arrival point when she arrives. Her space monsters do not have days of being unmolested in which to go and infest things.

[Starglider]

There's a fleet near her arrival point when she arrives. Her space monsters do not have days of being unmolested in which to go and infest things.

Well, they might if said fleets just sit there firing probes off for days (which are presumably being ignored, although Nephy doesn't explicitly say so in her post). After a few days messages will start reaching other powers to the effect of 'a fuckton of ships just appeared in Sol' - hours, with Kiro fast comms. Ongoing solar dimming on a scale noticeable to the naked eye will eventually start affecting Terran weather, but that will probably take weeks to months.

[Imperial Overlord]

Well, they might if said fleets just sit there firing probes off for days (which are presumably being ignored, although Nephy doesn't explicitly say so in her post). After a few days messages will start reaching other powers to the effect of 'a fuckton of ships just appeared in Sol' - hours, with Kiro fast comms. Ongoing solar dimming on a scale noticeable to the naked eye will eventually start affecting Terran weather, but that will probably take weeks to months.

That time hasn't passed yet. The fleet gathers before her arrival in system. The posting time is confused because Nepthys posted her arrival without talking to the players who sunk points in an early warning system. This fleet gathering before she arrives. She can post her reaction and even the beginning of an attack against the combined fleet, but she cannot post that nothing has happened to her for days because that does has not happened yet. She does not get to automatically assume she gets to infest anything because its convenient for her. Even if she has a cute cat avatar.

And furthermore she does not have sun killing weapons. Planet killers are the most that are allowed and they're 100 points a piece.

[Darkevilme]

Did i miss something, i admit i haven't been paying too much attention. But when did the irreversible and complete destruction of a planets biosphere, habitable area, population, industry .etc become equivalent to inflicting a mild and rather easily rectifyable winter on earth? or is there any hint that Nephy's ships/things are going to do more than that.

[Imperial Overlord]

Did i miss something, i admit i haven't been paying too much attention. But when did the irreversible and complete destruction of a planets biosphere, habitable area, population, industry .etc become equivalent to inflicting a mild and rather easily rectifyable winter on earth? or is there any hint that Nephy's ships/things are going to do more than that.

"Solar dimming affecting weather in a few weeks to months". What do you think of the long term effects will be if they could inflict that much damage to a star in such a short period of time?

Its right out, of course. It's already been stated to right out, multiple times. In fact, I tempted to declare war with the next person to bring it up. Either that or use my mod powers to throw moons at their home worlds. I bet it will be an easy sell to Nitram and Thirdfain.

To be fair, Nepthys herself has never said her critters can do that, just the anime lovers who think because Gunbuster is the inspiration of her aliens she gets to kill stars for no point cost.

[Starglider]

That time hasn't passed yet. The fleet gathers before her arrival in system.

I know, my point was that if they're just going to sit there firing off probes and nothing else, time will keep passing as usual. However, since Nepthys didn't post any reaction to the probes, it would be unfair to assume that they did in fact do this. So yeah, presumably she was there for just a few hours before heading for mercury, and even that's assuming the other players didn't start shooting already.

She does not get to automatically assume she gets to infest anything because its convenient for her. Even if she has a cute cat avatar.

Maybe I should try this 'cute cat avatar' thing.

But when did the irreversible and complete destruction of a planets biosphere, habitable area, population, industry .etc become equivalent to inflicting a mild and rather easily rectifyable winter on earth? or is there any hint that Nephy's ships/things are going to do more than that.

Frankly spraying nontrivial amounts of antimatter around and making a noticeable fraction of an entire star's energy output go anywhere are unbalancing capabilites for a normal power that can do something cunning or even moderately intelligent with them. But Nephy's monsters aren't even sentient, hopefully she won't abuse any of this.

[Dahak]

Even if there hadn't been any early warning systems in place, I would extremely doubt that a possibly hostile force would be sitting unmolested for days at the heart of the solar system...

[Darkevilme]

Ah, enlightenment. Shit i missed that bit...

Edit: With the utmost respect Overlord, where does it say they're causing lasting or indeed any damage to the sun? The dimming is last i checked caused by Nephy's ships using their spacebending power and ungodly numbers to catch more of the sun's light for fuel or something.

[Imperial Overlord]

Edit: With the utmost respect Overlord, where does it say they're causing lasting or indeed any damage to the sun? The dimming is last i checked caused by Nephy's ships using their spacebending power and ungodly numbers to catch more of the sun's light for fuel or something.

Starglider assumed she would be able to continue to fuck up the sun, where it was earlier made clear by Nepthys that it was just a cool and very temporary arrival effect. I smacked him in the nose with a rolled up magazine.

In answer to your question Starglider, there's no telling what you could get away with if you had a cute cat avatar. Pray that His Divine Shadow or Singular Quartet don't join the game.

[Starglider]

Starglider assumed she would be able to continue to fuck up the sun

Yeah, from;

The 'Space Monsters' that had erupted into the star system barely a few days ago remained in orbit... The star had remained largely partially occluded for much of this time

in that I assume 'largely partially occluded' means 'still visible to the naked eye on Earth'.

In answer to your question Starglider, there's no telling what you could get away with if you had a cute cat avatar.

Fortunately I refuse to adopt your brain-damaged notions of cats being cuter than birds no matter how many people happen to agree with you.

[Darkevilme]

*changes avatar*Right then, what can i get away with now Overlord?

[Starglider]

Oh very well. *uploads* But I'd better get a Galaxy Gun for this

Original image here.

[Redleader34]

Going to edit my post for clarity, just a note to all

[Redleader34]

Getto Edit Nepthys, I had a diplomatic ship and probe near your space monsters. cCould you respond to them, if you would?

[Redleader34]

Note The Third: How could there be refugee camps, when the city is blockaded by tanks and troopers? The military would not allow people to just waltz out from there.