A historic nation sim game proposal

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-08-17 07:53pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Captain_Cyran wrote:heavy artillary, 5 per 100 men.
That's a shitload of guns, even for the Napoleonic era. A light gun for every twenty men? Jeez.

Just a question: what would you consider reasonable, for a nation leaning heavily on artillery, such as mine?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-08-17 07:58pm

Captain_Cyran wrote:You look at the size of my army? It's freaking tiny.

100,000 men isn't teeny for that Era. The largest powers in the world won't have a standing army of more than 200,000, and they're too far from you to invade easily.

My country is extremely zealous about defense, and since they don't have the man power they try to make up for it with the best weapons, the best fortifications, and the biggest and most guns.

Perhaps, but artillery is very, very, expensive in that era. Your country is too small to support that expenditure by internal resources, and with it's small navy, certainly doesn't have the colonial or trading might to bring in that much money.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-08-17 07:59pm

Dahak wrote:Just a question: what would you consider reasonable, for a nation leaning heavily on artillery, such as mine?

I'm unfamiliar with early 18th century artillery... but I'm sure that 1 gun for 20 men is too many. 1:50, as in your case, sounds more accurate. Sea Skimmer would know.

EDIT:

I still think you have too large a population. France in 1725, a nation of about your size and agricultural output, had around 20-25 million citizens. If anything, your population should be lower than mine (My territory is about twice your size and has solid agriculture). If you have 35 million citizens then I'll have to go up, too.

justifier · Post by **justifier** » 2003-08-17 08:02pm

Okay:
Total Population: 19 million

Military:
85,000 infantry equiped with muskeets
61,000 infantry equiped with swords/spears/halberds
3,000 infantry with light cannons
1,000 heavy cannons emplaced in fortresses
1,000 calvalry

150,000 total

Navy:
non-existent

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-08-17 08:03pm

Yeah, said I'd make mistakes.

What amount of Merchant ships would be good for a major marketting country. The main focus of my country is trade so as to boost itself and make itself as big as possible, I'm thinking that it's economy is good enough to supply a nation 3 times it's size with an adaquate number of weapons within two years. My country also uses a lot of ground convoys for transportation of goods as well.

I'll knock my army down to 70,000 and my guns down to 3 per 100, is that more reasonable?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-08-17 08:06pm

Captain_Cyran wrote:Yeah, said I'd make mistakes.

What amount of Merchant ships would be good for a major marketting country. The main focus of my country is trade so as to boost itself and make itself as big as possible, I'm thinking that it's economy is good enough to supply a nation 3 times it's size with an adaquate number of weapons within two years. My country also uses a lot of ground convoys for transportation of goods as well.

Land transport is inefficient, as we have no railroads. Alyriums nation is naval focussed, so Sea Skimmer said 10,000 merchant vessels. My nation is big, has a lot of coastline, and ships a lot of goods, so I have 8,000. Something below that would make sense.

I'll knock my army down to 70,000 and my guns down to 3 per 100, is that more reasonable?

I suppose... look, you shouldn't rely too much on what I'm saying, as I've got a big gap in my military knowledge from about 1500 to 1900

SS will make the final decision.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-17 08:10pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote: Sheppard has webspace, but he'll probably make you beg for it.

Nein. Make anyone beg for webspace? Nein.

I'm ashamed in the NKVD's character assassination attempts on the Reichsführer-SS.

Following information SUSPECT until I get a look-see at
the map Skimmer made...

Wurtemburg:

8 Million Population

30,000 man volunteer army and 400 guns.

No real fleet as I am landlocked, but I have about
30 or so small riverine gunboats for plying canals and
inland rivers.

Major Cities:

Ulm (Capital)
Stuttgart
Freiburg
Baden-Baden

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-08-17 08:14pm

Got it, no large land convoys, just little ones to nearby nations.

So I'll probably go with 6,000 merchant ships. My military knowledge of this time period is also non-existant.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-08-17 08:18pm

MKSheppard wrote:Nein. Make anyone beg for webspace? Nein.

I'm ashamed in the NKVD's character assassination attempts on the Reichsführer-SS.

The doctored pictures of you and the she-male whores were option 2.

BTW, I'll take a small landlocked nation called "Würtemburg" with about 40,000 men under arms and a hundred artillery pieces or so.

The map's already been made and you're not exactly small, though it has been through some revisions since I saw it last. To give an idea for size in what I've seen...

Dahak's HRE is about the size of France. You're maybe 2/3 his size, and you have a lot of coastline. Sea Skimmer is still changing things about as far as I know. I'm the biggest boy on the map, but I'm very spread out.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-17 08:19pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote: The map's already been made and you're not exactly small, though it has been through some revisions since I saw it last. To give an idea for size in what I've seen...

ooh shit....

Someone provide me with a FUCKING LINK! to the map

*goes back and edits post*

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-08-17 08:23pm

How large is the Kaiserreich's land area?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-08-17 08:24pm

The Map

That's hosted on the mostly inflexible (no remote linking, for example) Care2 photoalbum I have. It's still in development, however, so complaining to SS ought to have some result. You could be shoved into a corner closer to Dahak while he and Sea Skimmer gained some land at your expense. Justifier might also be expanded into that NPC area.

He basically tore Europe open to aid sea power.

This is the first version of the map, IIRC.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-17 08:26pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote: This is the first version of the map, IIRC.

Looks good to me.

I end up in the traditional german position,
right next to the game's equivalent of france

I guess I'll have to redo my work

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-08-17 08:27pm

mmm That is a nice map

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-08-17 08:28pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Pablo Sanchez wrote: This is the first version of the map, IIRC.
Looks good to me.

I end up in the traditional german position,
right next to the game's equivalent of france

I guess I'll have to redo my work

Four Germanic states right up gainst each other... this should be fun.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-17 08:29pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote: Four Germanic states right up gainst each other... this should be fun.

Howabout I use a fractal map generator instead of this tired old
map of Europe?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-08-17 08:30pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote: Four Germanic states right up gainst each other... this should be fun.
Howabout I use a fractal map generator instead of this tired old
map of Europe?

Not needed... A map of europe give us something familiar to work with...

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-17 08:30pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote: Not needed... A map of europe give us something familiar to work with...

Yeah but I'd like to do something better, if you wait a few hours I could probably put forth something cool as fuck

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-08-17 08:31pm

Well Shep, it is up to you.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-08-17 08:32pm

Hmmm, looks good to me, I'm not close to Alyrium like I'd wanted, but oh well. no real biggie. I've got more access to the sea then I thought I would, so I'll up my navy a bit. And I apparently have Access to one of the two easy routes through the mountains seperating Stravo and I from the rest of the nations (With Stravo having the other.)

Minor revisions to my country will be made.

justifier · Post by **justifier** » 2003-08-17 08:34pm

I'd just like to say again, thank I want my country moved to Jadite's current position in the next version of the map

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-08-17 08:37pm

MKSheppard wrote:Yeah but I'd like to do something better, if you wait a few hours I could probably put forth something cool as fuck

I'm happy with it, and I'd be pretty pissed if I ended up with less territory than I have now

I even got a detail picture of my expansive realm, and you want to make me go and have to do it again? *sniffle*

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-08-17 08:42pm

People are going for far too large a fleet. At this time 100-125 ships of the line is a huge fleet, if you want a large army you should only have a few dozen SOL, third rate and up.

Alyrium you cannot have 260 ships of the line period, divided that figure in half and cut your army down to more like 75,000 and that might be acceptable. What the fuck is it with you and power gaming forces?

As for how much field artillery you should have. Figure one gun for every five hundred men maximum.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-17 08:42pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote: I'm happy with it, and I'd be pretty pissed if I ended up with less territory than I have now I even got a detail picture of my expansive realm, and you want to make me go and have to do it again? *sniffle*

Meh, I'm just putting forth an IDEA, man something a bit better than
a simple GIF map....It's all up to sea Skimmer really...

Linky to program

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-08-17 08:44pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:People are going for far too large a fleet. At this time 100-125 ships of the line is a huge fleet, if you want a large army you should only have a few dozen SOL, third rate and up.

Alyrium you cannot have 260 ships of the line period, divided that figure in half and cut your army down to more like 75,000 and that might be acceptable. What the fuck is it with you and power gaming forces?

As for how much field artillery you should have. Figure one gun for every five hundred men maximum.

Thank you, SS, for showing me the way.

*edits post*

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