STGOD 4 OOC Thread (part 2)

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-08 03:48pm

Hotfoot wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:There's some space to wiggle in, but it'll make fleet trains that much more difficult.
Over 9,000 light years of space, by my estimation. I'll be throwing together some dice and making random elevation values for everyone (save monacora, since they are the center of known space). After that, I think it would be safe to say that most spheres of influence extend out X far from the capital world, and we go from there.

I wouldn't mind seeing a fleshed out 3D map so long as it remains consitent with the notion that the spheres on the map and with the game as it's been played so far.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-09-08 03:48pm

Stormbringer wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing a fleshed out 3D map so long as it remains consitent with the notion that the spheres on the map and with the game as it's been played so far.

Cool, I'll get to work on it right away. Should be up by tonight

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-08 03:50pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:What are you talking about? This is easily solved. *Takes the largeness of Earth to mean that it is far closer to the view of the map, thus making it higher on the galactic arm than either Nashtar or the White Sun territory, and sends fleets beneath Monacoran territory, adding nothing to the journey at all.* There's no indication of depth, so as long as it's consistent I can do whatever the hell I want with the verticle positioning.
Frankly, I think that idea is a bunch of crap. Not only crap but self serving crap as well.

Oh, and having the entire Unification be on the exact same plane as both the rest of the Alliance and the White Sun isn't? It's an assumption of the same nature; it's just the depth assumption that comes most easily because of the effects of looking at a 2d representation of a 3d area. That doesn't make it any less of an assumption.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-08 03:51pm

Hotfoot wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing a fleshed out 3D map so long as it remains consitent with the notion that the spheres on the map and with the game as it's been played so far.
Cool, I'll get to work on it right away. Should be up by tonight

Okay, I'll be eager to see it. I hope you'll be willing to accept comments and suggests before making a final map?

Oh, and the Asgard and PIR should be fairly close together.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-08 03:53pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Frankly, I think that idea is a bunch of crap. Not only crap but self serving crap as well.
Oh, and having the entire Unification be on the exact same plane as both the rest of the Alliance and the White Sun isn't? It's an assumption of the same nature; it's just the depth assumption that comes most easily because of the effects of looking at a 2d representation of a 3d area. That doesn't make it any less of an assumption.

It's crap because there is no indication that the largeness of a planet has anything to do with the elevation. In fact there's an indication that the greater size of Earth is due merely to it being the center of our universe.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-08 03:54pm

Beowulf wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Frankly, I think that idea is a bunch of crap. Not only crap but self serving crap as well.
Oh, and having the entire Unification be on the exact same plane as both the rest of the Alliance and the White Sun isn't? It's an assumption of the same nature; it's just the depth assumption that comes most easily because of the effects of looking at a 2d representation of a 3d area. That doesn't make it any less of an assumption.
It's crap because there is no indication that the largeness of a planet has anything to do with the elevation. In fact there's an indication that the greater size of Earth is due merely to it being the center of our universe.

I know the size of the planet is irrelevant. I was pointing out the silliness of the whole thing. It is just as silly to assume that all nations are on the same galactic plane.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-08 03:58pm

Rogue 9 wrote:I know the size of the planet is irrelevant. I was pointing out the silliness of the whole thing. It is just as silly to assume that all nations are on the same galactic plane.

Untill it's properly and impartially set up I think it's far more reasonable than your "I can do whatever I want and pull whatever I need out of my ass, so neener neener neener" crap. I don't have a problem with things not being perfectly level, but I do have a problem with your self serving assumption that you can have easy access as well.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-09-08 03:58pm

Stormbringer wrote:Okay, I'll be eager to see it. I hope you'll be willing to accept comments and suggests before making a final map?

Oh, and the Asgard and PIR should be fairly close together.

Sure thing. I'll weight some of the die rolls (make a general roll for a group, then do minor variations with smaller dice).

Basically, this is how I'm planning on doing it. Out towards the edge of the primary circle, I'll roll a D4. 1-2 is below (by the amount on the die) and 3-4 is above (by the amount on the die -2). As I go in, I use larger dice, until I get to a D20 around Monacora.

Sound good?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-08 04:00pm

Sounds good.

Though I would like to point out that the United Protectorates would have a hard time being on the same plane as Nashtar and the Krytos, since I was allied with Darksider at that time, and he would have had a hard time not being noticed by our ships passing back and forth.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-08 04:01pm

Hotfoot wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Okay, I'll be eager to see it. I hope you'll be willing to accept comments and suggests before making a final map?

Oh, and the Asgard and PIR should be fairly close together.
Sure thing. I'll weight some of the die rolls (make a general roll for a group, then do minor variations with smaller dice).

Basically, this is how I'm planning on doing it. Out towards the edge of the primary circle, I'll roll a D4. 1-2 is below (by the amount on the die) and 3-4 is above (by the amount on the die -2). As I go in, I use larger dice, until I get to a D20 around Monacora.

Sound good?

Except for the size difference that the jump from a D20 to a D12 would make, yeah. You have any size dice inbetween?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-08 04:02pm

Beowulf wrote:
Hotfoot wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Okay, I'll be eager to see it. I hope you'll be willing to accept comments and suggests before making a final map?

Oh, and the Asgard and PIR should be fairly close together.
Sure thing. I'll weight some of the die rolls (make a general roll for a group, then do minor variations with smaller dice).

Basically, this is how I'm planning on doing it. Out towards the edge of the primary circle, I'll roll a D4. 1-2 is below (by the amount on the die) and 3-4 is above (by the amount on the die -2). As I go in, I use larger dice, until I get to a D20 around Monacora.

Sound good?
Except for the size difference that the jump from a D20 to a D12 would make, yeah. You have any size dice inbetween?

No. You can't get even sides that way.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-09-08 04:05pm

Beowulf wrote:Except for the size difference that the jump from a D20 to a D12 would make, yeah. You have any size dice inbetween?

Not really. If push comes to shove, I have random dice tags installed over at my boards, I think I can get away with having any numbers I want involved (and, in that case, I can actually use odd numbers in the middle to signify on the galactic plane level with Earth, as it were.) Plus the rolls would be there for everyone to see.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-08 04:05pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Beowulf wrote:
Hotfoot wrote:Sure thing. I'll weight some of the die rolls (make a general roll for a group, then do minor variations with smaller dice).

Basically, this is how I'm planning on doing it. Out towards the edge of the primary circle, I'll roll a D4. 1-2 is below (by the amount on the die) and 3-4 is above (by the amount on the die -2). As I go in, I use larger dice, until I get to a D20 around Monacora.

Sound good?
Except for the size difference that the jump from a D20 to a D12 would make, yeah. You have any size dice inbetween?
No. You can't get even sides that way.

*Pulls out computer*

Wanna bet?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-08 04:06pm

Beowulf wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
Beowulf wrote: Except for the size difference that the jump from a D20 to a D12 would make, yeah. You have any size dice inbetween?
No. You can't get even sides that way.
*Pulls out computer*

Wanna bet?

Well a computer simulation isn't a die, is it?

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-08 04:13pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Beowulf wrote: *Pulls out computer*

Wanna bet?
Well a computer simulation isn't a die, is it?

No one said it had to be a physical die, right?

In any case, you can make a die with an even number of sides between 12 and 20.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-08 04:17pm

OOH! finally, I came up with the formal name.

Yeah, the Hajr is the military/expansion arm of the organization known as the

Diaspora of the Unbound

Thanks to Rogue9 for spurring it with his "Diaspora of the White Floaters."

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-08 04:22pm

Beowulf wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:What I don't get is why they're so eager to help you, but hey, whatever they wanna do. Next time Earth is getting assraped, remind me not to charge to the rescue.
Closing borders isn't exactly help. It more along the lines of: We don't want to be seen as helping the UPA in this.

Then close it to the Ousters as well. As it stands, they have passage to us but we can't return the favor.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-08 04:26pm

Thirdfain wrote:OOH! finally, I came up with the formal name.

Yeah, the Hajr is the military/expansion arm of the organization known as the

Diaspora of the Unbound

Thanks to Rogue9 for spurring it with his "Diaspora of the White Floaters."

You're welcome.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-08 04:29pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Then close it to the Ousters as well. As it stands, they have passage to us but we can't return the favor.

Maybe it's because they haven't attacked you nor declared their intent to? Where as the Alliance has with regards to the Ousters.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-08 04:31pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Then close it to the Ousters as well. As it stands, they have passage to us but we can't return the favor.
Maybe it's because they haven't attacked you nor declared their intent to? Where as the Alliance has with regards to the Ousters.

Excuse me? They have declared their intent to attack the Alliance, and in fact are currently engaged in doing so, or haven't you been paying attention? The White Sun Confederation is a member of the Alliance, in case you've forgotten.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-08 04:32pm

Excuse me? They have declared their intent to attack the Alliance, and in fact are currently engaged in doing so, or haven't you been paying attention? The White Sun Confederation is a member of the Alliance, in case you've forgotten.

No, I haven't. I've declared my intent to attack the White Suns Confederation. I bare the Alliance as a whole no ill will. Of course, should they interfere, I'll be forced to fight them until my objectives have been achieved.

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2004-09-08 04:34pm

He's attacking a member of the alliance, not the whole thing. As is, his battle doesn't take him through Unification territory. Not a problem. But you want to attack him through Unification territory. That is a problem. Should Thirdfain try to counterattack to NAshtar, UP, Dracs, etc., Im sure he will get the same treatment.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-08 04:48pm

All right, but if the Unification is merely concerned with keeping belligerent warships away from their systems, why bother with talking to Minmatar? It's Spyder's business if he feels that we really endanger him that much, but trying to talk him into it is a sign of wishes to hinder us, not protect themselves.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-08 04:51pm

Rogue 9 wrote:All right, but if the Unification is merely concerned with keeping belligerent warships away from their systems, why bother with talking to Minmatar? It's Spyder's business if he feels that we really endanger him that much, but trying to talk him into it is a sign of wishes to hinder us, not protect themselves.

Of course we're trying to hinder you. It wouldn't be worth much if this had no effect on the brewing war in our backyard.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-08 04:53pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:All right, but if the Unification is merely concerned with keeping belligerent warships away from their systems, why bother with talking to Minmatar? It's Spyder's business if he feels that we really endanger him that much, but trying to talk him into it is a sign of wishes to hinder us, not protect themselves.
Of course we're trying to hinder you. It wouldn't be worth much if this had no effect on the brewing war in our backyard.

It's not going to stop the war. You already have a war in your backyard.