[STGOD] Primary Story Thread

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-10 11:04pm

Thirdfain wrote:Hostility exists as long as there is reason, and as long as the Asgard Empir shows itself to be unable to dispense justice and restrain it's vessels from commiting acts of brutal violence, it will find large parts of the ITA hostile to it. The Asgard Empire should take this as a sign that perhaps they need to make some changes in their national policy, if they are to enjoy being a part of mainstream society.

Perhaps you ought to await the outcome of the trial before commenting. We believe in due process and the sanctity of the law. We promised to try them and try them we have.

And we attempted to restrain them. Perhaps you will note the battlegroup to which the Black Forest and her bretheren surrendered to?

Our national policy is our own. You will not dictate it to us or anyone else. We will not abide by your attempt to pack the ITA and ITASF with you and your allies. Sorry if we do not submit to your desires for dealing with "heavies".

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-06-10 11:11pm

Our national policy is our own. You will not dictate it to us or anyone else. We will not abide by your attempt to pack the ITA and ITASF with you and your allies. Sorry if we do not submit to your desires for dealing with "heavies".

We have voted Yea to ALL admissions to the ITA, including your allies in the OU and the Skaven Empire. Your claims are groundless.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-06-10 11:13pm

We did indeed. However the peace process had not been completed (and still is not legally complete I might add) and the Kokand government proper did not sign.

The Asgard Empire acted as the mouthpeice to the Kokand Empire. Are you now telling us that when you accepted concessions for the Kokand Empire, you did not, in fact, have authority? Are you saying that you were not, in fact, acting as intermediaries for the Kokand Empire? If that is the case, then you have acted to deceive major portions of Known Space, and we will be forced to undertake legal action.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-10 11:22pm

Thirdfain wrote:The Asgard Empire acted as the mouthpeice to the Kokand Empire. Are you now telling us that when you accepted concessions for the Kokand Empire, you did not, in fact, have authority? Are you saying that you were not, in fact, acting as intermediaries for the Kokand Empire? If that is the case, then you have acted to deceive major portions of Known Space, and we will be forced to undertake legal action.

No, we had the authority to negotiate peace. But they remained a seperate nation until the annexation went through. And you and your allies never formally concluded the peace process. Should they have chosen war, it was legal.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-10 11:24pm

Thirdfain wrote:
Our national policy is our own. You will not dictate it to us or anyone else. We will not abide by your attempt to pack the ITA and ITASF with you and your allies. Sorry if we do not submit to your desires for dealing with "heavies".
We have voted Yea to ALL admissions to the ITA, including your allies in the OU and the Skaven Empire. Your claims are groundless.

Yet you push for your allies (with no experience at all with a proper navy) to be granted power. And we absolutely disagree with your efforts to coerce us into following your desires for our foriegn policy.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-06-10 11:24pm

No, we had the authority to negotiate peace. But they remained a seperate nation until the annexation went through. And you and your allies never formally concluded the peace process. Should they have chosen war, it was legal.

Ah. It is good, then, that the Kokand government never chose war.

This merely reinforces the facts- Kokand vessels went rogue, if not from your navy, then from the Kokand navy. They then went on to commit atrocities without the backing of any legitimate government.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-06-10 11:26pm

Yet you push for your allies (with no experience at all with a proper navy) to be granted power. And we absolutely disagree with your efforts to coerce us into following your desires for our foriegn policy.

It is our prerogative to do what we believe is necessary, within the legal bounds of the ITA.

-ooc- actually, there are only 2 neutral powers still taking part in this STGOD, and both of them already have ITA positions. Frankly, it's either on of our allies or one of your allies

I wish we had another few neutrals around.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-10 11:27pm

Thirdfain wrote:Ah. It is good, then, that the Kokand government never chose war.

They claim to have been acting on the command of the Kokand government. Or at least members qualified to order them to do so.

Thirdfain wrote:This merely reinforces the facts- Kokand vessels went rogue, if not from your navy, then from the Kokand navy. They then went on to commit atrocities without the backing of any legitimate government.

That is not the case, they would be legitimate group at war with their enemies. See Vichy France (1940) or or the Walker Regime (2703) for a clear precedents .

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-10 11:29pm

Thirdfain wrote:
Yet you push for your allies (with no experience at all with a proper navy) to be granted power. And we absolutely disagree with your efforts to coerce us into following your desires for our foriegn policy.
It is our prerogative to do what we believe is necessary, within the legal bounds of the ITA.

And our legal right to leave if circumstances dictate it.

Thirdfain wrote:-ooc- actually, there are only 2 neutral powers still taking part in this STGOD, and both of them already have ITA positions. Frankly, it's either on of our allies or one of your allies I wish we had another few neutrals around.

(OOC: True. But that doesn't mean there aren't powers that have connections to both)

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-06-10 11:43pm

They claim to have been acting on the command of the Kokand government. Or at least members qualified to order them to do so.

If that is true, then they operating without a formal declaration of war, and are as such commiting illegal actions.

That is not the case, they would be legitimate group at war with their enemies. See Vichy France (1940) or or the Walker Regime (2703) for a clear precedents .

The legitimacy of both of those regimes is still disputed. The precedents are far from clear, and both precedents have the mentioned powers operating openly, with the open support of other legitimate governments.

And our legal right to leave if circumstances dictate it.

We never said otherwise.

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The Pan-Slavic Republic would be an excellent candidate for the position of Minister of Fleet Assets, by the way, should the situation dictate it.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-10 11:49pm

If that is true, then they operating without a formal declaration of war, and are as such commiting illegal actions.

You forget your own war. Which was never legally finished. We of course honor the peace as it is. But the Kokand government might not have.

The legitimacy of both of those regimes is still disputed. The precedents are far from clear, and both precedents have the mentioned powers operating openly, with the open support of other legitimate governments.

You are indeed fools. Both are centuries old. The resistance groups in both cases were legitimate even the though governments had surrendered to other powers. Indeed in both cases the rebels became the legitimate government.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-06-10 11:54pm

You are indeed fools. Both are centuries old. The resistance groups in both cases were legitimate even the though governments had surrendered to other powers. Indeed in both cases the rebels became the legitimate government.

-ooc-
Mistyped there.

The resistance governments you mention remain legitimate because they had the active support of other legitimate powers, and operated in the open. You neglect to mention the "governments in exile" of such countries as Panama, Gautamala, Columbia, and New Maharashtra, all of which were declared illegitimate and thrown onto the ash-heap of history.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-10 11:56pm

Thirdfain wrote:The resistance governments you mention remain legitimate because they had the active support of other legitimate powers, and operated in the open. You neglect to mention the "governments in exile" of such countries as Panama, Gautamala, Columbia, and New Maharashtra, all of which were declared illegitimate and thrown onto the ash-heap of history.

Success or failure has usually been the measure of legitimacy in most cases. Yet should we execute them for losing?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-06-11 12:35am

Success or failure has usually been the measure of legitimacy in most cases. Yet should we execute them for losing?

No. You should bring them before the full penalty of law for mindless killing.

Vichy fought to liberate. The Kokanders fought to slaughter as many innocents as possible, with no goals beyond destruction and vengeance.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-06-11 01:38am

If I may interject.

When did civilians who were not transporting war materials become a ligitimate target?

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-06-11 10:38am

The Prince, General Fedayn, and the commanders of the Army and Marines were reviewing the data taken from the captured fortress asteroid when James broke into the room.
"THEY DID IT! They killed him, they fell for it, we have them now. And, get this, we know who was where when they killed him." He shouted.
"Good, transmit the ultimatum, Fedayn prepare the strike, give them four hours for the ultimatum."
_________________________________________________
Openly Broadcast
ATTN: Asgard Empire
SUBJ: Illegal Detention, and murder of a Monacoran citizen

A Monacoran citizen, Srgt. Janson, has been killed in the ilegal custody of your polic officers, when he should of immeadietly been handed over for detention by the Monacoran Government for trial for dessertment. You are hereby requested to hand over the 12 police officers who were in proximity to the incident, along with any legal advisors they may wish to bring with them, in the next four hours. If you do not do so action will have to be taken on our side to detain them.

(EDIT: Fixed some typeoes)

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-06-11 10:42am

Though we are flattered by our allies recent proposal to make us the ITA Minister of the fleet we must decline this offer, not due to our inexperience with Logistical matters but due to the fact that we find the notion of making the ITASF a seperate military force repugnant to everythign the treaty stands for. We would, however, propose a different suggestion on this, why not make the Minmatar, the Raxmei, and the KSE joint minsiters of the fleet?

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-06-11 12:00pm

Straha wrote:TIGHTBEAM TRANSIMISSION, CODED, and DELIVERED BY DISGUISED COURIER SHIP
To: DE, KSE, PSR
From: Monacora
Regarding: Arrangement of a meeting

We request that you please send a small party of top ranking political and military officals who can keep a secret, discussion will involve plans for future after recent Floater isolation, and discussion of future politcal practices, deadline : 3 days. Clearence codes attached.

::::::ENCODED TRANSMISSION:::::::::::::

The emperor and the top military brass will be in attendance. Should we bring our own security team???

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-06-11 12:16pm

Darksider wrote:
Straha wrote:TIGHTBEAM TRANSIMISSION, CODED, and DELIVERED BY DISGUISED COURIER SHIP
To: DE, KSE, PSR
From: Monacora
Regarding: Arrangement of a meeting

We request that you please send a small party of top ranking political and military officals who can keep a secret, discussion will involve plans for future after recent Floater isolation, and discussion of future politcal practices, deadline : 3 days. Clearence codes attached.
::::::ENCODED TRANSMISSION:::::::::::::

The emperor and the top military brass will be in attendance. Should we bring our own security team???

The smaller the better, we will have two regiments devoted to security here. Keep just enough security to provide comfort, not enough to be noticed.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-06-11 12:32pm

Stormbringer wrote:The Asgard ships were already in motion. The Floater's slip had lead to a profitable raid. Several battlecruisers and their escorts dropped out of hyperspace just short of the dockyards.

They had been dispatch straight from Earth the second the Floater had slipped. Now the shipyards were firmly in the hands of Asgard Imperial Marines.

The Emperor watched the feed from the Krytosian spy sattilite with worry.

"The asgard have gained control over the Floater's shipyards."

said his advisor

"I can see that Challan, but shouldn't they have defaulted to the republic of Mohaim?"

"Yes, but the asgard are opportunists, they take all that they can"

"This move gives them greater shipbuilding capability, send a bill to the senate to increase the latest naval build-up."

"Won't that provoke them?"

"no doubt it will, but we must be ready if they attack"

"Tell all fleet commanders to start running defensive drills against Asgard target drones, and summon my strategic advisors, we need to prepare a defense plan"

With that, the emperor hit a button and the spy sattilite began it's return trip to Krytos

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-06-11 01:20pm

Admiral Santiago was suffering another fit of giggles right now, the clandestine probes were watching the Asgard take over of the Floater shipyards. They wouldn't find anything there of value, and the ship chasis able to be built there would take months or a year to refit, and after the little suprise he had prepared went off it would take longer. Then it happened, dozens of small FTL probes shot through space and slammed into one of the ship-building rigs, ontop of each probe was a Kokkand Seperatist symbol, they also had originated from an uninhabitable system in some corner of the secotr. Sadly, for him anyway, the Asgard did get the INterdictor fields up in time to stop the second wave, preventing more destruction, but still giving him something to dance about.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-06-11 01:26pm

They had taken forever to find, but the Marine Rescue Team had finally found the floater Monitors, they had driftefd away and were very hard to find in space, but they had finally found them. The borrowed UPK fleet was providing defense while the Monitors were brought online, and there were FTL inhinibtor probes strewn in a circular formation around the site preventing anything from coming ni unannounced. This was theirs, and no one was taking this.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-06-11 01:48pm

TIGHTBEAM TRANSIMISSION, CODED, and DELIVERED BY DISGUISED COURIER SHIP
To: DE, KSE, PSR
From: Monacora
Regarding: Arrangement of a meeting

We request that you please send a small party of top ranking political and military officals who can keep a secret, discussion will involve plans for future after recent Floater isolation, and discussion of future politcal practices, deadline : 3 days. Clearence codes attached.

Tighbeam Encoded transmission.

The DE Chief of the Admiralty, A liason from the Trade Commision, and the Secretary of State will be attending.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-06-11 02:03pm

ATTN: Asgard
FROM: DE
RE: Annexing of Floater shipyards

We are outraged that you have taken over the Floater shipyards. The floaters wished that those ships be used to construct ships for the ITA, and we intend to enforce their wishes. We have a fleet in hyperspace, ready to regain control of those shipyards and request that you back down, and allow the ITA to have those shipyards.

We cannot allow floater shipyards to fall into your hands.

ATTN: KSE, PSR, Monacorans.
FROM: DE
RE: Asgard opportunism.

The Asgard have taken control of the Floater shipyards illegally. It was the Floater's wish that those shipyards be used to contruct ITA vessels, and we highly doubt the Asgard will make good on that wish. It is our intention to regain control of the Floater shipyards and hand them over to ITA control. Will you stand with us?

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-06-11 02:10pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:ATTN: Asgard
ATTN: KSE, PSR, Monacorans.
FROM: DE
RE: Asgard opportunism.

The Asgard have taken control of the Floater shipyards illegally. It was the Floater's wish that those shipyards be used to contruct ITA vessels, and we highly doubt the Asgard will make good on that wish. It is our intention to regain control of the Floater shipyards and hand them over to ITA control. Will you stand with us?

Our fleets are forming at staging areas, and the new battleships should be completed within a week, we will stand with you in the event of war but we ask that you attempt to negotiate with the asgard first.
Do not provoke them, negotiate first.

(OOC: I've updated my OOB with ships under construction.)