I think he meant that all of the groups get together for charges.Pablo Sanchez wrote:A ten man cavalry charge is merely an interesting way of committing suicide. I would recommend that you instead take your 50 groups of ten and combine them into five groups of one hundred or so.Alyrium Denryle wrote:They are in their own 10 man sqaud in each centuri. They fight as a unit for cavalry charges...
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I prefer my version, a new version of which should be in peoples boxes within a few minutes. But we shall see what people's opinions are. In any case if your map is adapted my nation will require a northern island.MKSheppard wrote:
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This is still being worked on man. I'm using your map as a backgroundSea Skimmer wrote: In any case if your map is adapted my nation will require a northern island.
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Aragon
Population: 18 Million
Capital: Castille
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Religion: Monotheistic
Major Cities: Castille (Capital); Sevilla, Toledo, Salamanca, Lisbon, Malaga, Grenada
History: After the fall of the Roman Empire the citizens of Castille found themselves beset by barbarian tribes, one of which conquered all but the northwestern most provinces of the land. A movement known as the Reconquista began with the Battle of Navarre when three petty kingdoms united by marriage and treaty marched forth with heavy cavalry and defeated the Barbarian Horde at Navarre. This began the slow gradual war to regain their lost territories. fueled by faith and the finest knights in the world, Aragon was born in blood and travail. The three petty kingdoms were finally united at the Battle of Castille, when the Capital was retaken in a massive battle that lasted four days. Aragon was named after the most powerful of the three kingdoms and the other two were quickly absorbed into the Aragonese family structure. A king was crowned for the united nation at the Cathedral of Castille in 1432.
The battles raged for another century until the final barbarian warlord was driven into the sea at the Battle of Grenada 1528. The kingdom of Aragon was finally united and the rebuilding of a nation began. However a movement grew among the nobles of Aragon who had suffered great casualties at the hands of the heathen barbarians to embrace the traditional values that had seen them to victory.
Libraries were burned, many manuscripts destroyed and contact with the outside world slowly deteriorated to the point where Aragon’s sole contact was the Mother Church. Tradition and religious fundamentalism drove the nascent kingdom into a period akin to a Dark Age.
This condition continued until 1690 when the more robust and cosmopolitan kingdoms to the west decided to break away from the suffocating hold of the Aragonese and in a series of swift engagements, defeated the local lords and declared independence. The Royal line at the time was experiencing difficulties as the king was old and senile and the prince was too young to seize the throne. Without a steadfast leader the lords either attacked the breakaway nation piecemeal, leading to defeats or ignored them for their own agendas.
By the time a new King ascended, the breakaway nation was well entrenched, having built serious fortifications on the border with Aragon. The king decided to wait and the breakaway nation was for all intents and purposes ignored. However, through their influence with the Mother Church they managed to have all the leadership excommunicated.
However the revolution of the westernmost provinces prompted what was known as the “Renovacion.” which began a growing interest in the outside world again as well as a movement to modernize their world and kingdom. The Renovacion movement was slow and faltered often depending on the relative interests of the king, however the newest monarch, King Pedro Alphonso Rodriguez de la Plata was the first prince to study abroad and brought back with him a burning desire to rebuild and modernize his nation.
Military: The Aragonese were until very recently built around the Knight as the backbone of their military with peasant levies supplemented by mercenaries to round out their infantry. King Pedro has begun introducing modern infantry weapons and artillery into his military and has reorganized the support structure as well. No longer will the knight be the heart of the military but still an important aspect of it.
Knights have been transformed into hussars who are deadly with pistol and muskets but are especially deadly when they close to saber range. The fine horses that are raised in the central plains of the country coupled with the cavalry training that all young nobles must undergo dating back to the dawn of the kingdom, many noblemen are more comfortable on horseback than on their two feet, the Aragonese cavalry is perhaps the finest in the world, certainly from the aspect of almost fanatical morale.
Infantry are experiencing a renaissance as muskets are being produced at an astronomical rate by the forges of Sevilla and Salamanca. It is the king’s desire to see a musket in every infantryman’s hands within several years, during the last inspection of the infantry battalions the winter before, there were still several regiments where peasants where wielding spears and simpler medieval style weapons, some that had been handed down from generation to generation.
Artillery virtually unknown in the land until recently is the King’s personal obsession. Cannon foundries are springing up along the industrial centers of Sevilla, Pomplona, Salamanca and Toledo. The demand for cannon is vastly greater than supply, as the King has ordered that all noblemen of certain rank must not only provide a certain number of infantry but they must also provide a number of cannons. Those that do not are taxed. The recent launching of the 100 gun Espirito de la Reconquista and her twin 85 gun escorts Santo Sebastian and El Cid Campiador nearly bankrupted the nation’s coffers, brought the shipwrights of Lisbon to their upper limits in shipbuilding and virtually robbed the land armies from any new cannon for an entire season.
Now the cannon smiths are concentrating their efforts in supplying the hungry armies with their artillery as ship hulls are laid, waiting for the cannons to give them teeth.
Men under arms:
95,000 infantry (currently 70% have access to the most modern weapons)
40,000 Cavalry (50% is heavy cavalry directly descended from knights of old, 30% are light cavalry and 20% are scouts or irregulars, mostly unlanded knights or poor knights who have no money to upgrade to the gunpowder weapons)
300 artillery pieces.
Naval Forces:
(1) 100 gun warship/troop carrier El Espirito de la Reconquista
(2) 85 gun warships: Santo Sebastian, El Cid Campiador
(25) 64 gun ships (25% of these are projected for the end of the year)
(50) Frigates (10% of these frigates are armed with ancient cannons from medieval era)
350 Merchant vessels and growing as the Aragonese strive to forge ties with the far-flung reaches of the world.
If anyone has any suggestions please feel free everything is open to revision.
Population: 18 Million
Capital: Castille
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Religion: Monotheistic
Major Cities: Castille (Capital); Sevilla, Toledo, Salamanca, Lisbon, Malaga, Grenada
History: After the fall of the Roman Empire the citizens of Castille found themselves beset by barbarian tribes, one of which conquered all but the northwestern most provinces of the land. A movement known as the Reconquista began with the Battle of Navarre when three petty kingdoms united by marriage and treaty marched forth with heavy cavalry and defeated the Barbarian Horde at Navarre. This began the slow gradual war to regain their lost territories. fueled by faith and the finest knights in the world, Aragon was born in blood and travail. The three petty kingdoms were finally united at the Battle of Castille, when the Capital was retaken in a massive battle that lasted four days. Aragon was named after the most powerful of the three kingdoms and the other two were quickly absorbed into the Aragonese family structure. A king was crowned for the united nation at the Cathedral of Castille in 1432.
The battles raged for another century until the final barbarian warlord was driven into the sea at the Battle of Grenada 1528. The kingdom of Aragon was finally united and the rebuilding of a nation began. However a movement grew among the nobles of Aragon who had suffered great casualties at the hands of the heathen barbarians to embrace the traditional values that had seen them to victory.
Libraries were burned, many manuscripts destroyed and contact with the outside world slowly deteriorated to the point where Aragon’s sole contact was the Mother Church. Tradition and religious fundamentalism drove the nascent kingdom into a period akin to a Dark Age.
This condition continued until 1690 when the more robust and cosmopolitan kingdoms to the west decided to break away from the suffocating hold of the Aragonese and in a series of swift engagements, defeated the local lords and declared independence. The Royal line at the time was experiencing difficulties as the king was old and senile and the prince was too young to seize the throne. Without a steadfast leader the lords either attacked the breakaway nation piecemeal, leading to defeats or ignored them for their own agendas.
By the time a new King ascended, the breakaway nation was well entrenched, having built serious fortifications on the border with Aragon. The king decided to wait and the breakaway nation was for all intents and purposes ignored. However, through their influence with the Mother Church they managed to have all the leadership excommunicated.
However the revolution of the westernmost provinces prompted what was known as the “Renovacion.” which began a growing interest in the outside world again as well as a movement to modernize their world and kingdom. The Renovacion movement was slow and faltered often depending on the relative interests of the king, however the newest monarch, King Pedro Alphonso Rodriguez de la Plata was the first prince to study abroad and brought back with him a burning desire to rebuild and modernize his nation.
Military: The Aragonese were until very recently built around the Knight as the backbone of their military with peasant levies supplemented by mercenaries to round out their infantry. King Pedro has begun introducing modern infantry weapons and artillery into his military and has reorganized the support structure as well. No longer will the knight be the heart of the military but still an important aspect of it.
Knights have been transformed into hussars who are deadly with pistol and muskets but are especially deadly when they close to saber range. The fine horses that are raised in the central plains of the country coupled with the cavalry training that all young nobles must undergo dating back to the dawn of the kingdom, many noblemen are more comfortable on horseback than on their two feet, the Aragonese cavalry is perhaps the finest in the world, certainly from the aspect of almost fanatical morale.
Infantry are experiencing a renaissance as muskets are being produced at an astronomical rate by the forges of Sevilla and Salamanca. It is the king’s desire to see a musket in every infantryman’s hands within several years, during the last inspection of the infantry battalions the winter before, there were still several regiments where peasants where wielding spears and simpler medieval style weapons, some that had been handed down from generation to generation.
Artillery virtually unknown in the land until recently is the King’s personal obsession. Cannon foundries are springing up along the industrial centers of Sevilla, Pomplona, Salamanca and Toledo. The demand for cannon is vastly greater than supply, as the King has ordered that all noblemen of certain rank must not only provide a certain number of infantry but they must also provide a number of cannons. Those that do not are taxed. The recent launching of the 100 gun Espirito de la Reconquista and her twin 85 gun escorts Santo Sebastian and El Cid Campiador nearly bankrupted the nation’s coffers, brought the shipwrights of Lisbon to their upper limits in shipbuilding and virtually robbed the land armies from any new cannon for an entire season.
Now the cannon smiths are concentrating their efforts in supplying the hungry armies with their artillery as ship hulls are laid, waiting for the cannons to give them teeth.
Men under arms:
95,000 infantry (currently 70% have access to the most modern weapons)
40,000 Cavalry (50% is heavy cavalry directly descended from knights of old, 30% are light cavalry and 20% are scouts or irregulars, mostly unlanded knights or poor knights who have no money to upgrade to the gunpowder weapons)
300 artillery pieces.
Naval Forces:
(1) 100 gun warship/troop carrier El Espirito de la Reconquista
(2) 85 gun warships: Santo Sebastian, El Cid Campiador
(25) 64 gun ships (25% of these are projected for the end of the year)
(50) Frigates (10% of these frigates are armed with ancient cannons from medieval era)
350 Merchant vessels and growing as the Aragonese strive to forge ties with the far-flung reaches of the world.
If anyone has any suggestions please feel free everything is open to revision.
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Indeed, massed heavy Calvary can still accomplish much, unless it guns into a usual concentration of artillery, but small groups would be dropped by one volley from the unintimidated infantry.HemlockGrey wrote:
10 lancers are only going to get shot to pieces.
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Don't ask me...because can't think of a good reason myself.Pablo Sanchez wrote:Then why have them organized together with the infantry in the first place?Captain_Cyran wrote:I think he meant that all of the groups get together for charges.
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Stravo your population is really two high, especially given the density of Cyran's holdings. 15-20 million would be more like it. The military is fine, a larger army would be acceptabul though money would prbouabbly be quite limited for your state becuase of the breakup.
How long ago was that suppost to be anyway?
How long ago was that suppost to be anyway?
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I think we decided that the breakup was 80 years ago.Sea Skimmer wrote:Stravo your population is really two high, especially given the density of Cyran's holdings. 15-20 million would be more like it. The military is fine, a larger army would be acceptabul though money would prbouabbly be quite limited for your state becuase of the breakup.
How long ago was that suppost to be anyway?
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I'm still not a fan. I'd want a shorter coastline; all those pesky random peninsulas are annoying for multiple reasons.MKSheppard wrote:
Whaddya think?
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Jeez, wait a moment, I'm adding names and such
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How about 18 million as a nice middle of the road figure?Sea Skimmer wrote:Stravo your population is really two high, especially given the density of Cyran's holdings. 15-20 million would be more like it. The military is fine, a larger army would be acceptabul though money would prbouabbly be quite limited for your state becuase of the breakup.
How long ago was that suppost to be anyway?
As to money, yeah we would definately hire mercs to round out our infantry as the troop morale and skill is rather low among my ground pounders. Currently however our coffers are suffering with the massive upgrades and ship building programs.
The breakup would have occured something like 50-120 years ago from the time this game starts. I leave the final dates to Cyran, its his country. I want it to be long enough ago so that Cyran's country has time to actually build an infrastructure and relations with other nations and still fresh enough so that my King can rally his people to reclaim the lands.
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I think that 100 years ago would be enough time, maybe 120. I don't want this to be too great of a time frame though.
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Eh, I dunno. I liked my placement a lot more for the other map.MKSheppard wrote:Map With Names
Besides, Marina might get ideas and try to take over my country...
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You just love that mountain chain and cheese eating frogs separatingCaptain_Cyran wrote: Besides, Marina might get ideas and try to take over my country...[/i]
you from Marina
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Don't worry Cyran, if anyone is going to invade your country, by god it's going to be me and I'm ready to fight to defend your country's right to be invaded by me.
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Hehhehehh I'm correcting thatStravo wrote:Don't worry Cyran, if anyone is going to invade your country, by god it's going to be me and I'm ready to fight to defend your country's right to be invaded by me.
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Hell yes I do.MKSheppard wrote:You just love that mountain chain and cheese eating frogs separatingCaptain_Cyran wrote: Besides, Marina might get ideas and try to take over my country...[/i]
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And Stravo, your country could get beaten by the Italians...my country would squish you like a bug on a windshield.
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I'd like Austs to be a relatively small state, since I won't have enormous amounts of time to commit to this, with a short stretch of coastline.
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