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No, I just suck at roman numerals.Erik von Nein wrote: You must not remember the game well if you think Gestahl's Empire was from FFIV.
Just think of Street Fighter combos whenever you try and pull off Sabin's moves and you'll be fine.Darksider wrote:No, I just suck at roman numerals.Erik von Nein wrote: You must not remember the game well if you think Gestahl's Empire was from FFIV.
To tell you the truth, I beat it once, a while ago when the remake came out for PS1. I recently tried to do it again, but I'm stuck on the Vargas boss at mt. Kolts, because I can't get Sabin's blitz to work.
Erik von Nein wrote:Oh, I see. Those things, if I remember them correctly, weren't much larger than the Archades one man fighters, though I don't remember if anyone piloted them.
You must not remember the game well if you think Gestahl's Empire was from FFIV.
I'm not exactly sure Sprites are a good way of judging their size. If you look at the original concept art for FF6, the Magitek armor is at least the size of a small tank.Covenant wrote:Erik von Nein wrote:Oh, I see. Those things, if I remember them correctly, weren't much larger than the Archades one man fighters, though I don't remember if anyone piloted them.
You must not remember the game well if you think Gestahl's Empire was from FFIV.
They're not much bigger than a single guy. They seem to be portrayed as larger in the cinematics, just as how the magitek armor proportions change. But they're still small. Armors are pretty big compared to a soldier, but still not freaking huge like the Guardians are.
Though, in-game, you only use the M-tek armors, in the cinematics Terra and Crew are seen on the Proto-armors, so that's the one I just posted there. The Empire is notable because it has the resources to churn out mind-boggling craploads of these units and deploy them across it's Empire, not because any individual one is really all that great. The armors are more than a match for infantry with firearms, but that really doesn't mean they're much more impressive than the first prototype WWI tanks are.
They also have some other odd units that you really never get much information about, like these things:
So we can consider those types of 'robotic' units (there's also a flying robot unit) probably much less common and not as important to an entire campaign as the rest of the troopers. There's a very limited amount of Magitek knights, who have been fused with magic the way Kefka and (to a lesser degree) Celes were. There's a bit of competant leadership under General Leo.
If they have any capacity to airlift Magitek Armor, we don't see it. And I don't believe it's present on the Flying Contient--just the gunship variants. I still think they're heavy hitters, but I'm not sure how you intelligently counterattack an all-airship force when you lack equivalent forces. The may outnumber the air fighters of the other forces, but those Archadian airships are pretty massive.
The cinematics don't really change anything. The Magitek armor in the old game had machineguns in them when they were used in game as regular attacks. And again, there's the original concept art which portrays them as just as big as what they are in the cinema. So it really doesn't add anything new per se besides shiny visuals.Covenant wrote:Sprites are about as low canonicity as we can get for determining size. These were mostly for people who didn't know what they were looking at, who can now see better. Also, I noted the sizes change. Since the cinematics are new (certainly weren't on my SNES version!) it's worth showing why some people might be suprised to see them firing machineguns.
That seems to be the problem. Gesthal's empire is basically crippled in the sky compared to FF fictions that include more Airships. Hell, even FF2(IV) with it's Redwings airforce might be problematic just from the sheer number of flying, cannon-armed vessels.SirNitram wrote:I'm inclined to favour Archadia for the simple reason their airfleet is sufficient to simply blow away the Empire's force. The Empire, after all, couldn't down one unarmed airship flown by a Gambler. The Archadian Navy is huge and can lock down areas.
How large is Cid's airship? Because the Archadian seventh fleet's flagship Leviathain is incredibly large. I've heard some describe it as being as large as an ISD, although i'm unsure of this, and would need to check pictures and cutscenes to be sure.Darth Raptor wrote:
And ONE airship, but here's the thing: The Dreadnought is possibly the single largest airship ever in Final Fantasy. It makes Cid's airship (the normal airship size, I guess) look like a spec in comparison. It levels several cities in a strategic bombing campaign all by itself. It's only brought down by internal sabotage.
Even after Mateus loses the Dreadnought, he conjures up a huge cyclone
Or the Big Whale, which travelled to the Moon and back as often as you wished. That was a big sucker.Darksider wrote:How large is Cid's airship? Because the Archadian seventh fleet's flagship Leviathain is incredibly large. I've heard some describe it as being as large as an ISD, although i'm unsure of this, and would need to check pictures and cutscenes to be sure.Darth Raptor wrote:
And ONE airship, but here's the thing: The Dreadnought is possibly the single largest airship ever in Final Fantasy. It makes Cid's airship (the normal airship size, I guess) look like a spec in comparison. It levels several cities in a strategic bombing campaign all by itself. It's only brought down by internal sabotage.
Even after Mateus loses the Dreadnought, he conjures up a huge cyclone
