Nephtys wrote:Yeah, I find it really funny how the Blood Ravens 'just happen' to have valuable artifacts from other chapters. I have a Bolter used by the Imperial Fists, that 'just happened' to have been found on a desolate battlefield. Also, Martellus is now wearing one of the psi-shielded armors used by a Grey Knight who died at Lorn V against the Necrons. Wait. How'd the Blood Ravens get their hands on a battle involving the Imperial Guard and Ultramarines?
Gabriel Angelos fought at Lorn V against the Necrons along with the Eldar.
Wait. So he fought a SEPARATE battle from the one involving Chaplain Varrus, Farseer Taldeer and General Sturmn? On the same planet, with the same Necrons?
As an aside, I rather do like General Gentleman. His entire 'chip chip cheerio, aim low boys' line. About time he's not some angry nutjob, but seems to be a guy just having a fun time hunting Xenos while he's not at the Officer's Club.
Nephtys wrote:
Wait. So he fought a SEPARATE battle from the one involving Chaplain Varrus, Farseer Taldeer and General Sturmn? On the same planet, with the same Necrons?
As an aside, I rather do like General Gentleman. His entire 'chip chip cheerio, aim low boys' line. About time he's not some angry nutjob, but seems to be a guy just having a fun time hunting Xenos while he's not at the Officer's Club.
He might be referring to a DoW book. I couldn't get halfway through the first in the series.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."
Just finished the Ork campaign and what a fucking let down. It's now absolutely clear that they made another space marine campaign and did a race swap. You even get some Blood Raven cutscenes in there as orks. There's fuck all gear or customisation and difficulty is nothing more than more enemy HP. The final boss took us an hour and a half- not because he's difficult (or well rendered) but because he's got a staggering amount of hit points. We spent the battle with 9999 requisition and just rolled out whatever we fancied at the time.
In other words short, tedious and lacking in depth. I am disappointed in the extreme, especiallly knowing that it was only the ork being funny that made this tolerable.
Hmm, the imperial guard campaign made a hell of a lot of sense. Sure, there's space marine stuff in it, but there's also a lot of inquisition related stuff, and it makes sense. Also, Leman Russes chewed through the final boss in around 5 minutes, so hey. There just isn't much wargear though, that's in all campaigns. Got to justify having a piece of wargear as the third option, after all.
Possibly it's the ork tendancy to melee that screws them in the final battle- nobz do massively more damage than lootas and can actually stand up to bloodletters. We were just building nobz continuously and sending them in (there was no appreciable difference to capping, WAAAAAGHing and sending them in- just more finicky). They die so fast you can't really cap out.
This just really feels rushed and half hearted. My friend and I have decided not to play on max difficulty for the other campaigns (if we even do them) simply because it's a waste of time. The game doesn't get more difficult, it gets more tedious. And it's just lame watching a chaos marine- even a Nurgle marine- get blasted seven or eight times with lascannons. Especially when his response is to stand there and go 'hmm, that was a touch warm...' and resume poking his insides. Honestly I'm not sure how you could fail one of these missions. Between the free AoE res you get, the ability to res each other, special res abilities and flat out 'buy a res' it seems impossible to fail. Nicely enough on the first level your main hero is invulnerable too, so that first fight is again tedious but not hard.
I also dislike the new levelling. The skills seem utterly randomly placed and characters are poorly thought out in their design. Mr Spookums, the ork kommando can stealth. Pity he can never do anything with it as any action instantly reveals him. If he's close to the enemy the fact he's made out of tissue paper will also become apparent. Maybe other races are handled better but I looked at the marines and couldn't see anything well done there either. The Ancient- which I assume will be a special character coming to a tabletop near you soon- can't decide if he wants to be Avitus, Thaddeus or Tarkus and you have to start levelling him with no idea what wargear you'll have available. Oh and if you bought the collector edition- don't use the unlocks. Space Marine Commander starting Armour- 3. Space Marine Starting Armour with unlocks- 105. Any challenge you might have faced will be made moot. Orks are in a similar position.
Oh and the pathing is fucked. I don't know what they changed but it's screwed up. There's often more ways to get to any given location in this one, which is good, but if a character decided for a moment 'hey, there's too many nobz in the way just now' he'll find an alternate path. Often as not this means he wanders off some other path, only to again come to your attention because he's dead halfway across the map. Admittedly this is a problem mainly for the support ork (or presumably support characters in general) but as a hint- don't put mines down anywhere you want a vehicle to go- they can't cross them even though your troops can.
So, finally got to wave 20 of last stand. The lord general is definitely earning his paycheck. The ogryns mulch infantry and soak damage like a sponge, the sniper rifle can seriously hurt anything, and the executioner turret is just great damage. The team included a doppelganging sorceror and a veil of tears and teleporting farseer. Hilarious team.
Yeah. When you get to Wave 20 and all of a sudden the view letterboxes into a cinematic in Last Stand, you know you're in trouble.
*whimpers*
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Out of Context Theatre, this week starring Darth Nostril.
-'If you really want to fuck with these idiots tell them that there is a vaccine for chemtrails.'
So, I'm playing through mission by mission now, and my biggest annoyance so far is the way items are so picky about where you click them in order to select them. I mean what the fuck? In the full game and Chaos Rising I could click anywhere on an object or unit, and now I have to click in one specific place or it won't register as selected?
"It's you Americans. There's something about nipples you hate. If this were Germany, we'd be romping around naked on the stage here."
Is the game stand-alone or does it require the earlier editions to play? Also does it require both Steam and That Fucker Windows Live?
DOWII is a game that sits on my shelf because connecting to Steam, connecting to Fucking Windows Live, sacrificing the goat and doing the time-warp dance just to get a beer-n-pretzels game to run is too much bother.
While Steam has improved its act to the point where I can type the word 'Steam' not in conjuction with a varient on 'Fuck', Fuckity Windows Live has not.
Don't abandon democracy folks, or an alien star-god may replace your ruler. - NecronLord
Hooray, we get to know who the traitor in Chaos Rising is.
The Ancient and the Plasma Cannon are the most broken things ever when combined.
Lord General's got a rough time through SP. Best I've found is to just buy stock guardsman squads and swamp the enemy in bodies and flamers.
I still have no idea how Chaos can possibly play these missions.
As for Last Stand...
Anvil of Knorne is brutal. I get clobbered, even with an exprienced team holing out near the north buildings.
Nephtys wrote:
The Ancient and the Plasma Cannon are the most broken things ever when combined.
Lord General with his reload speeding ability and a full pop of Leman Russes beg to differ. Vanquishers with enough autocannon grade RoF they spontaneously generate anti-infantry abilities laugh at anything and everything. Also, do you hate your melee heroes?
Lord General's got a rough time through SP. Best I've found is to just buy stock guardsman squads and swamp the enemy in bodies and flamers.
See above, and also try upgraded catachans. They mulch things they have no rights mulching. Meltagun for the odd vehicle and heavy infantry, grenade launcher and megashotties for infantry hilarity. Explosive shot can get them out of melee and they're disturbingly tough. Plus, they make a good tarpit for the heroes. This goes double with proper use of the Inquisitor or her replacement. (Hotshot lasgun fire rate with pinning is morally and ethically wrong).
Nephtys wrote:
Wait. So he fought a SEPARATE battle from the one involving Chaplain Varrus, Farseer Taldeer and General Sturmn? On the same planet, with the same Necrons?
As an aside, I rather do like General Gentleman. His entire 'chip chip cheerio, aim low boys' line. About time he's not some angry nutjob, but seems to be a guy just having a fun time hunting Xenos while he's not at the Officer's Club.
I never bought DoW Ascension the book, so, I won't be able to tell. But the plotline is the Farseer Gabriel tangles with on Tartarus leads him to Lorn V because the Necrons are there.
Also, mind spoilerising and telling who the traitor was?
Let him land on any Lyran world to taste firsthand the wrath of peace loving people thwarted by the myopic greed of a few miserly old farts- Katrina Steiner
PainRack wrote:
Also, mind spoilerising and telling who the traitor was?
Spoiler
Either Avitus or Thaddeus. I don't believe it specifies which.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."
xthetenth wrote:
Lord General with his reload speeding ability and a full pop of Leman Russes beg to differ. Vanquishers with enough autocannon grade RoF they spontaneously generate anti-infantry abilities laugh at anything and everything. Also, do you hate your melee heroes?
Finally got to a point with the Vanquishers and Lord General ROF power, I actually "flew in" the Russes on the Judgement of Carrion and the Ork Mek kicked the shit out of them.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."
xthetenth wrote:
Lord General with his reload speeding ability and a full pop of Leman Russes beg to differ. Vanquishers with enough autocannon grade RoF they spontaneously generate anti-infantry abilities laugh at anything and everything. Also, do you hate your melee heroes?
Finally got to a point with the Vanquishers and Lord General ROF power, I actually "flew in" the Russes on the Judgement of Carrion and the Ork Mek kicked the shit out of them.
The Mek is pretty nasty if you show your rears, and it's kind of a suboptimal place for it. A lot of the hilarity is the unmatched range they get to churn out hate at, and the Mek goes straight into knife-fight range.
xthetenth wrote:
Lord General with his reload speeding ability and a full pop of Leman Russes beg to differ. Vanquishers with enough autocannon grade RoF they spontaneously generate anti-infantry abilities laugh at anything and everything. Also, do you hate your melee heroes?
Finally got to a point with the Vanquishers and Lord General ROF power, I actually "flew in" the Russes on the Judgement of Carrion and the Ork Mek kicked the shit out of them.
Not quite as hilarious as calling in artillary strikes from off screen Baalisks while inside that space hulk though, they must make spaceships open topped in the future.
This odyssey, this, exodus. Do we journey toward the promised land, or into the valley of the kings? Three decades ago I envisioned a new future for our species, and now that we are on the brink of realizing my dream, I feel only solitude, and regret. Has my entire life's work been a fool's crusade? Have I led my people into this desert, only to die? -Admiral Aken Bosch, Supreme Commander of the Neo-Terran Front, NTF Iceni, 2367
PainRack wrote:
Also, mind spoilerising and telling who the traitor was?
Spoiler
Either Avitus or Thaddeus. I don't believe it specifies which.
Spoiler
Considering how suspicious his miraculous return was I'm a little disappointed it didn't turn out to be Martellus.
Spoiler
It is Avitus. Tarkus talks about how he was forced to kill a Comrade from the Kronus campaign, who became good friends with him while fighting against the Tyranid Fleet, in order to get Diomedes's butt moving.
Well, I couldn't recall which one was in Dark Crusade.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."
Yeah, I was distinctly disappointed that they forgot to do what CR did and disable remote-support gizmos on the Judgement of Carrion.
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Out of Context Theatre, this week starring Darth Nostril.
-'If you really want to fuck with these idiots tell them that there is a vaccine for chemtrails.'
Just finished campaign with the Lord General. What is this RoF increase wargear that everyone is talking about?
I guess I didn't really need it though. I beat the last boss with a baneblade, a squad of guardsmen (for repairing) and a whole ton of Leman Russ Vanquishers. Oh and Sergeant Merrick with an awesome level 10 autocannon (that calls in artillery strikes!) and the "no setup time" ability absolutely destroys everything.
Vendetta wrote:Richard Gatling was a pioneer in US national healthcare. On discovering that most soldiers during the American Civil War were dying of disease rather than gunshots, he turned his mind to, rather than providing better sanitary conditions and medical care for troops, creating a machine to make sure they got shot faster.
