EA inks deal with GOG

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Re: EA inks deal with GOG

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Stark wrote:You think it's 'valid' because you like downloading stuff for free.
Like? I don't pirate software. I pay for it, or I don't buy it and don't download it. The last game I played that I didn't pay for was given to me on a DVD-R. Liked it so much I bought it. That was Oblivion.
Even if you shrined some ridiculous 'only own it until x years after you stop supporting it' idea into law, publishers would just keep pushing out tiny incremental patches to game the law and retain the value of the IP.
Read what I wrote again. I said separate the technology from the IP. They retain ownership of the IP but loose ownership of the software only if they leave it unpatched.
The very fact that GOG can make money out of selling old games demonstrates why it's daft to expect owners everywhere to lose their asset because people want to play old games.
And this sentence confirms your intent. You only want to troll. Earlier in the thread you argued against GOG. Now you argue in its favor. I am done debating with you.[/quote]
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Re: EA inks deal with GOG

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I'm still struggling with why you think ownership should be predicated on some conditional level of support. Aside from 'it's convenient for me', I mean. Would this be extended to other assets? Its fascinating that you bring up old OS or unavailable hardware, but intentionally snip (ignore) my reference to arcade or console hardware, which is far more 'unavailable' to the enthusiast or end user these days. It seems you're saying that anyone who owns software on PC specifcally must either make it constantly work (or patch it, which you repeat despite the obvious way any owner would defeat that law) or lose ownership of it.

Since this is essentially taking something from an owner, I expected you to have a pretty profound reason as to why this was necessary to be codified in law.

It's pretty pathetic that you see someone who can understand the GOG business model without wanting any of their products and simply respond with knee jerk personal attacks. :lol: Amusingly, your demands for free software would have prevented GOG even existing, so you using it and desiring its products to be free must be trolling too.

Vympel, maybe it was sideways rolling? There was some specific (really useful) thing you couldn't do in the first one.
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Stark wrote:
Vympel, maybe it was sideways rolling? There was some specific (really useful) thing you couldn't do in the first one.
The original definitely had sideways rolling. However I'm almost positive that it didn't have forward or backwards rolling, which No Regret added.

I could be wrong though. Guess I'll find out shortly.
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Stark wrote:Since this is essentially taking something from an owner, I expected you to have a pretty profound reason as to why this was necessary to be codified in law.
While I agree with you on the specific point of losing copyright due to lack of support/availability, which is just a legal nightmare for all concerned, I do not agree on software copyright in general.

Copyright is not ownership, although certainly a lot of media industry propaganda talks like that. Copyright is a monopoly on reproduction granted to rights holders by society as a whole and enforced through the legal system backed up by use of force by the state. We allow artists to demand that the police imprison anyone making copies of their work, because we believe that doing so will be better for everyone in the long run. We judge that the increase in production of intellectual property, and to a lesser extent the wellbeing of the creators, is worth stripping everyone else of the ability to make copies, of making the IP unavailable to people who can't afford it, of chilling progress and removing the ability to reuse and remix content into new works. 'Moral rights of the authors' is a canard, there is no fundamental moral right to stop other people from enjoying or even profiting from your work, this is a constant fact of life for a whole plethora of things not covered by copyright.

IMHO copyright is ok in principle but the terms have been ludicrously biased in favour of creators and away from the maximum benefit to the general population by decades of lobbying. 95 years for all works is ludicrous. For computer software, 20 years is completely sensible. Arguably ten years is more than sufficient to maintain production of new works, since no one thinks about revenues after five years when budgeting development of a computer game. Yes indefinite copyright allows some companies to make a little more money on their back catalogue, but I don't think there is a compelling argument that this improves the rate and quality of new game creation enough to burden everyone with the costs of compliance (and yes, make a lot of games only available through illegal channels, dimminishing the force of law itself through pervasive violation). Or are you seriously claiming that if abandonware was legal EA would be unwilling or unable to make as many new games?
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Starglider wrote:We allow artists to demand that the police imprison anyone making copies of their work, because we believe that doing so will be better for everyone in the long run.
Unless I'm gravely mistaken, no, we don't. Isn't copyright is a civil matter?
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It also is a criminal offence to pirate and/or break copyright in most nations these days.
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