Deus Ex: Human Revolution

[Simon_Jester]

I always thought of it as fast-twitch versus sustained lifting capacity. In real life there's a connection between your ability to throw a punch and your ability to bench-press heavy objects, but it's not quite one for one.

[Chirios]

The basic idea behind the plot seems alright to me. You've got cosmetic enhancements of the human body, coupled with the fact that you need to take a special drug to make the enhancements work, and that this drug might kill you. So the question is do you accept momentary glory in the form of super-strength or invisibility or whatever

The gameplay looks pretty good as well. You've got multiple entry and exit points, different ways to complete the mission. That said I've never played the original Deus Ex so maybe it's not as good as it could be.

[Stark]

What about the gameplay looks good? Do you have any reason to believe any of the crap they're saying about flexibility? Their most significant claim - that you can play the entire game without being forced into violence - sounds like they're trying way too hard to cater to 'the fans'. Ambition is not a frequent bedfellow of success.

And lets hope the game isn't an inventory-based RPG full of hoarding. There's a chance, however small, that it'll be an interesting game, but the ability to carry five suits of armour is not a critical element.

[Tolya]

The gameplay looks pretty good as well. You've got multiple entry and exit points, different ways to complete the mission. That said I've never played the original Deus Ex so maybe it's not as good as it could be.

Please, do not rate the actual gameplay based on developer claims that the game has "multiple entry and exit points and different ways to complete the mission". That is not a prerequisite for solid gameplay. It actually has little to do with actual gameplay.

I remember that Battlecruiser 3000AD and subsequent Derek Smart programming farts were all about FREEEEDOOOM! but never actually let you do something interesting. Call of Duty Airborne let you bloody parachute in a place of the map of your choosing, but it was basically useless: if you wanted to survive you'd better stick to the preplanned drop zones or else you'll be gangraped by Schmeissers.

Oh, and let's not forget X3. The game where you could literally almost do everything but ultimately the gameplay was good only for hardcore accountants (no offense meant).

The actual gameplay of DE:HW looks like a hybrid of Rainbow Six: Vegas and Inspector Gadget. It does not necessarily mean the game will be bad, but somehow all their ideas seem recycled, as does the actual gameplay.

Prove me wrong, Square Enix.

[Stark]

They claim dialog is/can be a major part of the various conflicts, but they haven't shown any of this and it just sounds like 'hey, remember in Deus Ex when you could xyz? We've got that honest!' The speil around the FIVE PILLARS looks like a cut and paste from DE fanboards circa 2004.

I mean, Alpha Protocol had dialog being a major part of all the missions, and we all know how well THAT turned out.

[Bluewolf]

So is this thread just going to be another "Stark shits on a game he happens to dislike" session? Because that's all this thread is turning out to be.

[Stark]

When you read the thread, do you just skim over everyone else's posts?

I mean, feel free to provide actual information beyond the largely baseless dev statements already mentioned. It's not my fault you are butthurt; if there's information out there people have missed, why not provide it instead of whining about people daring to be unimpressed by prerendered cutscenes, ambitious developer claims, and uninspired gameplay footage?

[Chardok]

So is this thread just going to be another "Stark shits on a game he happens to dislike" session? Because that's all this thread is turning out to be.

I have two words for you, sir:
Duke Nukem.


Thanks for stopping by.

[Bluewolf]

I don't understand what you are babbling about.

[Chardok]

I don't understand what you are babbling about.

GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE LOOKS TEH COOLZORZ + DEV COMMENTARY SAYS GAME IS WIN = GAME MUST BE THE AMAZINGZ


Duke.


Nukem.


Should be amazing by those metrics.

[Bluewolf]

I never said anything about it being good or bad based on the gameplay though.

[Stark]

That shouldn't be a new experience for you.

Regardless, since you've decided to vent your spleen on bad old Stark, time for you to face facts. This thread - about the upcoming game Deus Ex HR, one of the only major releases in August - has demonstrated two things.

A) Pretty much nobody on SDN gives a fuck about it

B) Those that do are split between people who liked the old games who hope this one is good, and those who are going by the marketing and pre-release information who see little reason to expect it to be good

Nobody has said the game will be shit, or ragged on it or whatever you seem to think is happening; it isn't even out yet. People are talking about their impressions of pre-release information. There's always a chance it'll be good; if the devs are successful, it could well be a good game. There's just fuck-all evidence, and what there is doesn't impress me (or others, in case you're too blinkered to notice). I'll still be playing it on day one.

EDIT - Come on Chards, he hasn't made any actual positive statements at all. You're giving Bluewolf too much credit for forming complete thoughts.

[Bluewolf]

Look I am not going to keep going at this if you keep hurling insults at me.

[Stark]

So you keep saying, but you keep posting passive-aggressive shit like 'don't say things I don't like or I'll go away, however I have no intention of posting any thoughts of my own'.

What do you think you're 'keeping at' beyond whining? Do you think being credulous about near-baseless developer claims makes you special? Yes, of course, if the game perfectly balances combat, stealth, hacking, dialog and the other thing into a perfect storm of flexiblity and excitement it'll be good. Are there any facts to suggest this will be the case?

Anyone?

I guess you're trying to invalidate the opinions of everyone who disagrees with you based on hurt feelings.

[Bluewolf]

Again I never said that the game will be good or bad. I just talked about preference. Look I am sorry if I am not posting any thoughts but I don't want to be savaged for potentially looking forward to this game. On top of that I don't really look forward to a mental battle where you turn into Yhatzee for this thread.

[Stark]

You pretty clearly devalued the 'preference' of those who say 'negative' (ps, sceptical) things with posts like

So is this thread just going to be another "Stark shits on a game he happens to dislike" session? Because that's all this thread is turning out to be.

I mean maybe you figure this is neutral language, but nobody is being 'savaged' in this thread for anything but constantly posting about how they're going to stop posting.

Please, do not rate the actual gameplay based on developer claims that the game has "multiple entry and exit points and different ways to complete the mission". That is not a prerequisite for solid gameplay. It actually has little to do with actual gameplay.

Is this a savaging? Is it Stark mentally battling someone?

In short, do you have a fucking point beyond 'I this this game will be good but am too cowardly to actually come out and say it, for fear of having to defend my views'? Frankly, the very ambition of the game and gametype makes it more necessary than usual to be sceptical of marketing. Its another source of scepticism that there is little direct continuity development wise, and that there's nothing that really allows verification of the developer ambition.

Clearly, a savaging.

[Bluewolf]

Look, maybe I don't want to have to get into a debate over a game I may personally like? Why should I have to justify that?

[Flagg]

Look, maybe I don't want to have to get into a debate over a game I may personally like? Why should I have to justify that?

Then maybe you should STFU and wait for the game to come out before trying to defend it instead of posting passive aggressive bullshit?

[Bluewolf]

If I said anything positive about the trailers, the game play I've seen so far or anything like that, I'd get shat on by others because they think it's awful etc etc when in the end a lot of it comes down to personal taste and opinion.

[Chardok]

Look, maybe I don't want to have to get into a debate over a game I may personally like? Why should I have to justify that?

But you're GETTING INTO THE DEBATE, MANG. Let me ask you something - you see a thing, and you've already decided you're going to like it, Cool. I do that all the time, to a fault. then when STRAK or whoever is all "LOL u Dum for liek dumbness" just own it.


Hell, you should see when I get all Last Starfightery on XBL. you just deflect that shizz back with deathblossom, holmes.

(Incidentally, any argument I make for or against anything ever is immediately dismissed by certain people because "No one cares what you think; you like The Last Starfighter")

[Stark]

What do you base that on? Tolya and I aren't impressed by the gameplay, but I haven't seen very much of it. Why don't you share your views (particualrly if they're based on information I've repeatedly expressed a desire for) instead of starting off by tarring everyone else as bad people?

[Bluewolf]

Well I was going to say, I would but I feel like I'd be insulted for them.

For me this game is one of those you really just don't want to see be awful. I loved DX1 and I hoped to get a good sequel of it. I played the Leaked Beta and I am kinda hopeful. There are some things off like the boss battle you get to do which boils down to spamming explosives and machine gun shots at it and Tetris inventory is not the most fantastic thing. Combat in general, I am not the best judge on as I don't play too many RPGs or Shooters.

I find the theme of augmentations a potentially interesting one though and I am hoping the dialogue and plot will be good, hopefully, doing better than the old DX1.

[Stark]

But you're GETTING INTO THE DEBATE, MANG. Let me ask you something - you see a thing, and you've already decided you're going to like it, Cool. I do that all the time, to a fault. then when STRAK or whoever is all "LOL u Dum for liek dumbness" just own it.


Hell, you should see when I get all Last Starfightery on XBL. you just deflect that shizz back with deathblossom, holmes.

(Incidentally, any argument I make for or against anything ever is immediately dismissed by certain people because "No one cares what you think; you like The Last Starfighter")

Turns out your opinions shouldn't be influenced by the opinions of others - but rather, the REASONS for those opinions. If you don't agree with why someone feels the way they do, why stress about the way they feel?

Chards honestly does like the Last Starfighter. I don't. Big... deal? Preference for monocled crab-people IRRELEVANT!

[Stark]

Well I was going to say, I would but I feel like I'd be insulted for them.

For me this game is one of those you really just don't want to see be awful. I loved DX1 and I hoped to get a good sequel of it. I played the Leaked Beta and I am kinda hopeful. There are some things off like the boss battle you get to do which boils down to spamming explosives and machine gun shots at it and Tetris inventory is not the most fantastic thing. Combat in general, I am not the best judge on as I don't play too many RPGs or Shooters.

I find the theme of augmentations a potentially interesting one though and I am hoping the dialogue and plot will be good, hopefully, doing better than the old DX1.

There was a leaked beta for DEHR? Holy shit dude, give us the goddamn scoop on how it plays already!

[Bluewolf]

Not being an ass but is that sarcasm? (if not I will post properly in a bit after this CoH game)