Can we blame Ando for Far Cry 3

[Ford Prefect]

A person I know who trolls white supremacist forums informs me that Far Cry 3 has received outstanding reviews for racial purity.

Having seen the two endings I'm not fucking surprised.

[xthetenth]

Out of morbid curiosity, what makes it not surprising?

[Stark]

It sounds logical to me, but I wonder how it is that we can "fix" games so easily and yet these devs cannot.

I'm prepared to blame it 100% on 'whiny forums' and 'retarded reviewers'. This is an industry where professionals put the metacritic rating of games they've worked with on their resume. Poor decisions are driven from the peanut gallery, and almost every single one of FC3's problems (except the crap hunting) is driven by 'lets please everyone who cried like a little bitch about FC2 by making a series of obvious errors'.

Also: racism.

[Aaron MkII]

I can kind of see a nugget of a good game in here. One where Jason is driven to become a monster in the first half to save his friends and in the second half it's turned on it's head. The locals on the second island would consider you a massive liability and force your character to examine his abandonment of what makes us human.

But we got blood nipple pasties.

[Ford Prefect]

Out of morbid curiosity, what makes it not surprising?

You really have to see it to believe it.

Afterwards you may still have considerable trouble believing it. Just remember to not get mixed up with those savage tribals!

[CaptHawkeye]

Ah I see.

The moral of the story either way is "brown people are evil join them y/n?". 9/10 game guys.

[Stark]

The story COULD have been interesting; the CIA guy and Vaas could have been sold as victims of the endless violence who just need to escape (either by pleasing their masters or dying) and the player being used by everyone to assist them in leaving (and being tricked into staying in what is basically hell).

But nope, that'd be too close to Far Cry 2, a story literally nobody was intelligent enough to understand. :V

[CaptHawkeye]

It's just jaw dropping how they managed to go a complete 180 degrees to Far Cry 2's confrontation of western ignorance. I'm not sure if it's the result of developer laziness or corporate meddling. Probably the later since these guys were on the right track before. The game strikes me as being built by Suits who misunderstood proper criticisms of the game and attempted to get closer to vague industry trends in both design and narrative. Like douchebag characters and non-event worlds of empty boredom.

[Stark]

Dude, the main character has a BITCHIN TRIBAL TATTOO that is MAGIC AS FUCK and LITERALLY GROWS BEFORE HIS EYES while he GETS WHACKED ON MUSHIES.

Its clearly way above FC2's intellectual level. :V

[CaptHawkeye]

I just read that Massive Entertainment was part of the development team.

Is this the shit they're working on these days instead of World in Conflict 2? Jesus Christ.

[Stark]

It's received massively positive reviews and idiots love it.

Everyone hated WiC.

So yeah quality not worth producing. :V

[Aaron MkII]

Dude, shouldn't you be schooling idiots on my Facebook FC3 status?

[Stark]

Don't mock me.

[Tolya]

Perspective is a big problem in game design... and pretty much everything else. The author who created something (be it a book, a painting or a computer game) is not objective and has a really hard time seeing his work "as is".

That also includes the QA dudes (testers, test leads etc.) who are part of the team and are usually sitting a room away from the programmers and may have probably noticed something but either they were ignored, talked down, or convinced that "this is the right way to do it". Also, there are budget, time and resource constraints, given the fact that the primary goal of a game is to sell itself, not to indulge wet dreams of a small minority of people who care about such things as plotholes or design.

Also, beta tests are usually a bad idea if you want to check design, because you are employing the same demographic who wants to have these idiocies in the first place.

What makes us right also makes us irrelevant. Most people have rather low standards (including me, remember, I enjoyed DayZ) for computer games.

[Tolya]

Everyone hated WiC.

Uh, it has a score of 89 on metacritic and I havent met a single person who hated WiC. Well, beside me, because I sucked at it. So what the hell are you talking about?

[GuppyShark]

It wasn't commercially successful.

[CaptHawkeye]

Off topic but it actually topped sales charts in 07 on release, being a major non-Valve release on PC was something to be proud of.

However milnerds and Starcraft fans said poisonous and downright untrue things about the game everywhere they went. Since they didn't know how to play it-and weren't interested in learning-they convinced everyone it was shit because "lol no base building" and it lost popularity.

I'm sure WiC 2 would still get made if the RTS genre was big-name anymore. It's gone back to a niche market because it didn't make a terribly successful transition to consoles and a lot of the titles in the genre are based on stale gameplay mechanics from 1998 anyway. It's too bad because WiC would totally work on a console but Massive wants AAA attention, which the genre doesn't get anymore anywhere.

EDIT: Fuck now i'm totally going on a WiC binge again. :V

[Stark]

It never cracked the online critical mass to succeed against piracy, and the buzz about it from idiots was entirely negative. No tactics without bases, infanty useless, heavy tanks too heavy, etc. Its a shame it never got ported to console, but the plans were shelved.

Everyone would rather play DoW and other garbage so they got the RTS genre they deserved.

[Aaron MkII]

So I took the good ending and holy shit this is the most racist major release I've ever played, probably most racist game.

It gets it all! She BEGS you to stay! You are strong and I love you!

Oh! And the stabbing! See what happens when you leave the dirty ferals? They destroy themselves.

But it got 90% on Metacritic. 10/10 GOTY, purchase all dlc

[CaptHawkeye]

She love you long time G.I. Joe.

Meanwhile Spec Ops has a great, mature story that actually succeeds at getting across a thoughtful message. 6/10 "Tacked on multi" C- "Not enough rifle scopes".

[Stark]

I 100% ought all the YOU SO STRONG AMERICAN MAN stuff was a setup for a SHOCKING TWIST.

But uh it's not? Is actually just fucking appalling. The reviews don't even mention it - as they didn't mention the horrible shit in Sleeping Dogs.

[CaptHawkeye]

Or the straight up racism WORSHIP in Call of Juarez, another ethnically sensitive title brought to us by Ubisoft. Barely a word about that in even the negative reviews.

But remember nerds can't be bigots they're too smart for that.

[Ford Prefect]

Or the straight up racism WORSHIP in Call of Juarez, another ethnically sensitive title brought to us by Ubisoft. Barely a word about that in even the negative reviews.

Not being very familiar with that game, I looked it up. There's an episode of Extra Credits about it.

PS. what the fuck was going through Techland's collective brain.

[Thanas]

So I took the good ending and holy shit this is the most racist major release I've ever played, probably most racist game.

It gets it all! She BEGS you to stay! You are strong and I love you!

Oh! And the stabbing! See what happens when you leave the dirty ferals? They destroy themselves.

But it got 90% on Metacritic. 10/10 GOTY, purchase all dlc

Wait...I only saw the youtube link but that is supposed to be the good ending? The one where Spoiler

you cut the throat of defenceless women and then get stabbed during sex by some crazy chick straight out of "Cannibal 101"? Not that the other one is much better, considering how the poor oppressed people turn out to be CRAZY NUTCASES

. Holy crap. I can't believe nobody caught that stuff during story meetings. This stuff looks pretty much like clan propaganda.

Or the straight up racism WORSHIP in Call of Juarez, another ethnically sensitive title brought to us by Ubisoft. Barely a word about that in even the negative reviews.

What was the racism in there? Been toying with the idea of buying that game but don't want to give money to idiots.

Meanwhile Spec Ops has a great, mature story that actually succeeds at getting across a thoughtful message. 6/10 "Tacked on multi" C- "Not enough rifle scopes".

What is the story about?

[Aaron MkII]

Spec Ops is a sort of modern day Heart of Darkness/Apoc Now.

Your sent into Dubai after a massive sandstorm to extract a Colonel whose gone rogue and your character gets progressively more insane and more extreme as the game goes on. He drops WP on rogue American troops, burning them alive and takedowns basically become executions.

It's an excellent game, if pretty extreme and gut wrenching. I actually traded it because it was too much for more then one play through. Very triggering.

Excellent game, give it a go if you can find it.