[STGOD-ITA] Interstellar Trade Alliance - official thread

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-27 10:01pm

The New Roman Empire will set about constructing five Gusti warships to be contributed to the ITA upon it's acceptance. However, the Senate will not permit it to join until it's requests have been satisfied.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-27 10:04pm

The fee to enter Roman space is a one-shot deal. It is merely to assure that all vessels in Roman space are properly supervised and pose no threat to our esteemed populace.

You may catalogue, search, escort, and do what you please to Floater trading vessels entering "your" space. What we object to is the simple idea that you can charge people merely for the right to enter "your" space!

The creation of a multinational deep space ITA security force for protecting ITA convoys in deep space. Does anyone second this?

Aye!

The Free Xanadu Militia is willing to offer 20 Strike Cruisers and a single Attack Carrier to this ITA security force.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-27 10:04pm

The creation of a multinational deep space ITA security force for protecting ITA convoys in deep space. Does anyone second this?

The Asgard tenatively support that however we wish to know whose control such a body would fall under. We do not wish to place full fledged combat units under others control. We do offer to begin construction of Destroyer and Frigate class vessels for such a purpose (subject to recal in the out break of war).

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-27 10:07pm

You may catalogue, search, escort, and do what you please to Floater trading vessels entering "your" space. What we object to is the simple idea that you can charge people merely for the right to enter "your" space!

Our guns defend it. Our soldiers protect it. Our sweat and blood has opened the Octavius system to traders and merchants.

We charge not to travel our space, but to be registered in the Imperial database. There is a vast difference.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-27 10:10pm

The Floater Republics repeal their acceptance of the movement, until the Asgard empire's questions have been answered.

I would suggest leaving control of these forces in the hands of one leader, elected from among the ITA nations. The ITA security division would be under his/her control, but subject to recall to their home systems in the event of war.

To this end, I am willing to give one of the Xanadu Militia strike cruisers to the ITA for refitting into a command ship and mobile headquarters for the ITA, as long as all the ITA powers split to bill for refitting her into a C n' C unit.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-04-27 10:19pm

HemlockGrey wrote:
You may catalogue, search, escort, and do what you please to Floater trading vessels entering "your" space. What we object to is the simple idea that you can charge people merely for the right to enter "your" space!
Our guns defend it. Our soldiers protect it. Our sweat and blood has opened the Octavius system to traders and merchants.

We charge not to travel our space, but to be registered in the Imperial database. There is a vast difference.

You're free to charge whatever you like in your own space, and we're free to not have you as a member. Your requests will never be met because there is no one in the ITA proposing them and thusly no one is seconding them which in turn leads to no one voting for them. Changes to ITA policy have to happen from within.

If the New Roman senate will not allow the New Roman Empire to become a member then that is fine, have a nice day. I can't speak for the other signatories but I can say that the Minmatar will not be introducing an 'Appease the Roman Empire, so they might see us fit to take them on as a member' bill.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-27 10:22pm

Very well. The New Roman Empire cannot join the ITA until it is satisfied that it's database requirements are met. It must insist, however, that as it is not restricting free trade in any way, the ITA take no action against it.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-27 10:22pm

The Asgard formally decline the NRE's petion for membership. Entrance fees merely for entering their space stand counter to the promotion of free trade.

We would suggest that if they most obtain a database listing it be made a free requirement, not a financial obligation.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-27 10:24pm

Durandal's Empre wishes to join.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-27 10:24pm

The Empire wishes to state for the last time that the fee is NOT for entering Roman space. It is quite reasonable and charged only once.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-04-27 10:27pm

Stormbringer wrote:
The creation of a multinational deep space ITA security force for protecting ITA convoys in deep space. Does anyone second this?
The Asgard tenatively support that however we wish to know whose control such a body would fall under. We do not wish to place full fledged combat units under others control. We do offer to begin construction of Destroyer and Frigate class vessels for such a purpose (subject to recal in the out break of war).

The security force will be self operating under the joint command of this council. Their jurisdiction will be to protect trade convoys only. No military engagements will be permitted unless they come under attack from an opposing military force. Effectively they'll be a private contractors. They will not be used at all in a pre-emptive military strike, unless of course voted otherwise by this council. The amount of contributions to the security force is completely up to each member nation.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-04-27 10:31pm

HemlockGrey wrote:Very well. The New Roman Empire cannot join the ITA until it is satisfied that it's database requirements are met. It must insist, however, that as it is not restricting free trade in any way, the ITA take no action against it.

The ITA will take no official action either for or against the NRE at this time. Unless it becomes a signatory (or a nuisance), it will be ignored.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-27 10:32pm

Spyder wrote:The security force will be self operating under the joint command of this council. Their jurisdiction will be to protect trade convoys only. No military engagements will be permitted unless they come under attack from an opposing military force. Effectively they'll be a private contractors. They will not be used at all in a pre-emptive military strike, unless of course voted otherwise by this council. The amount of contributions to the security force is completely up to each member nation.

How will armed merchants (as seperate from Merchant Cruisers) be dealt with? And what rules shall govern the securityt force in the case of intermember-warfare?

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-04-28 12:31am

Stormbringer wrote:
Spyder wrote:The security force will be self operating under the joint command of this council. Their jurisdiction will be to protect trade convoys only. No military engagements will be permitted unless they come under attack from an opposing military force. Effectively they'll be a private contractors. They will not be used at all in a pre-emptive military strike, unless of course voted otherwise by this council. The amount of contributions to the security force is completely up to each member nation.
How will armed merchants (as seperate from Merchant Cruisers) be dealt with? And what rules shall govern the securityt force in the case of intermember-warfare?

Our armed merchants have the right to defend themselves, rival merchants will be asked to keep their distance. As the security force will be independant, there is no reason why the trade has to stop if war breaks out. As we're running a democratic trade alliance, members can easilly propose sanctions or expulsion from the ITA if any of the members attack the security force. Basically, the security force can not be used to attack any ITA member, and if they are forced to defend themselves from one there's probably going to be sanctions. Members can easilly withdraw their assets from the security force if they're ever placed in a situation where they're worried that the security force might be used against them. There's no firm commitment, just the right to make one.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-28 12:51am

Durandal's Empire would like to contribute Hawking shields and singularity guns to the ITA as well as Sinful Class Frigates, and Godless Class Fighters.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2003-04-28 01:21am

Recognizing the benefits of free and unrestricted trade, but also recognizing the muscle of large corporations that push small, innovative manufacturers out of business, the UPK proposes that small, reasonable tarriffs be allowed to encourage innovation to flourish.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-04-28 02:05am

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:Recognizing the benefits of free and unrestricted trade, but also recognizing the muscle of large corporations that push small, innovative manufacturers out of business, the UPK proposes that small, reasonable tarriffs be allowed to encourage innovation to flourish.

Agreed. A 5% tarrif is not unreasonable. It would still allow for free trade but would provide a little protection for local companies to operate within their borders without the threat of being forced out of the market.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-04-28 02:07am

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Durandal's Empire would like to contribute Hawking shields and singularity guns to the ITA as well as Sinful Class Frigates, and Godless Class Fighters.

Proposal:
Durandal's Empire Membership, anyone second?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-28 11:04am

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:Recognizing the benefits of free and unrestricted trade, but also recognizing the muscle of large corporations that push small, innovative manufacturers out of business, the UPK proposes that small, reasonable tarriffs be allowed to encourage innovation to flourish.

It is acceptable to maintain reasonable taxes upon imported goods. The Asgard likewise maintains a 2% import tax upon certain products.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-28 11:04am

Spyder wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:Durandal's Empire would like to contribute Hawking shields and singularity guns to the ITA as well as Sinful Class Frigates, and Godless Class Fighters.
Proposal:
Durandal's Empire Membership, anyone second?

We, the Asgard Empire, second the motion.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-04-28 11:28am

Durandal's Empire Membership

Yea (4 required) -Measure passed
Minmatar
Asgard
Floaters
Soirehtyiaz
UPK

Nay (4 required or 3 vetos)
-

PIR - Measure passed

Yea
Minmatar
Floaters
Asgard
UPK

Nay
-

Krytos

Yea
Minmatar
Floaters
UPK
Soirehtyiaz

Nay
-

Abstain
Asgard

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-28 11:33am

AGH! Can't anyone spell my empire's name right. It's Asgard.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-04-28 02:36pm

The People's Interplanetary Republic requests IRA membership.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-28 02:36pm

I yote yea to allowing Durandel's empire into the ITA.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-04-28 03:42pm

The Krytos Star Empire wishes to join the ITA

We will lower the shipping tariffs for other ITA members from 12% to 4% throuoght our space and contribute four newly constructed Glory-class battleships to your ITA defense force

EDIT: the KSE is also VERY interested in mutual defense pacts with other ITA members