[STGOD] Anti-slavery Alliance

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-04-29 07:03am

TSCotC recognises the validity of this treaty, and will abide by it's terms. Our declared neutrality prevents us from doing anything further than endorsing it.

Be aware that vessels carrying slaves (though not prisoners of war) in C'tan space will be boarded and captured whenever possible.

Also, we remember the intent of the NRE to import slaves from forign powers. Should we discover citizens of the C'tan in such misfortune, there shall be retribution.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-04-29 10:17am

The PIR wishes to join the anti-slavery alliance. Slavery is barbaric and will not be tolerated. Ships with slaves onboard that are trespassing PIR will be captured, the crews will be executed and slaves will be brought to a location of their choice.

FBHthelizardmage · Post by **FBHthelizardmage** » 2003-04-29 11:46am

the New Nation of Whats Left will join this treaty on the understanding that creatures under a certain level of intellgence be described as pack animals rather than slaves.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-29 01:28pm

The Kokand Empire will formally join this treaty provided that the second article has been dropped.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-29 02:37pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:The Kokand Empire will formally join this treaty provided that the second article has been dropped.

It has.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-29 03:12pm

We will not permit your Empire to ttraffic in Human beings, r other species of sentient life

The Empire will not have it's policy dictated to it by a foreign power. We will not permit you to interfere in our internal affairs. You are the not the galactic police, and we do not fall under jurisdiction.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-29 03:15pm

HemlockGrey wrote:The Empire will not have it's policy dictated to it by a foreign power. We will not permit you to interfere in our internal affairs. You are the not the galactic police, and we do not fall under jurisdiction.

Morally, we cannot abide an state which treats intelligent beings as nothing more than property.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-29 03:18pm

Beowulf wrote:
Morally, we cannot abide an state which treats intelligent beings as nothing more than property.

Does your state have conscription by chance?

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-29 03:21pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Beowulf wrote:
Morally, we cannot abide an state which treats intelligent beings as nothing more than property.
Does your state have conscription by chance?

Actually, we have a fully voluteer military. They tend to work better that way...

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-29 03:23pm

Morally, we cannot abide an state which treats intelligent beings as nothing more than property.

You are free not to abide us as much as you like. Interfere with our affairs and we will see who winds up as property.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-29 03:28pm

You are free not to abide us as much as you like. Interfere with our affairs and we will see who winds up as property.

Be warned: Current Floater public opinion runs quite strongly against your empire, and some of the hotter-headed voices in the Great Cluster already speak of war against those who treat sentients as chattel. The bondmen/freemen/lovebound of the Free Floater Republics stand ready to counter any acts of agression perpetrated by Imperial Rome.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-29 03:28pm

Beowulf wrote:
Actually, we have a fully voluteer military. They tend to work better that way...

Not always, though the Imperial military does rely heavily on volunteers as well.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-29 03:32pm

Be warned: Current Floater public opinion runs quite strongly against your empire, and some of the hotter-headed voices in the Great Cluster already speak of war against those who treat sentients as chattel. The bondmen/freemen/lovebound of the Free Floater Republics stand ready to counter any acts of agression perpetrated by Imperial Rome.

I would not worry overmuch. Rome has no use for beings who can only exist in zero gravity.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2003-04-29 03:37pm

The Raian republic agrees with the anti-slavery treaty, as long as Slavery is defined according to the Republic's criteria:

1. Forced and involuntary servitude of a sentient species.
2. Any sentient laborer that recieves no financial compensation for his work.
3. A sentient being salable as property.

As Froyts are only semi-sentient, and their labor is neither forced nor involuntary, under Raian law they are not defined as slaves. Labor is simply their role in the Republic.[/list]

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-04-29 04:12pm

The confederacy would be, most displeased should a war of agression be launched against another soverigen nation by the NRE.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-04-29 04:12pm

HemlockGrey wrote:I would not worry overmuch. Rome has no use for beings who can only exist in zero gravity.

Your posturing attempts to threaten other nations will slavery endear you to no one, Romans. You would be wise not to alienate every nation with whom you have relations.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-04-29 04:14pm

Setzer wrote:As Froyts are only semi-sentient, and their labor is neither forced nor involuntary, under Raian law they are not defined as slaves. Labor is simply their role in the Republic.

Pack animals are obviously not afforded the same rights as sentient beings. Further information concerning these Froyts would not be amiss, however.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-29 04:15pm

The confederacy would be, most displeased should a war of agression be launched against another soverigen nation by the NRE.

The Emperor gives you his word that no war of aggression shall be initiated by the Empire.

Your posturing attempts to threaten other nations will slavery endear you to no one, Romans. You would be wise not to alienate every nation with whom you have relations.

It appears our very culture alienates us to the mob and the hyprocrites populating this alliance. Your approval does not concern us. Stay out of our business and we will stay out of yours.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-04-29 04:26pm

HemlockGrey wrote:It appears our very culture alienates us to the mob and the hyprocrites populating this alliance. Your approval does not concern us. Stay out of our business and we will stay out of yours.

If you would say thus to all the people who disapprove of slavery, you will find the galaxy a very lonely place indeed.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-04-29 04:54pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Setzer wrote:As Froyts are only semi-sentient, and their labor is neither forced nor involuntary, under Raian law they are not defined as slaves. Labor is simply their role in the Republic.
Pack animals are obviously not afforded the same rights as sentient beings. Further information concerning these Froyts would not be amiss, however.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-29 04:57pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:
<By "Pack Animals" you do not mean to include the great packs do you?>

<We were bound once by the *False Gods* fighting the Kzin and the Jormungar for their *entertainment* we the family/packs shall not be easily beaten>

I believe they mean beasts of burden, such as ones that carry packs. Rather then creatures that move in packs.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-04-29 05:02pm

While the North American Union applauds the spirit of this alliance, we decline to join it at this time. However, a reminder to all those who may wish to do business with America may be in order:

Trafficking of slaves is a capital crime in the North America Union. We know only too well from our own history the cruel truth of slavery
Ships bearing slaves are barred from transiting the NAU EEZ.
Slaves seeking freedom may request political asylum at any NAU consulate or embassy.
We will not impose undue tarriffs or sanctions on nations that hold slaves.
We reserve the right to interdict and inspect all traffic originating from and departing to nations that legalise slavery.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-29 05:26pm

The Empire accepts the NAU's statements as reasonable.

If you would say thus to all the people who disapprove of slavery, you will find the galaxy a very lonely place indeed.

We say thus to all who would attempt to infringe upon the soveriegn rights of the caesar and the Senate.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-04-29 05:36pm

<While the packs do not understand your customs we are concerned on two points>

<1. Since the Packs fight amongst them selves for resources, we do have a custom of capturing members of other packs this is often used for purposes of marriages (the Male & Female Feanri fight to determine which pack they will belong too), also used for ransome or expatriation to other packs as a result warfare.

2. We do have a situation of a small percentage of our population being "Psychotic" this condition is incurable. Berzerkers are a "Blessing" of the *False gods* and is aggrivated by exposure/use of the *Sacrement*

3. The Berzerkers are also known for following the customs of our enemies the Jormungar & Kzin and eating those they defeat in battle. (Another reason they must be seperated from the rest of the species)

4. The Jormungar nor the Kzin neither ask or give quarter,

mauldooku · Post by **mauldooku** » 2003-04-29 05:39pm

The Kelia Alliance despises slavery in all forms, and will sign a finalised treaty.