STGOD Mark One Redux

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-31 12:49pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:If I go telepath... spies(think about it) with a teep enhanced military(oh the applications of telepaths in space warfare)
Somebody say Zahn? Yes C'baoth did do similar works in the Thrawn Trilogy and you are correct in thinking that it would kick ass.

I actually havent read those... I was thinking more on the lines of B5... Locating cloaked ships, fucking with the minds of the ships crew...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-07-31 02:36pm

Straha wrote:
You're right, but my fear is that with such high power levels available what will happen is that Person A's battle fleet will pop out of hyper-space, BDZ Player B's Homeworld, and then jump away. Leaving player B royally screwed while Player A did nothing against the rules of the STGOD

Thus the planetary shields which take days to batter down over key worlds and ground based weaponry.

Alyrium Denryle wrote:If I go telepath... spies(think about it) with a teep enhanced military(oh the applications of telepaths in space warfare)

Given your behavior elsewhere I'd expect you'd end up powering gaming the ability and not accept any form of compensatory limit on your military firepower.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2003-07-31 02:51pm

I'd be willing to rejoin.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-31 03:43pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Straha wrote:
You're right, but my fear is that with such high power levels available what will happen is that Person A's battle fleet will pop out of hyper-space, BDZ Player B's Homeworld, and then jump away. Leaving player B royally screwed while Player A did nothing against the rules of the STGOD
Thus the planetary shields which take days to batter down over key worlds and ground based weaponry.

Alyrium Denryle wrote:If I go telepath... spies(think about it) with a teep enhanced military(oh the applications of telepaths in space warfare)

Given your behavior elsewhere I'd expect you'd end up powering gaming the ability and not accept any form of compensatory limit on your military firepower.

Actually I was going for amsller holdings and population. BUt I suppose a military limit would be acceptable as well. Considering the background of such a nation. They would have limited holdings and industrial capacity. Fewer shipyards, a smaller fleet.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-07-31 03:49pm

I don't think i'll be rejoining, at least initially.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-31 03:50pm

I would model the telepaths off of Babylon 5...

General civs and grunts are in the p1-p3 range.

Commecial telepaths p3-p6

normal diplomats p6-p9

High ranking officers and military specialists and Governmental officials p8-p12 range... (a few may have telekinetic ability... though this will be VERY rare, and will not be in game initially)

Agents... well they are sually p11-p15(Lyta level)

Now again... I woud be willing to accept limits on their fleet size, as well as industrial capacity.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-07-31 04:28pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Actually I was going for amsller holdings and population. BUt I suppose a military limit would be acceptable as well. Considering the background of such a nation. They would have limited holdings and industrial capacity. Fewer shipyards, a smaller fleet.

I've heard this I'll limit myself junk before. It didn't happen. I suppose if your telepathy only works on others of the same species, effectively giving you a secure communication system and was combine with fleet and military limitations it would be acceptable.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2003-07-31 04:38pm

Setzer wrote:Straha, the solution to that is a common anti-BDZ defense treaty. If player A BDZ's player B's homeworld, players C,D, and E gang up on player A.

Considering how excited I was when I first entered, I really haven't been very active in the STGOD...

Treaties are made to be broken. Notice the last war in the STGOD. I think planetary shields and dispersed territories are a better defense.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-31 04:40pm

I would use it, yeah mainly for communications and for stuff like interogations, spy missions. Making sure someone is telling the truth during negotiations.

Troops would have a sort of limited precog(emotions projected when you are about to do something aggressive would translate into the grunt knowing danger is there, but not knowing from what direction or from whom)

Locating people or ships(honing in on a specific persons thought patterns or listening to the "voices" and finding masses of sentient beings(a ship)

Basically I would be limited to what you see on B5... Not that major... but a nifty twist

Lmitations on fleet... There really snt a reason why fleet firepower would be restricted. But fleet size, well due to the relativly small numbers(probably 3/4 of any other nation) my industrial capacity to wage an all out war would be lessened, and our military would be smaller as a result.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-07-31 04:52pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:I would use it, yeah mainly for communications and for stuff like interogations, spy missions. Making sure someone is telling the truth during negotiations.

Troops would have a sort of limited precog(emotions projected when you are about to do something aggressive would translate into the grunt knowing danger is there, but not knowing from what direction or from whom)

Locating people or ships(honing in on a specific persons thought patterns or listening to the "voices" and finding masses of sentient beings(a ship)

Basically I would be limited to what you see on B5... Not that major... but a nifty twist

How about NO. If you want to have those abilities within your own species I don't care but I do not and have no intention of trusting you to use them on other species.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-31 05:05pm

I dont expect the other races to trust us

Which opens up rollplaying opportunities.

But because if I did Go telepath, my nation would have been human to begin with...

The applications of telepathy really arent offensive in nature. And I would work with(through PM) those I scan and get their permission to do so..

For example, say I want to scan... One of strahas diplomats, I would PM him and ask for permission, then work out what the results were.

I would never alter someones characters or manipulate the intentions of another STGODer

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-07-31 05:35pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:I dont expect the other races to trust us Which opens up rollplaying opportunities.

Stay on topic please this is serious

But because if I did Go telepath, my nation would have been human to begin with...

Humans are not telepathic thus your species cannot be the same. A similar appearance doesn't make it so.

The applications of telepathy really arent offensive in nature. And I would work with(through PM) those I scan and get their permission to do so..

For example, say I want to scan... One of strahas diplomats, I would PM him and ask for permission, then work out what the results were.

If a person agrees that there species will be affected by your telepathy then they can go ahead. I don't trust you and since if I enter it will be with an alien species were just going to assume the minds are incompatible

I would never alter someones characters or manipulate the intentions of another STGODer

Sure you wont

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-31 05:39pm

Sure you wont

can you count in an STGOD how many times I have ever even done so much as call a lethal hit on a another persons ships or population centers?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-31 05:42pm

If a person agrees that there species will be affected by your telepathy then they can go ahead. I don't trust you and since if I enter it will be with an alien species were just going to assume the minds are incompatible

I would ask permission for each individual scan. If you want... your race could be ESP blocked somehow... A part of your races eolution perhaps.

Depending on the background of this STGOD I will try to work in a telepathic mutation into human history emerging around 2245... resulting war a few centuries later as the telepaths, second class citizens, rise up and win their freedom...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-07-31 05:42pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
can you count in an STGOD how many times I have ever even done so much as call a lethal hit on a another persons ships or population centers?

I am referring to your powergaming in Comic book STGOD. Do you want to count all the posts complaining about your power gaming and the requests and orders to edit posts and tone down your powers?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-31 05:43pm

Addmitedly I went a little overboard...

But did I ever mess with the sovriegn rights of another STGODer to control their own characters?

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-07-31 07:13pm

Telepathy is cool, though I'll be reusing the Monacoran Empire from the previous try (Though with Diplomatic Changes.) My Idea for telepathy, and other advanteges is that for every advantage you get, i.e. A super-Army, telepathy, magic, etc., you get an equal disadvantage, i.e. a tug boat navy, easy exhaustion during uses of telepathy or a lack of language skills, low technology levels, etc.

Also who is going to be the Mod? Can we get Stravo to do it again, or is someoen else willing to take it (note: if you're modding the game I thing you should try to stay as neutral as possible, like Phongn did when he was part of it).

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-31 07:26pm

Telepathy by its very nature is straining. See what happens to B5 telepaths... It requires some level of concentration, and anything more than a surface scan is going to be painful for the teep(I love this word) And naturally, many powers are not going to be able to be used by all but the most powerful telepaths.

I would go with industrial capacity limits... We simply dnt have the population for a shit load of building. Wee would start out with a small fleet, and would build slower(while you guys could build 12 ships at a time, we can build like.. 9 or less)

What I want to do, is have a background like again B5 teeps. Only they did rise up against their mundane oppressors and won their freedom.... Hundreds of years go...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-07-31 08:08pm

If I did come in, I'd want to be either like the Vell-os or Polaris from Escape Velocity: Nova... And no, Vell-os can't control minds... Though they do make nifty starships out of their mental powers.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-07-31 09:52pm

The one thing we need to do if this is going to work is have a mod with actual enforcement powers. Not necessarily an official mod but some one with powers of enforcement in terms of the game. That'll prevent the power gaming and bickering that ruined the last one.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-07-31 10:22pm

Stormbringer wrote:The one thing we need to do if this is going to work is have a mod with actual enforcement powers. Not necessarily an official mod but some one with powers of enforcement in terms of the game. That'll prevent the power gaming and bickering that ruined the last one.

That is agreeable, but they'd have to stay a strictly neutral power.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-07-31 10:35pm

Straha wrote: That is agreeable, but they'd have to stay a strictly neutral power.

Good luck finding someone willing to effectively remain out of the game yet still follow it closely

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-07-31 11:23pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Straha wrote: That is agreeable, but they'd have to stay a strictly neutral power.
Good luck finding someone willing to effectively remain out of the game yet still follow it closely

Not out of the game, just not allying with one side or another. It would be unfair to have the person in charge of the game as part of the alliance that has power gaming players in it, no?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-01 12:03am

Straha wrote:Not out of the game, just not allying with one side or another. It would be unfair to have the person in charge of the game as part of the alliance that has power gaming players in it, no?

No, I don't think it would provided we can find some one trustworthy.

No one is going to be willing to stay out of the action, that's effectively what you're suggesting, and still follow it at all. By not allowing alliances or even much support you're basically cutting the mod off the game. That's the problem.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-08-01 12:16am

Stormbringer wrote:
Straha wrote:Not out of the game, just not allying with one side or another. It would be unfair to have the person in charge of the game as part of the alliance that has power gaming players in it, no?
No, I don't think it would provided we can find some one trustworthy.

No one is going to be willing to stay out of the action, that's effectively what you're suggesting, and still follow it at all. By not allowing alliances or even much support you're basically cutting the mod off the game. That's the problem.

I see your point, and accept it, though I would still prefer to have a neutral player doing this.