Xbox Linux + Doom3?

[Tech^salvager]

No it dosen't
It shows tells the OS how to operate the HW

hey I know come to IRC.skyos.net #skyos and will talk

Exactly, however, that is contained in file that do run(or execute), and also helps optimize the command (or order of commands) to give the best preformance).

Why go to IRC? okey, i'll try with Trillain.

argh nope
The OS is the only thing that mess with the drivers.

[Tech^salvager]

Actually HW modems are still being made today. Anyways thats incorrect.

Does anyone use them today? with intergrated network chips that provide perfect functionality?

Outside of networks that is.

Yeah I do. or atleast did before I got cable and will still use them for anytime I need to use them. There the best modems since their HW and not a softmeodem
And I still use a modem for the Cable internet.

[Ace Pace]

Yeah I do. or atleast did before I got cable and will still use them for anytime I need to use them. There the best modems since their HW and not a softmeodem

Question is, does anyone still need one outside of a LAN? esspecially a modem, since its so slow, by then just buy a Network card.

[Ace Pace]

argh nope
The OS is the only thing that mess with the drivers.

I'll try to redefine it again, the OS messs with the drivers, but the drivers also mess with what programs send to the hardware.

I'll again say it, differantly.

Drivers are a program of sorts, but not the one which you execute, but run nativly with the OS, they are basicly translators which translate the program code into functions (commands) for the GPU(for example).
The drivers are between the software and the hardware.
So for example: A GPU driver will take DirectX function calls and translate them into a special proprietary machine code used by the GPU architecture, and in the GPU case, sometimes optimizing them.

[Ace Pace]

Just to add, lets stop nitpicking about Drivers.

[Tech^salvager]

Yeah I do. or atleast did before I got cable and will still use them for anytime I need to use them. There the best modems since their HW and not a softmeodem

Question is, does anyone still need one outside of a LAN? esspecially a modem, since its so slow, by then just buy a Network card.

Where are you getting a LAN from?
And soem infor for you a network usually runs at less then its rated to. Even though its rated for 10\100 it will not get near it cause of the OS's overhead.

[Ace Pace]

Where are you getting a LAN from?
And soem infor for you a network usually runs at less then its rated to. Even though its rated for 10\100 it will not get near it cause of the OS's overhead.

From your inserting HW modems and network cards.

Of course they run at less, that dosn't change the fact their much better then HW modems.

[Tech^salvager]

Where are you getting a LAN from?
And soem infor for you a network usually runs at less then its rated to. Even though its rated for 10\100 it will not get near it cause of the OS's overhead.

From your inserting HW modems and network cards.

Of course they run at less, that dosn't change the fact their much better then HW modems.

What type of HW modems are we talking about. I thought you were talking about a 56k HW modem

[Ace Pace]

What type of HW modems are we talking about. I thought you were talking about a 56k HW modem

Either Network cards (as in the fullscale ADSL or cable AND LAN links) or 56K modems.

Anyway, this is getting seriously offtopic.

Could a mod split the driver and modem stuff?

[Tech^salvager]

What type of HW modems are we talking about. I thought you were talking about a 56k HW modem

Either Network cards (as in the fullscale ADSL or cable AND LAN links) or 56K modems.

Anyway, this is getting seriously offtopic.

Could a mod split the driver and modem stuff?

woah man.
Modems and NIC are differnet. Don't split the topic it fine as it is right now.
btw a 56k modem can't hookup to a NIC and anytime to refer to a HW modem people will take it as a 56k HW modem and not a Adsl or cable one.

[Tech^salvager]

Either Network cards (as in the fullscale ADSL or cable AND LAN links) or 56K modems.

Theres no NIC that can hookup to a DSL or CABLE connection.
First you have to incept the data then change it over to a connection that can hookup to your computer and a netwrok card can't do that.

oh yeah NIC is the same as a Network card

[Pu-239]

Actually HW modems are still being made today. Anyways thats incorrect.

Does anyone use them today? with intergrated network chips that provide perfect functionality?

Outside of networks that is.

I do.

[Tech^salvager]

argh nope
The OS is the only thing that mess with the drivers.

I'll try to redefine it again, the OS messs with the drivers, but the drivers also mess with what programs send to the hardware.

I'll again say it, differantly.

Drivers are a program of sorts, but not the one which you execute, but run nativly with the OS, they are basicly translators which translate the program code into functions (commands) for the GPU(for example).
The drivers are between the software and the hardware.
So for example: A GPU driver will take DirectX function calls and translate them into a special proprietary machine code used by the GPU architecture, and in the GPU case, sometimes optimizing them.

There is no such thing as proprietary machine code. Theres only one type of machine code and thats binary. I will need to look deeper into this now lol but I have a good Idea about it. Just want to make sure that I am not saying incorrect things. The GPU never optimizes anything.

EDIT: Sorry This post is messed up please do not bother with it, but the GPU still never optimizes anything.

[Tech^salvager]

Actually HW modems are still being made today. Anyways thats incorrect.

Does anyone use them today? with intergrated network chips that provide perfect functionality?

Outside of networks that is.

I do.

The whole world does!

[The Kernel]

There is no such thing as proprietary machine code. Theres only one type of machine code and thats binary. I will need to look deeper into this now lol but I have a good Idea about it. Just want to make sure that I am not saying incorrect things. The GPU never optimizes anything.

Bullshit and bullshit, you obviously don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. Machine instructions are represented in binary, but that doesn't mean that you can run a binary for one architecture on that of another. Each CPU/GPU has its own machine language called an instruction set which defines how instructions are given to the various logic units of the processor. While it is true that an assembly language need not be directly tied to the hardware (pseudoinstructions) assembler instructions are nevertheless software approximations of hardware functions and are platform specific.

As for GPU drivers, the drivers of a graphics card takes the high level DirectX/OpenGL instructions and translates them into instructions that the GPU can understand. This is the purpose of a driver: it is a software layer that sits between the OS and the hardware (also known as the Hardware Abstraction Layer) and converts high level code into lower level machine instructions. If you think that a GPU doesn't have its own instruction set and hardware specific drivers, I suggest you try to get an ATI driver to run on an nVidia card. Good luck with that.

[Tech^salvager]

Sorry I did screw up there but gessh you don't always have to swear at everbdoy that makes mistakes.
i was thinking off something totaly of subject at the time of the post sorry.

[Tech^salvager]

dp

[The Kernel]

Sorry I did screw up there but gessh you don't always have to swear at everbdoy that makes mistakes.
i was thinking off something totaly of subject at the time of the post sorry.

I see you edited your above post to further push forward this idiotic point that the GPU is incapable of optimizing instructions which is ALSO childish bullshit. Of course the GPU can optimize instructions, mostly via the drivers given its proprietary architecture, but also through whatever microcode instructions nVidia has chosen to implement on the chip.

Since "optimize" is a rather ambiguous term, I will also point out that a GPU can optimize other things such as memory bundles (via the crossbar memory controller), lighting paths (via hardware shadow culling), occlusion (via occlusion culling), geometrey (via tesselation), anti-aliasing (via hardware AA logic), texture filtering (via hardware texture filter logic), MPEG2/4 decode/encode (via video assist rendering logic), etc. And these are merely the optimizations that can be considered "hardware" based, this says nothing about the drivers that can generate more efficient instructions then the high level API code intended.

[Tech^salvager]

Sorry I did screw up there but gessh you don't always have to swear at everbdoy that makes mistakes.
i was thinking off something totaly of subject at the time of the post sorry.

I see you edited your above post to further push forward this idiotic point that the GPU is incapable of optimizing instructions which is ALSO childish bullshit. Of course the GPU can optimize instructions, mostly via the drivers given its proprietary architecture, but also through whatever microcode instructions nVidia has chosen to implement on the chip.

Since "optimize" is a rather ambiguous term, I will also point out that a GPU can optimize other things such as memory bundles (via the crossbar memory controller), lighting paths (via hardware shadow culling), occlusion (via occlusion culling), geometrey (via tesselation), anti-aliasing (via hardware AA logic), texture filtering (via hardware texture filter logic), MPEG2/4 decode/encode (via video assist rendering logic), etc. And these are merely the optimizations that can be considered "hardware" based, this says nothing about the drivers that can generate more efficient instructions then the high level API code intended.

Your right I forgot about those HW things.

[Tech^salvager]

But Ace Pace your thoughts on what modem is and does compared to a NIC are lets just say incorrect.

[Ace Pace]

But Ace Pace your thoughts on what modem is and does compared to a NIC are lets just say incorrect.

Though that was not the main subject of the debate.

[Tech^salvager]

But Ace Pace your thoughts on what modem is and does compared to a NIC are lets just say incorrect.

Though that was not the main subject of the debate.

Well there two thinge we were debating so might as well.

[Ace Pace]

But Ace Pace your thoughts on what modem is and does compared to a NIC are lets just say incorrect.

Though that was not the main subject of the debate.

Well there two thinge we were debating so might as well.

Well, then conceeded the hijacked part of the debate.

Happy?

[Tech^salvager]

Though that was not the main subject of the debate.

Well there two thinge we were debating so might as well.

Well, then conceeded the hijacked part of the debate.

Happy?

Well I told yau a NIC and a Modem are different. So thats over with.

[Tech^salvager]

Ok after thinking about it a GPU can't optimized code.