Internet Browsers

[General Zod]

However if you are looking for the best browser in the world look here

Shadow I have to say nice work man. I wish I could do that.

what type of system are you running? firefox tends to be a little sluggish on anything more than a few years old. though Opera i've found runs nicely on most systems, even older ones without much trouble.

who me?

why would i have quoted you if you weren't the one i was talking to?

[Tech^salvager]

I'm concidering as part of my webpage to have a small page in regards to the various Internet Browsers out there. Basically I want to be able to give like a small paragraph summing up the abilities and weaknesses of the browsers in order for people to get some better idea of then just going with IE (like what I wanted when I had to reformat my harddrive to remove all the spyware IE let in). Then I want to help by giving a link to where the person can get it.
So what I need from you guys are a few things. Mainly I need just some links/names of browsers which are in use (windows, linux, mac don't matter, but mainly windows). I can do my own testing/etc on the free browsers that work with linux or windows. If you want to help along and give some advantages/disadvantages then feel free to do so, but please no useless spamming (IE is evil!!!!) unless you plan on explaining why. I already know alot about Mozilla, Firefox and IE, so if you have any other browsers which come to mind please post here.

ones I can think of
Mozzila
firefox
IE
MyIE2- uses IE engine, it has a wonderful amount of features.
Advant- same, same.
Opera

[Tech^salvager]

1 Ghz AMD athlon
512MB SDR SDRAM PC133
128MB Gerforce FX 5600xt
20GB HDD
ATA133 PCI I\O Card
some 5.1 sound card
NIC realtek
Windows 2000pro wanting to upgrade to XP pro or XP MCE 05

[General Zod]

fairly decent system then. no reason firefox or Opera should be any less stable than IE.

[Tech^salvager]

fairly decent system then. no reason firefox or Opera should be any less stable than IE.

I never said the wouldn't be. I said that I haven't seen a better browser then IE, MyIE2, and Advant

[General Zod]

fairly decent system then. no reason firefox or Opera should be any less stable than IE.

I never said the wouldn't be. I said that I haven't seen a better browser then IE, MyIE2, and Advant

well, you stated one of the reasons you preferred IE is because it's stable. . .which implies that the other browsers are less so.

[Tech^salvager]

fairly decent system then. no reason firefox or Opera should be any less stable than IE.

I never said the wouldn't be. I said that I haven't seen a better browser then IE, MyIE2, and Advant

well, you stated one of the reasons you preferred IE is because it's stable. . .which implies that the other browsers are less so.

Well if you take it that way then its fine by me.

[phongn]

Safari is Apple's browser and built on the same KHTML engine that Konqueror uses.

I don't have to prove anything here. I stated MO. Like I said I have yet to see a better browser.

On this board if you make an assertion you should be prepared to defend it.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

www.myie2.com
1st best to right there next to IE
My 3rd pick is Advant
IMHO

Please post a Hijackthis log, stat!

[Tech^salvager]

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O3 - Toolbar: @msdxmLC.dll,-1@1033,&Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} - C:\WINNT\system32\msdxm.ocx
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Synchronization Manager] mobsync.exe /logon
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AVGCtrl] "C:\Program Files\AVPersonal\AVGNT.EXE" /min
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvCplDaemon] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINNT\system32\NvCpl.dll,NvStartup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nwiz] nwiz.exe /install
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvMediaCenter] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINNT\system32\NvMcTray.dll,NvTaskbarInit
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [C-Media Mixer] Mixer.exe /startup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime

there you go

Argh I getting quicktime out of the there.

[Praxis]

I never said the wouldn't be. I said that I haven't seen a better browser then IE, MyIE2, and Advant

well, you stated one of the reasons you preferred IE is because it's stable. . .which implies that the other browsers are less so.

Well if you take it that way then its fine by me.

Tech...you claimed IE is more stable and that its a better browser.
You have nothing to assert that it is more stable or is better.
Therefore, until you can back it up, we have to assume you're just making it up and are completely wrong.

[Tech^salvager]

I never said its more stable I said its stable. I've had up to 40 IE's open + Dev-C++, Gmax, 3Dsmax, 2 zircons ( its a irc client ), and MSN running.

Now better browser yes I did say that. It renders all the website I'v been to the best. Its fast, It has a great ( small ) GUI. It works right then and there. And I don't have to DL it to get it.

Now I have had lockups sometimes but thats very rare or cause of a crapppy site.

Assume as you wish.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

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O3 - Toolbar: @msdxmLC.dll,-1@1033,&Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} - C:\WINNT\system32\msdxm.ocx
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Synchronization Manager] mobsync.exe /logon
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AVGCtrl] "C:\Program Files\AVPersonal\AVGNT.EXE" /min
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvCplDaemon] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINNT\system32\NvCpl.dll,NvStartup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nwiz] nwiz.exe /install
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvMediaCenter] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINNT\system32\NvMcTray.dll,NvTaskbarInit
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [C-Media Mixer] Mixer.exe /startup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime

there you go

Argh I getting quicktime out of the there.

The whole thing please...

[Tech^salvager]

ok here you go

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Logfile of HijackThis v1.98.2
Scan saved at 5:58:01 PM, on 10/30/2004
Platform: Windows 2000 SP4 (WinNT 5.00.2195)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v5.00 SP4 (5.00.2920.0000)

Running processes:
C:\WINNT\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\services.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\Program Files\AVPersonal\AVGUARD.EXE
C:\Program Files\AVPersonal\AVWUPSRV.EXE
C:\WINNT\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\nvsvc32.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\regsvc.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\MSTask.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\WBEM\WinMgmt.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINNT\Explorer.EXE
C:\Program Files\AVPersonal\AVGNT.EXE
C:\WINNT\system32\RUNDLL32.EXE
C:\WINNT\Mixer.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\svchost.exe
C:\Program Files\Gaim\gaim.exe
C:\Program Files\Gaim\gaim.exe
C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\IEXPLORE.EXE
C:\Dev-Cpp\DevCpp.exe
C:\Program Files\WinRAR\WinRAR.exe
C:\Program Files\WinRAR\WinRAR.exe
C:\Program Files\Thinkwell\Thinkwell.exe
C:\Program Files\WinRAR\WinRAR.exe
C:\DOCUME~1\JUSTIN~1.BAR\LOCALS~1\Temp\Rar$EX13.838\HijackThis.exe

O3 - Toolbar: @msdxmLC.dll,-1@1033,&Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} - C:\WINNT\system32\msdxm.ocx
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Synchronization Manager] mobsync.exe /logon
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AVGCtrl] "C:\Program Files\AVPersonal\AVGNT.EXE" /min
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvCplDaemon] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINNT\system32\NvCpl.dll,NvStartup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nwiz] nwiz.exe /install
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvMediaCenter] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINNT\system32\NvMcTray.dll,NvTaskbarInit
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [C-Media Mixer] Mixer.exe /startup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime

Argh again I remind myself to get rid of quicktime

[Praxis]

I never said its more stable I said its stable. I've had up to 40 IE's open + Dev-C++, Gmax, 3Dsmax, 2 zircons ( its a irc client ), and MSN running.

So if its stable for you but not most people, and its not more stable than the others, is that really a valid point?

Now better browser yes I did say that. It renders all the website I'v been to the best.

Incorrect...M$ Internet Explorer actually has the worst rendering engine going by standards compliance. The only problem is that some idiots think that IE = standards and code their pages with faulty IE code.

http://www.nefkom.net/g.piesche/ie/

Open that page in FireFox and in Internet Explorer side by side. Read everything and look at the stuff there. You will see just how bad the rendering is.

Its fast, It has a great ( small ) GUI.

The GUI is larger than FireFox, and supports all kinds of Adbars.

It works right then and there. And I don't have to DL it to get it.

Sure, but you have to constantly download security patches, which is even worse. And btw- if you're not using Windows XP, you DO have to DL it.

Now I have had lockups sometimes but thats very rare or cause of a crapppy site.

Should the browser lock up because of HTML code?

[Tech^salvager]

I never said its more stable I said its stable. I've had up to 40 IE's open + Dev-C++, Gmax, 3Dsmax, 2 zircons ( its a irc client ), and MSN running.

So if its stable for you but not most people, and its not more stable than the others, is that really a valid point?

Now better browser yes I did say that. It renders all the website I'v been to the best.

Incorrect...M$ Internet Explorer actually has the worst rendering engine going by standards compliance. The only problem is that some idiots think that IE = standards and code their pages with faulty IE code.

http://www.nefkom.net/g.piesche/ie/

Open that page in FireFox and in Internet Explorer side by side. Read everything and look at the stuff there. You will see just how bad the rendering is.

Its fast, It has a great ( small ) GUI.

The GUI is larger than FireFox, and supports all kinds of Adbars.

It works right then and there. And I don't have to DL it to get it.

Sure, but you have to constantly download security patches, which is even worse. And btw- if you're not using Windows XP, you DO have to DL it.

Now I have had lockups sometimes but thats very rare or cause of a crapppy site.

Should the browser lock up because of HTML code?

1.) Yes its valid
2.)I'll believe IE is the worst rendering engine when I go to one of my main sites and its not rendered corectly, unlike firefox which at one point didn't rendered some of my sites correctly.
3.)And DLing security patches is worst? I don't see how thats worse. I see they are making sure that they getting all the bugs out of IE.
What do i have to DL when I'm not on XP?
4.) mute

[salm]

I never said its more stable I said its stable. I've had up to 40 IE's open + Dev-C++, Gmax, 3Dsmax, 2 zircons ( its a irc client ), and MSN running.

why do you have max and gmax? max includes all the features gmax has plus a bunch more, if i´m not missataken.

[Tech^salvager]

I never said its more stable I said its stable. I've had up to 40 IE's open + Dev-C++, Gmax, 3Dsmax, 2 zircons ( its a irc client ), and MSN running.

why do you have max and gmax? max includes all the features gmax has plus a bunch more, if i´m not missataken.

I was creating a model in max while I needed to convert another model to a .3ds file so I load gmax up instead of max cause it loads faster and I needed it quick.

[Terr Fangbite]

So glad this conversation has gone from listing some not well known browsers to IE vs Firefox.
The list thus far is:

Internet Explorer
Firefox
Mozilla
Netscape
Konqurer
My IE2
Advant
World's Best Browser
Safari

Did I miss anything?

[Tech^salvager]

Can't think of anymore here I think your good to go.

[darthdavid]

So glad this conversation has gone from listing some not well known browsers to IE vs Firefox.
The list thus far is:

Internet Explorer
Firefox
Mozilla
Netscape
Konqurer
My IE2
Advant
World's Best Browser
Safari

Did I miss anything?

Lynx
Elinks
Epiphany
(did you not read my post ?)

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

So glad this conversation has gone from listing some not well known browsers to IE vs Firefox.
The list thus far is:

Internet Explorer
Firefox
Mozilla
Netscape
Konqurer
My IE2
Advant
World's Best Browser
Safari

Did I miss anything?

Lynx
Elinks
Epiphany
(did you not read my post ?)

He probably didn't catch it, with all the (not directed at you) WORTHLESS FUCKING TROLLSHIT SPAM in the thread...

P.S. can you post me a HJT log in the HJT thread? I feel like doing checkups...

[darthdavid]

P.S. can you post me a HJT log in the HJT thread? I feel like doing checkups...

I'd help but I don't get spyware anymore on this box. Maybe i'll do the winblowz box later though...

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

P.S. can you post me a HJT log in the HJT thread? I feel like doing checkups...

I'd help but I don't get spyware...

You're a tease LOL

[Dooey Jo]

Sorry for being OT, Mr. Fangbite, but I just have to comment on this:

2.)I'll believe IE is the worst rendering engine when I go to one of my main sites and its not rendered corectly, unlike firefox which at one point didn't rendered some of my sites correctly.

Firefox renders according to the w3 standards. If something doesn't look right in Firefox, it's not because it has a crappy rendering engine, it's because the site you're looking at has crappy, non-standard following code.

There are tons of things that Idiot Exploiter does not understand, even though standards says it should. It's understanding of CSS2 is just horrible. IE probably doesn't understand a quarter of the code, and not even the basic syntax (like childs). Some of the things listed in the standards can even make IE crash (including an XML declaration in an XHTML document can sometimes crash IE, and will always make it behave irrationally).

Saying that IE's rendering engine is good, is like saying... something equally incredibly stupid!