Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (Two new trailers)

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-10-29 06:03pm

They stopped refering to it as Metal Gear, too.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2004-10-29 06:09pm

They've been calling it 'Shagohod' for some while now, which is, IIRC, a Russian word that describes walking combat robots. After all, why would the Russkies give it an english sounding name?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-29 06:12pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:They stopped refering to it as Metal Gear, too.

Technically, it isn't a Metal Gear. In keeping with the timeline, the first true Metal Gear was made in '95 or so for Outer Heaven in Africa by some other scientist whose name escapes me. Although in the 2004 E3 trailer, Sokolov does refer to the Shagohod as the ""the missing link between artillery and infantry" or "A kind of metal gear". I guess this explains the inspiration possibly behind Big Boss creating the first true Metal Gear decades later.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2004-10-29 06:33pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:They stopped refering to it as Metal Gear, too.
Technically, it isn't a Metal Gear. In keeping with the timeline, the first true Metal Gear was made in '95 or so for Outer Heaven in Africa by some other scientist whose name escapes me.

Dr. Pettrovich Madnar.

Presumably he hails from some eastern bloc country or other, with a name like that...

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-29 06:39pm

Those damn Commies and their doomsday weapons.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2004-10-29 09:53pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:I don't see you complaining about Big Boss' voice being identical to Snake's.

Ummmmmm, wouldn't that make sense?

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2004-10-29 09:55pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Fucking bees, man. Fucking bees.
My, you are a slow one. If a psychic guy with a persona like Steve Buscemi and a Inuit who carries a Vulcan cannon around as a sidearm don't strike you as weird, you've been on loopy juice or something.

Fuck thatl, the wierd part of that Inuit was taking a hand grenade to the face in a cutscene, and then being devoured by Ravens in seconds.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-10-30 12:36am

IMO, Snake/Big Boss is only getting his ass kicked by that chick because he's holding back.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-10-30 04:00am

You mean because he loves her/its his mentor?

Does it really matter; you'll almost certainly end up killing her in the game.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-30 10:20am

Sure he's holding back, or he could simply be not as skilled yet. I'll bet that's pretty early in the game to be honest, something akin to finding 006 is a traitor. The shock of someone so major in his life turning against him, well, you try and get to grips with it.

It looks as if she leaves him for dead almost as she goes off with Volgin, nukes the research base and steals the Shagohod. Then after that I bet he goes after her and has to fight the coolest videogame bosses in recent times; The Sons of Boss.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-10-30 12:52pm

He is pretty good at linking his repeated patterns; Liquid's goons styled themselves "the Sons of Big Boss."

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-30 01:03pm

Liquid was also naming Shadow Moses "Outer Heaven" as well in reference to his father's own grand scheme for a fortress. I'd say this is where the whole genes + memes + scenes thing comes into play. The genetic, memetic and time factors all intertwine with this series, like how all the stories in Pulp Fiction did.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-10-30 01:26pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:You mean because he loves her/its his mentor?

Does it really matter; you'll almost certainly end up killing her in the game.

Yeah, but I need to know that the "greatest living soldier" didn't get pwned from lack of skill.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-30 01:48pm

Vympel wrote:
Yeah, but I need to know that the "greatest living soldier" didn't get pwned from lack of skill.

I'd have to say that The Boss pwned Snake because she is simply the more experienced. Later on, Snake comes to terms with the fact that she is simply not on his side anymore and tries his damndest to beat her. She wouldn't be much of a legend if her friends and herself were easily taken out.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2004-10-31 01:18am

Vympel wrote:Yeah, but I need to know that the "greatest living soldier" didn't get pwned from lack of skill.

He wasn't the greatest living soldier from the moment he was born. Obviously he earns that title when he beats the *previous* greatest living soldier and her bunch of loony freak-show rejects.

BTW, the bit where he talks to the Russian soldier looks damn good.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-10-31 01:34am

Pcm979 wrote:
BTW, the bit where he talks to the Russian soldier looks damn good.

For a second I thought he was going to kill him through the bars, then I realized that wasn't Big Boss' MO- in all liklihood that's one of the little events that will go towards him trying to create a Soldier's Paradise for all.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-31 06:14am

Vympel wrote:
For a second I thought he was going to kill him through the bars, then I realized that wasn't Big Boss' MO- in all liklihood that's one of the little events that will go towards him trying to create a Soldier's Paradise for all.

Didn't see it that way, but I'd say you're right. I'm wondering now if that "EVA" is going to be there to tag along or if she departs in whatever way.

I really can't wait to see the face-off with Ocelot though. Some time must pass since you meet Sokolov unless the guy can become a Western gunslinger in five minutes.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-10-31 09:39am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
I really can't wait to see the face-off with Ocelot though. Some time must pass since you meet Sokolov unless the guy can become a Western gunslinger in five minutes.

You saw one of the previous trailers, right? In it, Ocelot is wielding a PM, and kills a whole bunch of "enemy" Soviets (can't remember who they were) with Revolver Ocelot-type skill & panache. Snake schools him (I think his PM jams?) and as he's got him down on the ground, educates him that the way he fires his gun is more suited to firing revolvers. Then at the end you see him juggling a pair of Colts. So it probably would've taken him a matter of hours, if he already had a natural 'affinity' for it.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-31 09:46am

Vympel wrote: You saw one of the previous trailers, right? In it, Ocelot is wielding a PM, and kills a whole bunch of "enemy" Soviets (can't remember who they were) with Revolver Ocelot-type skill & panache. Snake schools him (I think his PM jams?) and as he's got him down on the ground, educates him that the way he fires his gun is more suited to firing revolvers. Then at the end you see him juggling a pair of Colts. So it probably would've taken him a matter of hours, if he already had a natural 'affinity' for it.

Yeah, I suppose that makes sense. Just seeing him with a tiny PM and then going on to being Charlie Bronsan seemed a bit odd, but then he was fond of that sort of stuff it would seem. I'm just trying to gauge the timeline here because it looks like Snake is pretty much fucked over by Boss when she leaves with Volgin. I see it as a split like between the Tanker and Big Shell sections of MGS2.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2004-10-31 10:41am

Is it just me or do the MGS trailers go on for a hellishly long time? I swear I've grown old while watching them.
I was going to say that I swear I've seen all of the cut scenes by now, but I realised what a potentially dangerous statement that was. Does every boss have a half-hour speech, before and after?

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-10-31 02:11pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Vympel wrote:
Yeah, but I need to know that the "greatest living soldier" didn't get pwned from lack of skill.
I'd have to say that The Boss pwned Snake because she is simply the more experienced.

She also trained him. So she should know how good he is. At least until the end of his training.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-31 03:16pm

Pcm979 wrote:Is it just me or do the MGS trailers go on for a hellishly long time? I swear I've grown old while watching them.
I was going to say that I swear I've seen all of the cut scenes by now, but I realised what a potentially dangerous statement that was. Does every boss have a half-hour speech, before and after?

They have a tendency of being long, yes. But Kojima-san fancies himself a movie director.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-10-31 07:17pm

Yeah- his movies suck, compared to, you know, movies, but for games they're cool.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-10-31 07:37pm

Vympel wrote:Yeah- his movies suck, compared to, you know, movies, but for games they're cool.

I doubt many would sit through 8-12 minute long movie trailers.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-10-31 08:19pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Vympel wrote:Yeah- his movies suck, compared to, you know, movies, but for games they're cool.
I doubt many would sit through 8-12 minute long movie trailers.

They would if it was Star Wars I bet.

Besides, the ten minute previews that they show for movies now can be considered long movie trailers.