Half Life 2 Spoilers Thread (Warning: Spoilers. Really.)

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2004-12-01 12:23pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:
Oberleutnant wrote:He says the following about Opposing Force and Blue Shift at the end of his page:

"blah blah blah"

I strongly disagree with him, though.
I read all of that, and yes, I also strongly disagree with him.

We're all in agreement, then.

Then how do we know that Breen was controlling all of the Combine on Earth and not simply City 17?

From the train station at the beginning:
"Dr. Breen? I thought I saw the last of him in City 14."
"You might not want to say that so loudly. This is his base of operations."

Besides, where does he get the authority to surrender for Earth? He's not the President or President of the U.N. or any other nation's leader. He was just the administrator of the BMRF, which leads me to believe he was striking a deal with the Combine before the Resonance Cascade ever happened. In fact, he probably wanted it to happen.

Well, the biggest metropolitan cities were infested with Combine, and no doubt the government buildings were either destroyed in the appearance of the Citidels, or the conflict following thereafter. No doubt Breen was considered important because he stepped forward as the leader of the location that drew the Combine to Earth in the first place. Whether or not he actually wanted the Cascade to occur like it did, however, is up in the air.

Then I wonder how the G-Man relates to Breen and the scientists in HL 1?

He probably gave him the original samples. He definately wanted us to experiment with teleportation, but again, I don't think he actually wanted what happened to occur.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2004-12-02 12:25am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:From the train station at the beginning:
"Dr. Breen? I thought I saw the last of him in City 14."
"You might not want to say that so loudly. This is his base of operations."

Aha. So then I guess he has more power than I thought.

Well, the biggest metropolitan cities were infested with Combine, and no doubt the government buildings were either destroyed in the appearance of the Citidels, or the conflict following thereafter. No doubt Breen was considered important because he stepped forward as the leader of the location that drew the Combine to Earth in the first place. Whether or not he actually wanted the Cascade to occur like it did, however, is up in the air.

I strongly doubt other nations around the world are all going to recognize some US scientist's authority and follow him.

He probably gave him the original samples. He definately wanted us to experiment with teleportation, but again, I don't think he actually wanted what happened to occur.

If he didn't want any of what happened to occur, why would he have gone along with it? Are you saying that once he acquired power he was corrupted and was willing to accept the atrocities the Combine committed?

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2004-12-02 12:26am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:I strongly doubt other nations around the world are all going to recognize some US scientist's authority and follow him.

What makes you think they have a choice?

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-12-02 02:42am

Pcm979 wrote:
IRG CommandoJoe wrote:I strongly doubt other nations around the world are all going to recognize some US scientist's authority and follow him.
What makes you think they have a choice?

At that point, I doubt there was much of a command structure left.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2004-12-02 04:11am

Precisely. If the conquerors say someone's in charge, he's bloody well in charge.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2004-12-02 12:40pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:
He probably gave him the original samples. He definately wanted us to experiment with teleportation, but again, I don't think he actually wanted what happened to occur.
If he didn't want any of what happened to occur, why would he have gone along with it? Are you saying that once he acquired power he was corrupted and was willing to accept the atrocities the Combine committed?

I was talking about the G-Man, not Breen.

And as per he didn't want it to happen... hey, guess what... SHIT HAPPENS! STUFF TURNS OUT DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU EXPECTED!

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-12-02 02:22pm

My opinion is that the Lambda team created the teleporter(s) and began poking around in Xen. What exactly these crystal were is anyone's guess, did G-man want the resonance cascade to occur?

Here is one little theory.
We know that the G-man needed someone to take out Nihilanth, and we also know that this nasty, warlike, little species created a device to get to Xen. Why not use the little war monkies to deal with his problem.

I happen to think that this resonance cascade was something G-man didn't want. Consider in the beginning of HL where the G-man is talking to some scientist guy behing glass and a closed door. Perhaps he was trying to convince them to not go ahead with the test.
After all, just what were they doing? Well.. the machine was called an "anti-mass spectrometer". We know a spectrometer measures wavelenghts of light objects emit (thus we can discern their mass). Thus, this device might be used to measure the anti-mass of the object (perhaps it has stable anti-matter components within it? who knows!). On the whole, it sounds like it's a sort of frivilous experiment which just might cause something really bad to happen if people aren't careful.