STGOD 4 OOC Thread

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-18 08:45pm

I hope sheild-pearcing pods arn't powergaming, but their ability is to deploy troops at a much slower rate through contested area's...........and we've seen a few sheild-pearcing weapons as the DS9 tek level.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-05-18 08:48pm

Alyrium wrote:As each Lance was fired, astropaths woeked ther best to deflect the shots, and succeeded admirably, only 20 of the original 40 hit their marks. And those that did caused relativly minimal damage to the hulking dreanoughts, all thing considered.

Arcane Escourts then retreated back into the protection of the Heavy ships broadsides. And the third such broadside was sounded.

The fighter sceen in disarray, the heavy weapons asserted themselves, and slammed into the capitalships of the Krell fleet.

Uhh, those are railguns man, you don't exactly deflect them. At short range such weapons are almost 100% chance of hitting. Even so, 20 hits from railguns is nothing to skoff at, thats serious damage! And as I recall the Lance railguns are far more potent.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2004-05-18 08:51pm

lazerus wrote:I hope sheild-pearcing pods arn't powergaming, but their ability is to deploy troops at a much slower rate through contested area's...........and we've seen a few sheild-pearcing weapons as the DS9 tek level.

When Alyrium mentioned 'the shields', I had just thought he meant a localized field enveloping a facility. The offending post has been corrected.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2004-05-18 08:51pm

Planetary shields would keep his planet safe, but his orbital shipyards on the other hand... especially the civilian shipyards repairing critically damaged arcane warships, they are easy targets.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-18 09:05pm

Damn, go to class, and I come back in the middle of a furball.

I'll be posting later tonight, I still have some things to get in order.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-05-18 09:06pm

Yes shield breaching pods like that are powergaming, and unbalance the game.

Shields are ment to keep a planet safe from landings an bombardments. SO the problem is fixed.

WIth the population evecuated to the plane of shadow, your landing area can be tac-nuked.

Unless of coure, you want to wait until the shields are down.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-18 09:08pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Yes shield breaching pods like that are powergaming, and unbalance the game.

Shields are ment to keep a planet safe from landings an bombardments. SO the problem is fixed.

WIth the population evecuated to the plane of shadow, your landing area can be tac-nuked.

Unless of coure, you want to wait until the shields are down.

I am lading a small number of troops through your sheilds, inflicing VERY heavy casulties in the process, not doing orbital bombardment. It's not PG'ing, espcially since we've seen sheild pearcing pods in The Trek Tek level.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-05-18 09:10pm

Les put it this way, if as you said on AIM, are sending thousands of Pods... they will be highly concentrated, and will be weakly shielded, they are sitting ducks.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-18 09:12pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Les put it this way, if as you said on AIM, are sending thousands of Pods... they will be highly concentrated, and will be weakly shielded, they are sitting ducks.

Yep, hence the whole "high causilites" thing.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-18 09:23pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:At the outset here, let me repeat a point I made in the last STGOD on these forums: Wars of total annihilation are historical exceptions, not the rule. Most wars end in negotiated settlements. Total conquest is expensive to accomplish and maintain and the benefits seldom make up for it--particularly in this case, as Aly's infrastructure and industry are at the horse-drawn carriage and family craftsman levels, respectively.

There were definate points allowing Alyrium to back down. He chose not to take that route, and chose war. I doubt anyone is interested in a war of annihilation here, since we still want the information.

Also, in the future, opportunistic dog-piles on whichever nation is weakest at the moment should be avoided. V, W, X, and Y should not always be willing to ally just to carve up Z. Recognizing, for example, that the Ousters are aggressive and expansionist and that any aid to their efforts could prove a mistake in the future, would be good.

This was a special case, I think. The events that caused everyone to turn against Alyrium were set in motion before he was crippled by the Krynor fleet. In this case, it's an unfortunate coincidence that the power that got jumped also happened to be crippled.

I know that I for one am not interested in conquering Alyrium, per se, but if he is allied with the Mechanoids (which he is admitting to in-game at the moment through his actions), then I want to remove his ability to cause further harm, as well as find out just what the extent of his treachery was. If anything, the government is at the source of these problems, not the people.

Suffice to say any subsequent occupation will be less brutal than Ix'agal.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-05-18 09:29pm

There will not be a civ left on those worlds... basically, the military is going down in a blaze of glory, defending the people as they all evacuate to the Planar territories as is there constitutional duty, and withdraw from the galactic political scene

Save Karsus, who will exile himself to Atlantean space

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-05-18 09:32pm

IFyou relly want to invade the planar territories I will post the attributes of the three planes.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-18 09:34pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:IFyou relly want to invade the planar territories I will post the attributes of the three planes.

Yeah......we'll try that, right after we finish coving ourselves in honey and attacking bears.

Shya right, fight you on your own ground where you have every advantage? Who'd be stupid enough to do that?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-05-18 09:45pm

Alyrium, it will take days, if not weeks, to evacuate the presumably huge populations of your worlds. This is a fool's errand.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-18 09:46pm

Thirdfain wrote:Alyrium, it will take days, if not weeks, to evacuate the presumably huge populations of your worlds. This is a fool's errand.

Hmmmm. Point.

In that case, I suppose Aly won't nuke the city.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-05-18 09:54pm

Lets put it this way, the population is between 12 and 20 billion. With the massive portals it would be possible to completely evacute a planet in a few days. And what do you think we have been doing since we noticed your ships on early warning sensors?

And yes, that section, was indeed empty, and no, you wll not cheat on R&D to unbalance the game, even after my empire has removed themselves

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-18 09:56pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Lets put it this way, the population is between 12 and 20 billion. With the massive portals it would be possible to completely evacute a planet in a few days. And what do you think we have been doing since we noticed your ships on early warning sensors?

And yes, that section, was indeed empty, and no, you wll not cheat on R&D to unbalance the game, even after my empire has removed themselves

Fine, their all dead, and I got a few 3ed and 4th level spellz out of it. With the understand that it'll take forever for me to train any significant number of people how to do that.

lazerus · Post by **lazerus** » 2004-05-18 09:58pm

This stuff is desinged to probe the minds of tokra and others desinged to resist mindcontrol, it's a mark of your mages power that they were able to stop it at all.

I got what I got in the post above, nothing more.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-05-18 10:06pm

folks, let's cut this shit out, it's annoying. The second thigns turn against a power, they cut and run.

Alyrium, fight forgoddsakes! make it expensive! You can force a settlement. Total War is NOT a necessity, and is in fact quite unlikely.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-05-18 10:11pm

Thirdfain wrote:folks, let's cut this shit out, it's annoying. The second thigns turn against a power, they cut and run.

Alyrium, fight forgoddsakes! make it expensive! You can force a settlement. Total War is NOT a necessity, and is in fact quite unlikely.

Oh, we ARE fighting. Believe me. You will have a bitch of a time getting my worlds, because in order to do that you ahve to fight the ground forces defending the commoners escape.

However, the primary function of our government is to defend the people, and without the ability to secure its borders, and with what seems like the galaxy jeering for their blood, they simply cant do it here.

Besides, the horrified looks on your faces when you search through the buldings and find nothing but evidence for their innocence... It will already be to late.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-05-18 10:17pm

So, you're giving them unfettered access to your (abandoned) territory. Which is what they asked for in the first place. In exchange, you're taking on untold expense in relocating your people and sacrificing military forces to buy time. This doesn't make any sense, dude.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-05-18 10:20pm

So, you're giving them unfettered access to your (abandoned) territory. Which is what they asked for in the first place. In exchange, you're taking on untold expense in relocating your people and sacrificing military forces to buy time. This doesn't make any sense, dude.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who saw it that way.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2004-05-18 10:24pm

I'm not interested in his territory, as my race doesn't really need it. All I want is proof or lack thereof of an alliance with the Overseers.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-05-18 10:28pm

My OOB has been updated to better describe the armaments of Ravenlock ships. I will repost the fleet structure of Alpha Fleet shortly.

And, to be honest, if the Arcanists leave, hey, fine by me. I've been looking for uninhabited Earth type worlds for a while now.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-05-18 10:45pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:So, you're giving them unfettered access to your (abandoned) territory. Which is what they asked for in the first place. In exchange, you're taking on untold expense in relocating your people and sacrificing military forces to buy time. This doesn't make any sense, dude.

Well, lets look at it frm their point of view.

They could not secure their own border.

They were universally maligned(possibly with good reason but that is beside the point)

Other empires have sent fleets into their territory and the Krell demanded information they could not give. And when the information was not adequate, they opened fire.

Basically, they are in a position that, they see, is inescapable.

And OOC: Magic use is probably a bit unbalancing anyway, and opens up a can of worms that is probably not best for the game.