EVE-Online Dominion, who wishes to play?

[RedImperator]

Welp, yesterday I learned why you shouldn't send capital ships to a POS takedown without support.

Amazingly, I did not learn this lesson from CVA. Thank you, Cult of War, for the opportunity to get on three capital ship killmails.

[Mr. Coffee]

Dude, that's like one of the first rules of living in the south of EVE, that COW sucks at pretty much everything do. Seriously, COW's terrible, dude. Used to go on Panic gang roams into Curse and regularly find those guys ratting in carriers and such or just generally being retarded. Surprisingly, they're actually worse than U'K at talking smack in local, which is something I never though possible till I met COW and Atlas pilots.

[Prannon]

So, word on the street (read CAOD) is that CVA was offered all of their lost space back in return for an apology to AAA for aggressing in the first place, and CVA refused it out of pride and "rp ideals." So, now Providence Holders are all facing off against AAA, Atlas, Ushra'Khan, Systematic Chaos, and so on. CVA is expected to lose big. Any word on that Coffee?

[White Haven]

Yeah, more or less. That'd be why we're all sitting in lowsec nonconquerable stations waiting for the dust to settle and deciding what to do next. I respect CVA for the civilizing influence they've had in Provi, but the leadership appears to think that...that...hell, I'm not convinced the leadership actually thinks. It's more like a big ball of autonomous nervous reactions.

[Mr. Coffee]

So, word on the street (read CAOD) is that CVA was offered all of their lost space back in return for an apology to AAA for aggressing in the first place, and CVA refused it out of pride and "rp ideals." So, now Providence Holders are all facing off against AAA, Atlas, Ushra'Khan, Systematic Chaos, and so on. CVA is expected to lose big. Any word on that Coffee?

Well, I just watched the G-5 CVA TCU go boom and now -A- is giving the place to U'K. Another 7hrs or so till their TCU onlines. And there are still people in CVA alliance and Holders going on with the RP BS about "we can win, the Empress is on our side!"

It's friggin' hilarious. Only a matter of time before I get my Spacer's Curse medal.

[Steven Snyder]

-A- is giving that system to UK, that is great news!

I have to say though, working with AAA has been a complete blast, I love those guys. They are a professional bunch, and look out of the people in their fleets. While I enjoy UK, if I ever had to join another alliance I would sign on with them in a heartbeat.

Mr. Coffee, why isn't CVA pushing back? The only resistance to Y-MP last night was a gang from Gentlemen's Club, and they didn't do so well.

[charlemagne]

Well the funniest thing happened to me today. My mining alt (yeah, sue me it's actually more of a non-combat industrial/trading/mining alt, just there to check out stuff other than combat and if that's any fun. anyways:) was sitting in a retriever eating away at some roids when he was suicide ganked by a week old pilot in a catalyst. This just baffled me a bit since I didn't think anyone would waste time on ganking a mere 4 mill mining barge. So I popped shortly after Concord arrived, my drones still fighting the aggressor and actually landing the final blow. So now this character who never even fired a gun after the tutorial missions got a kill mail while my actual main still never has been in a proper fight I'm pretty amused by this.

I also remained strong and didn't cry in local What bothered me for a bit was that I dropped two strip miners and cargohold II's which is pretty good loot in exchange for loosing a catalyst. But meh, after this thread I went into EVE fully expecting the occasional surprise buttsecks, so no biggie.

[GuppyShark]

So, word on the street (read CAOD) is that CVA was offered all of their lost space back in return for an apology to AAA for aggressing in the first place, and CVA refused it out of pride and "rp ideals."

Yes, it was a pretty public offer too - there was a thread on the IGS, the in-character RP forum. I like to be generous and assume CVA leadership realise that you can't kill an alliance, and even if they lose their space the core of the alliance will continue, minus the worthless douches that are only there because they want the 0.0 ratting rights or whatever.

[RedImperator]

-A- is giving that system to UK, that is great news!

And while you're in G-5, why don't you check out my selection of cheap T1 crap high-quality merchandise at low, low prices!

Mr. Coffee, why isn't CVA pushing back? The only resistance to Y-MP last night was a gang from Gentlemen's Club, and they didn't do so well.

My guess is because their terrible FCs pissed away their cap fleet in D-G, and they're holding onto the rest of it until...I don't know, until Jesus comes back or whatever.

Actually, more likely, they want to hold on to their core systems and then take back the rest of Providence next time AAA/Atlas is busy with the Northern Coalition.

[Coaan]

The Problem is that the worthless douches at at the top, so no, they weren't shed. CVA on a whole were basically thrown into a war because some morons in LFA started beating their chests and rattling their sabers. Lonewolfnight was stupid enough to listen and charged right into Catch despite the knowledge that CVA had zero experience and no preparation for a long war. What happened? Lone bailed after a few months when things turned to shit for 'RL' reasons, something that Coffee and I find oh-so-suspicious.

Several months later when CVA have fucked up so hard that A are determined to destroy every system they have and CVA are still sticking to the 'The Empress will save us!' party line.

Fucking Rp'ers..

[lPeregrine]

Any bets on how long before UK and AAA realize just how worthless Providence is and beg for CVA to take it back?

[GuppyShark]

Can I put money down on 'never'?

Nobody holds space for the sake of holding space anymore, since you have to pay fairly significant upkeep.

ATLAS declared to INS (is that the acronym? The official news service) recently that any space they took they intended to give to pets.

The average Providence 'citizen' doesn't care one jot about Amarr RP, they are there because it's a neutral-friendly 0.0 region adjacent to high sec. I don't imagine Atlas will have a hard time finding Alliances willing to enter into agreements to occupy systems for them.

I have no idea if Atlas were sincere about this statement though, I know next to nothing about them.

My point is, CVA have pissed AAA off so they'll be the last people allowed to run Providence if AAA push them back to Empire.

EDIT: Oh, and as for UK, we will never give up UNITY station.

[Coaan]

Actually, Providence is almost on a par with other regions for profitability these days with the infrastructure upgrades. The Havens and Sanctums in a fully upgraded system can gave a fair amount of ratting turn around for a four man fleet.

True, you won't earn as much isk as Delve, but Providence isn't as completely worthless as it was.

[RedImperator]

My guess (backed up by some statements on the EvE forums) is that AAA and friends will give away Provi in constellation-sized chunks and then ignore it so long as 1) nobody fucks with them, and 2) nobody tries to reunify it. A weak, balkanized Providence on their flank means nobody to backstab them when the possible probable certain next war with the NC breaks out.

For the record, not only do I not give a rat's heiney-hole about Amarr RPing, I actually find trying to justify slavery, even as RPers, incredibly distasteful. So I'm not terribly happy about having to fuck off to Derelik over "Amarrian pride" or some horseshit.

[lPeregrine]

Actually, Providence is almost on a par with other regions for profitability these days with the infrastructure upgrades. The Havens and Sanctums in a fully upgraded system can gave a fair amount of ratting turn around for a four man fleet.

True, you won't earn as much isk as Delve, but Providence isn't as completely worthless as it was.

Yeah, the problem with all that is Providence only has upgrades because it also has tons of carebears. Remove CVA's NRDS policy and that's all gone, leaving only the same worthless Providence that we're all used to.


Of course if the new Providence owners want to continue CVA's policies, that's fine with me. The sooner that region gets back to lazy and stupid carebears to gank, the better.

[Steven Snyder]

Just a status update if anyone cares.

The pockets that once were home to Cold Steel Alliance and Severance have been taken by AAA and friends. Sodalittes XX have been given the Cold Steel pocket and Daisho Syndicate were granted the space that was Severance, except for the KBP station that went to Ushra Khan.

I have no idea what is going to happen next but I would lay odds that AAA is far from done.

Oddly I hear that LFA has been set red by CVA and they claim no explanation was given. I believe it was done because LFA had a director who had the gall to make the statement that RP has no place in making military decisions and CVA did not care for it.


The one thing I do know is that Caldari are terrible for PvP unless your a jammer, so I am retraining Amarr.

[White Haven]

Eh, that gets bandied about, but its accuracy is questionable. Will you get more PVP options overall with Amarr? Quite probably. Is a HAM Drake a nasty, nasty small-gang fighter? You bet. Are AAA's HML Drake swarms potent? Yup. Is a T2 assault missile Caracal dangerous to the overpopular Dramiel? Indeed. Are torp Ravens fantastic for zerging an SBU when caps aren't an option? Hooo yes. They're short on generalist PVPers, but they've got some really nasty specialists that catch people off-guard due to precisely that prejudice.

[Coaan]

Oddly I hear that LFA has been set red by CVA and they claim no explanation was given. I believe it was done because LFA had a director who had the gall to make the statement that RP has no place in making military decisions and CVA did not care for it.

That's only part of the story.

You see, back when the skies were blue and the oceans were cooling and shit was happenin', LFA's 'leadership' were the ones banging the war drum to go out and fuck shit up with the -A-, which is all fine and well if you happen to be -A-. Now, things got off to a rocky start when LFA decided it would rush ahead of the original plan and take one or two systems at a time and planted SBU's down on four systems, including the one next door to HED. They gave the alliance no warning and no chance to get people there beforehand, so the opening battle was a bit of a clusterfuck to start with.

We actually won a few battles at the onset of the war...few hundred ships each side kind of stuff, nothing server breaking.

Then came A's counter-attack into the systems that LFA had taken and finally into D-G itself. Now, Caoim and his girlfriend were privy to command comm information at this time and I was off playing scout in one of the backwater systems LFA had taken. When the disasterous cap ship fight happened, CVA lost big due to their fleet commander fleet warping capitals and not having any comms at all. Stick with me, my story gets better.

Afterwards we asked if they (CVA) had any plan to deal with A's supercapital fleet and the response we got was 'Err...maybe in three months'

After 9-uy fell in short order, A offered a second cease-fire to the one they had offered in D-G. CVA was ofcourse rabidly against this but LFA was not. They saw just what they had caused and demanded that the leadership accept their offer to return to the status quo. It was not heeded.

LFA broke away after that and were set red.

The moral of this story kiddies? Teabag Roleplayers in EvE because usually, they're dumb chucklefucks.

[charlemagne]

Since this thread is back up on the first page, I thought what the hell, I'll give a short update of my last few weeks of Eve noobdom

A couple of weeks ago our alliance was wardecced by a "pvp training corp" with the awesome name "Pwned Factor". Since most of the time, about 50% of all people online in my corp are noobs - less than 5 or 6 million skillpoints and little to no experience in pvp - they got a handfull of easy kills and podkills in. Since they wardecced us on a thursday with the war going "live" on a friday night, and pretty much all of the leadership having families and lots of real life in general, it took a couple of days until people stepped up and started organising fleets. Until then, most of us spent a couple of frustrating hours being camped into stations until logging off out of boredom.

Once we started organising though and got together rag-tag fleets of one or two battleships, five or six battlecruisers and a couple of tackler frigs, things started to look a lot better. Those wannabe elite pvpers were on the run pretty quick and resorted to smacking in local and generally just being afk while trying to scare us with being docked in our stations. After we killed their heavy interdictor - an Onyx - our ISK balance suddenly looked pretty awesome, since all we lost was T1 cruisers and battlecruisers Things got also hilarious after that kill because their leadership offered to end the war if we payed for the Onyx - to which our leaders responded with "go fuck yourself", of course. Anyways, after another week or so in which they camped some gates and stations and started to run and afk once we pulled together a fleet, the war ended.

In the end it was a pretty good experience though, since me and some other noobs in our corp learned about stuff like flying in a fleet, some rudimentary fleet tactics etc., and also about all the cheese you can pull off in this game... like a couple of them dropping out of their corp and sitting next to the others in logistics ships. It was pretty hard to not react to their smacking when we decided to not engage fleets with a neutral repper sitting 70km off the war targets, with no real sniping battleships available to us. Unfortunately they had disbanded the fleet by the time we set up a sensor dampening boat and some other electronic warfare to counter this.

Anyways, by now I'm in a Dominix flying level 4s and the cash is starting to really flow in. I almost made my first billion, but then I flew to Jita and blew a lot of money on not-all-that-useful hardwirings and less-than-stellar faction mods. But ISK is there to be spent, right?

At this point I had planned to move to our 0.0 home and start some random roaming in alliance fleets, but now also a corp wormhole OP has started, the POS being moved in and all, and this sounds like fun, too. Good thing I have access to jump clones now

[Steven Snyder]

Genos has left Severance, according to a Kugut posting it was to join Hydra Reloaded for the Alliance Tourney coming up. But they did say that they would be pvping away from Providence.

When the disasterous cap ship fight happened, CVA lost big due to their fleet commander fleet warping capitals and not having any comms at all. Stick with me, my story gets better.

Holy crap, I am relatively new to Eve with my main having 10m sp...but the idea of a capfleet without TS/Vent, utterly incomprenhensible. Sure a T1 frig gang running around with no comms, fine, a gatecamp with no comms, fine. But a multibillion ISK task force of vulnerable caps running around...wow...no wonder they lost it.

Eh, that gets bandied about, but its accuracy is questionable. Will you get more PVP options overall with Amarr? Quite probably. Is a HAM Drake a nasty, nasty small-gang fighter? You bet. Are AAA's HML Drake swarms potent? Yup. Is a T2 assault missile Caracal dangerous to the overpopular Dramiel? Indeed. Are torp Ravens fantastic for zerging an SBU when caps aren't an option? Hooo yes. They're short on generalist PVPers, but they've got some really nasty specialists that catch people off-guard due to precisely that prejudice.

The major problem with Caldari pvp is missile flight time, the old saying is "The Drake, giving you dps 5 seconds too late since 2005" or something along those lines. When your FC is calling targets and your damage consistently arrives on target after it's already dead, then you are effectively doing nothing. And this has happened to me. There are a few Caldari ships that use Hybrids and deliver the traditional instant damage that is so popular, but if your going to use Hybrids I am a firm believer that you should just retrain Gallente.
Now that being said, I absolutely love engaging frigs...oh especially a stealth bomber...in a Caracal. Although it's a missileboat it is absolute murder on small fast ships, aside from a sniping HAC at optimal, there is nothing else like it. Conversely, I also like my stealth bomber, under the right circumstances they are a nice ship to fly.

Another situation that caused me to retrain Amarr are those boring-ass OPs we have been going on...shooting structures for hours on end. With Amarr you have those T1 crystals that just never run out, no restock of missiles, no reloading, just start shooting and find something to amuse yourself.

[White Haven]

Like I said, situational. A small gang at close range is ideal for a HAM drake, and as for a HML drake in an instant-DPS fleet, you just need an FC who calls primaries and secondaries, and just always lock and unload on the secondary so your missiles are timed to hit the target roughly when the primary call shifts onto it. It's not when you fire them, it's when they hit.

[RedImperator]

Since I left my previous (CVA meatshield pet valued ally) alliance, I now feel free to slag off CVA leadership. This is the last fucking time I ever play with fucking roleplayers. "Hurf durf, let's throw away everything thousands of players have spent half a decade building because in CCP's shitty fanfiction backstory fanfiction, the Amarr are a bunch of Jesus-fucking retards." Mr.Coffee can confirm this, but apparently in the CVA internal forums, people were actually claiming the Empire would help CVA, even though this would involve, in real life, the developers militarily intervening in a conflict between two player-run alliances, an event that ranks in probability somewhere between zombie Theodore Roosevelt rising from the grave to arm wrestle Vladimir Putin and your mother passing a herpes test. Now we know where Dubya the Wonder Chimp has been for the last year and a half--he's been playing EVE Online as a CVA director.

So yeah, now I'm back in fucking Empire. On the plus side, I'm two days from flying a remote rep Abaddon. So that should be fun.

...Man, was that a "u mad?" post or what? I actually feel a lot better now.

[White Haven]

Oh, no argument there, Red. I sat out the entire war, with the exception of one roam and a couple scouting ops that cost me a covops frigate. CVA's leadership...isn't, and when I left the alliance I made it quite clear to my now-former CEO that it wasn't due to anything my corp did, but rather to the fact that they were staying with CVA. CVA's upper leadership is pants-on-head retarded, and most of their FCs are absolute dickweasels. I miss Peaceful Providence though, that place made me a ton of money before Lunatic Fringe Alliance, or whatever LFA's real name was, kicked off this whole debacle.

Not that it wouldn't have happened anyway, but if they'd kept to the schedule I would have been able to pull another week's buy order output out of the region and into my wallet.

EDIT: Oh, and counterintelligence? What's that. Yeah, you know you're thoroughly penetrated when your enemies trap your capfleet at a station, then proceed to MWD through your POS shield because they have the starbase password. And then bump your dreadnoughts outside the shield and kill them because your FC is too nutless to do anything about it.

[Mr. Coffee]

Even more fun, aparently Morsus Mihi is moving fleets down towards the Providence area to go fight with -A- or whoever. Aralis (CVA's Fucktard-in-Cheif) is trying to playing it off as being the egining of a possible alliance between CVA and MM, but everything I can find out point more to it being a case of MM telling CVA "stay the fuck out of our way and we might not rape you silly".

[RedImperator]

Nobody's going to ally with CVA until CVA proves it can actually win a battle with AAA. So so much for that idea. Good on MM, though.