STGOD 4 OOC Thread (part 2)

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-26 12:36am

SirNitram wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Well then, I call bullshit on Stormbringer's claim to have 32 capital ships at Mintar, given that we were only allowed to start with 25, and he didn't send his whole fleet. I also call bullshit on FTL missiles, something not used even in standard Wars tech, and this notion that a core planet should only be able to hold off a couple of dreadnoughts before succumbing, and also on the claim that a fighter's potency depends on whether it's based on a planet or on a fleet carrier even if they're the same design of fighter.
In other words, you're throwing a childish tantrum against everything decided by the arbiters of this because you're a whiny bitch. Because you have nothing to legitimize the UBT presense, you think you can just rail against everything. That's fine. I reiterate my earlier position.

Get out.

Oh, I can legitimize the UBT presence. Frigid has all the PMs, and Marcao was told of it. We were just discussing where they should go now that the UP isn't there anymore in the SD.net AIM chat earlier this afternoon, and I can provide the logs.

But this notion that he can legitimately assassinate all my capital ships in five seconds thanks to his cheese torpedoes when not even the Imperial Navy, much less Starfleet, ever displayed that capability, and then have the unmitigated gall to say that an entire planet shouldn't be able to field more fighters than a fleet and that having it do so is uberwank just astounds me. It's a planet. Taking it should be difficult, and a core world should be able to field a crapload of fighters.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-09-26 12:40am

Rogue 9 wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Well then, I call bullshit on Stormbringer's claim to have 32 capital ships at Mintar, given that we were only allowed to start with 25, and he didn't send his whole fleet. I also call bullshit on FTL missiles, something not used even in standard Wars tech, and this notion that a core planet should only be able to hold off a couple of dreadnoughts before succumbing, and also on the claim that a fighter's potency depends on whether it's based on a planet or on a fleet carrier even if they're the same design of fighter.
In other words, you're throwing a childish tantrum against everything decided by the arbiters of this because you're a whiny bitch. Because you have nothing to legitimize the UBT presense, you think you can just rail against everything. That's fine. I reiterate my earlier position.

Get out.
Oh, I can legitimize the UBT presence. Frigid has all the PMs, and Marcao was told of it. We were just discussing where they should go now that the UP isn't there anymore in the SD.net AIM chat earlier this afternoon, and I can provide the logs.

But of course you won't do this, you'll throw your little tantrum again.

But this notion that he can legitimately assassinate all my capital ships in five seconds thanks to his cheese torpedoes when not even the Imperial Navy, much less Starfleet, ever displayed that capability, and then have the unmitigated gall to say that an entire planet shouldn't be able to field more fighters than a fleet and that having it do so is uberwank just astounds me. It's a planet. Taking it should be difficult, and a core world should be able to field a crapload of fighters.

Except you didn't want to devote any of your industry to reinforcing it. Too bad, so sad, we have rules for a reason you pathetic little wanker. This attitude where you can dredge up whatever moderator decision you don't like and screech and scream about it like a child without it's pacifier is disgusting, not to mention disruptive. You may write fine battle posts, but you are such an immature little brat you obviously can't deal with a game that isn't going your way. Frankly, you need to be tossed out of this game. You've shown quite clearly that not only are you not reforming, you're not even showing a willingness to accept you have a fault.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-26 12:43am

Well then, I call bullshit on Stormbringer's claim to have 32 capital ships at Mintar, given that we were only allowed to start with 25, and he didn't send his whole fleet.

I will once again point out, if you're including battlecruisers in your count then yes, I do have 32 capital ships. I haven't made any secret of what I've got nor do I plan to overplay my battlecruisers. They're a Courviesier II type and I'll play them that way.

I don't have any more capital ships (under the STGOD definition) than I have been legitimately allowed to build.

I also call bullshit on FTL missiles, something not used even in standard Wars tech, and this notion that a core planet should only be able to hold off a couple of dreadnoughts before succumbing,

Wa, wa, wa.

Grow some fucking balls. You might not like it but that's the rules. If you don't, quit and spare us the incessant whining.

and also on the claim that a fighter's potency depends on whether it's based on a planet or on a fleet carrier even if they're the same design of fighter.

As I've said, I've objected to your notion that your carriers can be a deadly weapon. And then have tens, if not hundreds, of times more fighters on the planet. If you do that then you've effectively made your planets unassailable.

Your fighter horde stands, it's just it will be treated like the mass horde it is.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-26 12:44am

Rogue 9 wrote:Oh, I can legitimize the UBT presence. Frigid has all the PMs, and Marcao was told of it. We were just discussing where they should go now that the UP isn't there anymore in the SD.net AIM chat earlier this afternoon, and I can provide the logs.

Post em, but I still say that reviving a nation that has no formal ties to lease ships out to you because its creator doesn't care about the nation anymore is BULLLSHIT!

But this notion that he can legitimately assassinate all my capital ships in five seconds thanks to his cheese torpedoes when not even the Imperial Navy, much less Starfleet, ever displayed that capability

This is relevant to the STGOD how?

and then have the unmitigated gall to say that an entire planet shouldn't be able to field more fighters than a fleet and that having it do so is uberwank just astounds me.

Read my post above this one, the planet could theoretically host as many fighters as you'd like, but they'd be shit fighters in space, because of where they're based. So you can't expect them to come screaming in as your UBER WANK FIGHTERS OF DOOM!

It's a planet. Taking it should be difficult, and a core world should be able to field a crapload of fighters.

It is difficult! You have to land troops, fight bloooody battles, control space, and all the while hope your damaged fleet doesn't get caught by superior numbers. BUt saying that "WE'VE GOT UBER DEFENSES OF DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM THAT PREVENT PLANETS FROM EVER BEING TAKEN!" would kill the game, and every war/battle that ever took place. So we don't say that, and as I said STOP BEATING THE DEAD HORSES!

EDIT: Fixed a quote tag

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-26 12:45am

Oh, you'll note that I can't kill all your capital ships in five seconds. But you'd better believe I can kill them all eventually.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-26 12:47am

Said chat log:

TasothofSDN: hey rouge, you want Frigid's rented out battlefleet?
Robert Walper001: I'll take the Apache helicopter thanks!
Robert Walper001 has left the room.
NotCorranHorn: Tasoth: Yes. Yes I do.
TasothofSDN: alright, they don't look anything like UBT ships so I'll just give you the equivalent load out in here from my OOB
DPDarkPrimus has entered the room.
NotCorranHorn: Okay.
TasothofSDN: 100 or so should be fine, right?
NotCorranHorn: Hi, DPDP.
NotCorranHorn: Yeah.
TasothofSDN: or is that pushing it?
DPDarkPrimus: what?
NotCorranHorn: There's no such thing as pushing it when your nation's about to be subsumed into someone else's empire.
TasothofSDN: its going to be mostly destroyers and cruisers. UBT hasn't up to anything else yet
NotCorranHorn: STGOD.
NotCorranHorn: Okay, that works.
DPDarkPrimus: oh
DPDarkPrimus: *puts on Hat of Indifference*
NotCorranHorn: Yeah, I figured that, but we didn't make you come in here.
DPDarkPrimus has left the room.
TasothofSDN: got a link to the OOB thread?
Raxmei: it's in the link sticky
NotCorranHorn: What he said.
TasothofSDN: 30 of each Goshawk and Moa equivalent frigates,
TasothofSDN: 10 thunderbirds, 10 stymphs and 20 Dragon class Battlecruisers

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-26 12:50am

And that constutes a formal turnover how? There'sa reason we've insisted that at least be done with the mods. It's so you cant' pull mircales out your ass like this,

So unless you can do better I'd like to say that's bullshit.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-09-26 12:53am

Ten seconds from a Mod and the UBT issue will be resolved.

It's these tantrums that I am concerned and vocal about. You aren't even trying to change, Rogue. Why should you be allowed to play, honestly? Your OOC bullshit is consistantly disruptive, and you never show any sign of stopping.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-26 12:54am

And again Rogue, if those are legimately under your control (and I dare say that on that chat log alone they shouldn't be) then you still didn't post them leaving.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-26 01:29am

I'm getting some PMs here... complaints... et cetera, et cetera. I had hoped to resolve this peacefully but I think I'm being preempted. I'm going to confer with Marcao and I'll get back to you guys as soon as possible.

Marcao · Post by **Marcao** » 2004-09-26 02:50am

Frigid talked with the UBT player and then forwarded me a copy of the conversation. I allowed frigid to get some UBT ships for hire, since the UBT player was cool with the idea. Since Rogue is in control of the Alliance, forces he should have the said ships.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-26 03:43am

Bullshit. Tasoth is not an STGOD player. He hasn't signed any treaties with the Alliance, and can't be expected to suddenly add ship for no reason besiudes he has too little of a connection with the game to make an informed "Yes" or "No," What If I wrote a post deploying a bunch of Skaven battlesips fighitng for the Unification? I could very well get support from Raxmei for such a move- after all, as a non-player, he has nothing to lose.

The UBT ships should be modsmacked, they are bullshit.

Marcao · Post by **Marcao** » 2004-09-26 03:47am

Thirdfain wrote:Bullshit. Tasoth is not an STGOD player. He hasn't signed any treaties with the Alliance, and can't be expected to suddenly add ship for no reason besiudes he has too little of a connection with the game to make an informed "Yes" or "No," What If I wrote a post deploying a bunch of Skaven battlesips fighitng for the Unification? I could very well get support from Raxmei for such a move- after all, as a non-player, he has nothing to lose.

The UBT ships should be modsmacked, they are bullshit.

Yo thirdfain, I allowed it quite some time ago. Frigid talked with Tasoth, apparently the UBT has a mercenary history or what not. The point still remains, that I am not about to retconn the move away. It happened, I allowed it, I don't feel like waffling about it. You are totally within your rights to say what you will about it, but as of right now I am not in the mood to take it away. You want to talk to Raxmei? help your fucking self, maybe the situation will be the same maybe it will not. We will come to that bridge when we get to it.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-26 04:12am

Regardless of the call, it doesn't matter. Rogue, when the Bellerophoni *mercenaries* arive to find their employers crippled, they'll turn aboot and go home. After all, if you can't pay them...

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2004-09-26 06:33am

OK. I am going and it is for good. Some real shit has just happened in my life and more is due to happen in short order. I won't be around for some time and I doubt that when things return to normal I will have the time for any kind of STGOD. My apologies to all those involved, particularly Thirdfain and Rogue 9. I will try to write now a last post. Sorry and have fun with the game.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2004-09-26 06:48am

I'm beginning to think this STGOD is starting to wind down. STGOD5 anyone?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-26 07:01am

Spyder wrote:I'm beginning to think this STGOD is starting to wind down. STGOD5 anyone?

Sounds good from where I'm sitting.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-26 07:02am

Spyder wrote:I'm beginning to think this STGOD is starting to wind down. STGOD5 anyone?

Sounds good from where I'm sitting. Anyway, it'll give me time to write about the earlier history of the Republic. I've got too much material laying around here by now to not do that.

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2004-09-26 07:40am

OK. As my probable last post here, I will point what is gonna happen. With the death of the Ethereals, the Confederation is more or less no more. There is going to be chaos now and no concerted effort will be made to defeat the Ouster invasion. The Commonwealth of Five Stars (those inner colonies that declared themselves neutrals) will cease to be a hoax and become a reality. Surviving core worlds will eventually join them. Any attempt to land troops will be a very bad idea, as most of my population is in the Caves (think archologies) and I distributed millions of weapons among the population. The Ousters will be facing an Irak situation if they attempt to occupy the planets (an Irak where they can't even breath). All info about the top secret Confederation technologies (transpace, protomatter and metacrystalline) was erased before the beginning of the invasion and those who might know about it are either dead or en route to Haven Point (which won't be located as all those who knew where it is just died).

Verolix, upon knowing of the collapse of the Confederation will join the Nashtar war effort with everything that is left of the White Sun navy. This means:

3 intact fleets (the 1st has 12 cruisers, including two Constellations combat-capable but without transpace drive that were pulled out of drydock just before the invasion).
1 intact attack squadron.
1 fleet without a dreadnought, no torpedo frigates and only 8 cruisers (5th, Talathrant).
1 fleet and 1 attack squadron that have taken massive losses. 1 attack carrier, 11 cruisers (2 damaged) and less than half their escort screen is all they have left together.

If the mods agree, the shipyards at Prextazsa will be part of this help also (they had hours there to couple them with the motherships) and if not, those shipyards will also be left behind. Good bye.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-26 09:43am

Murazor, any resistance can be crushed. Even the United Protectorates, a fairly peaceful, nice Empire, was able to smash even the foreign-supplied Covenant of God revolt, and that was driven by religous fervour and assisted by an early failure by the occupiers to crack down. I'll be cracking down from Day One, and I won't go in half-assed.

Add to that the fact my troops are some of the best equipped and experienced in fighting in closed terrain like an Archology, and in time, the Suns will bow.

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2004-09-26 10:20am

Last minute clarification I forgot to include in my previous post. Dertorian, the ambassador before Nashtar handed the information relative to the "secret" technologies (transpace, protomatter power and metacrystalline armour) to the Nashtari government.

Thirdfain, again my apologies, although I suspect that you won't miss my perpetual delays in posting. About your objections: it isn't my problem anymore, but as a partial nitpick, cracking down from Day One might not be your best option considering that most of the population of the Confederation believed that the Ousters intended to enslave them or go genocide on them. If you use an iron fist, you are going to confirm their worst fears and although you will, no doubt here, crush the resistance with time and enough effort, the key point here is how long it is going to take you to do so and how expensive is the crushing going to be.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-26 11:02am

Spyder wrote:I'm beginning to think this STGOD is starting to wind down. STGOD5 anyone?

Depends on what we're doing and who's playing.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-26 11:07am

Thirdfain, again my apologies, although I suspect that you won't miss my perpetual delays in posting. About your objections: it isn't my problem anymore, but as a partial nitpick, cracking down from Day One might not be your best option considering that most of the population of the Confederation believed that the Ousters intended to enslave them or go genocide on them. If you use an iron fist, you are going to confirm their worst fears and although you will, no doubt here, crush the resistance with time and enough effort, the key point here is how long it is going to take you to do so and how expensive is the crushing going to be.

If what you've said about your people is true, then they will begin revolt from day one. I'll use a modified version of the UP plan- identifications for everyone and complete government control of the cities, using widespread sensor networks to track everyone. I'll also deport people like it's my job, breaking up the populace into groups of strangers. They'll fight hard, and it'll be VERY bloody in terms of troops and locals.

Going in and playing it soft will not work well, as you've said my very appearance there will spark revolt.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-26 11:20am

Marcao wrote:Frigid talked with the UBT player and then forwarded me a copy of the conversation. I allowed frigid to get some UBT ships for hire, since the UBT player was cool with the idea. Since Rogue is in control of the Alliance, forces he should have the said ships.

This is bullshit. Tasoth hasn't seriously played the STGOD for months, with that being said you can't have a player who doesn't give a rats ass about his STGOD nation saying "Yeah, go ahead, take my battle-fleet. Not like I need it" for obvious reasons. If you want to dedicate ships to this, do it before you leave like The Union and Jaded Masses did, don't do it long after you've gone and have lost track of everything in the STGOD..

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-26 11:22am

Did Tasoth even play at all? I know he posted his OOB but how many posts did he even have?

And even if they're allowed, again they have been moved by anyone so they'll be pitifully late.