STGOD 4 OOC Thread (part 2)

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-09-28 07:15pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Agent Fisher wrote:I could have always joined them, giving them a another Full 2/3 power Navy
Remember when you wanted to join the UPA the very instant you entered the game, and we told you "no" because it flew in the face of game balance to abruptly introduce a new member from nowhere into an alliance? Also, try not to forget that you were already in bed with Rogue 9, who was the sworn enemy of the Unification. You can't be part of two alliances who happen to be at war at the time.

i know, i know. I was joking.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-28 07:17pm

Dahak wrote:Whoever said we wouldn't have?

There are a lot of variables that would have been at play had we actually gone through all this properly and in game ... hindsight is 20/20 ... and so on.

Look, each side is just going to keeping saying "we could have won", and depending on a few key events and decisions there are an infinite number of possible end results. We will never know exactly who's right, because it's too late to play it. In my opinion, the most likely results from a legitimately played game were an Axis victory or a Unification/Accord victory, neither of which would be necessarily total.

In the mean time, we're arguing over a game that's already ended. This is stupid, and I'm done with it. Now that Stormbringer has all the information, he can write his Fanfic anyway he wants.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-09-28 07:19pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Dahak wrote:Whoever said we wouldn't have?
There are a lot of variables that would have been at play had we actually gone through all this properly and in game ... hindsight is 20/20 ... and so on.

Look, each side is just going to keeping saying "we could have won", and depending on a few key events and decisions there are an infinite number of possible end results. We will never know exactly who's right, because it's too late to play it. In my opinion, the most likely results from a legitimately played game were an Axis victory or a Unification/Accord victory, neither of which would be necessarily total.

In the mean time, we're arguing over a game that's already ended. This is stupid, and I'm done with it. Now that Stormbringer has all the information, he can write his Fanfic anyway he wants.

who knows, I could have come out on top of the game. unlikely but possible.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-09-28 07:22pm

Agent Fisher wrote:who knows, I could have come out on top of the game. unlikely but possible.

More possible than you think. A Genocide War II scenario where everybody except you and Spyder ended up fucked is a reasonably likely result.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2004-09-28 07:27pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Agent Fisher wrote:who knows, I could have come out on top of the game. unlikely but possible.
More possible than you think. A Genocide War II scenario where everybody except you and Spyder ended up fucked is a reasonably likely result.

hmm, maybe.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-28 07:27pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:There are a lot of variables that would have been at play had we actually gone through all this properly and in game ... hindsight is 20/20 ... and so on.

Look, each side is just going to keeping saying "we could have won", and depending on a few key events and decisions there are an infinite number of possible end results. We will never know exactly who's right, because it's too late to play it. In my opinion, the most likely results from a legitimately played game were an Axis victory or a Unification/Accord victory, neither of which would be necessarily total.

My thoughts exactly. We can't say exactly what would have happened; both sides could indeed have won though. Though as you say, total victory would likely have been denied to either.

Shrug, makes me regret all the more not being able to finish the game.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:In the mean time, we're arguing over a game that's already ended. This is stupid, and I'm done with it. Now that Stormbringer has all the information, he can write his Fanfic anyway he wants.

I don't intend to arge any more. I'll be writing my fic (it's not really a fanfic) and I'll have plenty of time to consider it since I'm starting with STGOD1.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-28 07:28pm

You forget one factor, Pablo. The UPA was going to attack Eketrina. To the loss of the fleet? From what you say, most likely. But we would have seen the Overseer ships. Your ruse would have been bust from there.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-09-28 07:30pm

Rogue 9 wrote:You forget one factor, Pablo. The UPA was going to attack Eketrina. To the loss of the fleet? From what you say, most likely. But we would have seen the Overseer ships. Your ruse would have been bust from there.

Er... the UNification had a really fucking massive fleet waiting for you there. WIth interdictors and everything you could ever imagine.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-28 07:30pm

You forget one factor, Pablo. The UPA was going to attack Eketrina. To the loss of the fleet? From what you say, most likely. But we would have seen the Overseer ships. Your ruse would have been bust from there.

In the event of the UPA attack, we would have countered with just the Ouster, Vampire, and Krell units. It would be totally kosher. The Machine fleets were hiding a few minute's hyper outside the system in deep space.

In fact, the trap was originally conceived to smash your fleet.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-09-28 07:31pm

So you are saying I should have gone out there and butt-fucked the Krell like I wanted to at first.

The clues were there too, the Krell's rabid desire to keep anyone out of the 'Overseer Salvage Zone', their blithe assertion that they would automatically detect Overseer technology, the statement that any Overseer Construct would send out a signal for the Overseer when everything supposedly shut down. I have to admit that the supposed blackmailing of the Etern to cover the fact that they were part of the evil alliance was an especially slick move.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-28 07:31pm

Straha wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:You forget one factor, Pablo. The UPA was going to attack Eketrina. To the loss of the fleet? From what you say, most likely. But we would have seen the Overseer ships. Your ruse would have been bust from there.
Er... the UNification had a really fucking massive fleet waiting for you there. WIth interdictors and everything you could ever imagine.

Yeah, that Vamp/Ouster fleet.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-09-28 07:31pm

One last comment: Oni was actually the Shadow Dragon. You honestly think he could have even managed to start off with what he did? Note that he never ended up in Veithan Space, or interacted with any of them, which was the only way he could have been detected. He was different from any of his minions in that he controlled the darkness, rather than having the darkness control him.

One of his next moves would have involved him taking over, and rebuilding the old OU.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-28 07:32pm

Straha wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:You forget one factor, Pablo. The UPA was going to attack Eketrina. To the loss of the fleet? From what you say, most likely. But we would have seen the Overseer ships. Your ruse would have been bust from there.
Er... the UNification had a really fucking massive fleet waiting for you there. WIth interdictors and everything you could ever imagine.

Then how in the hell were the Overseer's ships hanging around, eh? You overlook something that obvious while sitting there? (Remember, they emit very unique signals for communication with the central Overseer computer; this is how Bugsby planned on rooting out Consequences' operation with the Overseer machinery.) Your sensor operators blind or something?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-28 07:32pm

I liked when they found the Ouster gear in the Overseer shipyard and everyone said "Thirdfain? Explain yourself!" And I said "Uh.... Um, it's my cousin's, Yeah! Not mine, my cousins!" And everyone just forgot about it.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-09-28 07:34pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Straha wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:You forget one factor, Pablo. The UPA was going to attack Eketrina. To the loss of the fleet? From what you say, most likely. But we would have seen the Overseer ships. Your ruse would have been bust from there.
Er... the UNification had a really fucking massive fleet waiting for you there. WIth interdictors and everything you could ever imagine.
Then how in the hell were the Overseer's ships hanging around, eh? You overlook something that obvious while sitting there? (Remember, they emit very unique signals for communication with the central Overseer computer; this is how Bugsby planned on rooting out Consequences' operation with the Overseer machinery.) Your sensor operators blind or something?

Uh.. You have looked at the map, right? The Overseer comes from the other side of space than the Ousters. The Overseer fleets were all in the massive Krell Salvage Zone, stripmining every rock big enough to stripmine.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-28 07:34pm

Then how in the hell were the Overseer's ships hanging around, eh? You overlook something that obvious while sitting there? (Remember, they emit very unique signals for communication with the central Overseer computer; this is how Bugsby planned on rooting out Consequences' operation with the Overseer machinery.) Your sensor operators blind or something?

Space Is Big. Within 20 minute's hard hyper from Eketrina, there's a LOT of empty space in whcih you can drop a bunch of Overseer ships running silent.

There was a Unification strike fleet and a AoE fleet. They were seperated where necessary.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-28 07:34pm

Thirdfain wrote:I liked when they found the Ouster gear in the Overseer shipyard and everyone said "Thirdfain? Explain yourself!" And I said "Uh.... Um, it's my cousin's, Yeah! Not mine, my cousins!" And everyone just forgot about it.

I didn't, but I was in no position to force a bang bus by myself, not after the Arcanist fiasco.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-28 07:35pm

SirNitram wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
Straha wrote: Er... the UNification had a really fucking massive fleet waiting for you there. WIth interdictors and everything you could ever imagine.
Then how in the hell were the Overseer's ships hanging around, eh? You overlook something that obvious while sitting there? (Remember, they emit very unique signals for communication with the central Overseer computer; this is how Bugsby planned on rooting out Consequences' operation with the Overseer machinery.) Your sensor operators blind or something?
Uh.. You have looked at the map, right? The Overseer comes from the other side of space than the Ousters. The Overseer fleets were all in the massive Krell Salvage Zone, stripmining every rock big enough to stripmine.

*Shrug* I just read Pablo's post, wherein he said that Overseer ships were included in those waiting to smash anyone attacking Eketrina.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-28 07:39pm

To be honest, the whole plan WAS complex and WAS ridiculously hard to pull off. There were lots of places it could have failed, and it may or may not have worked.

But come on, now. It was ridiculously slick and badass, and that one post where the Overseer battleships rose from the shadows, striking fear into everyone's hearts, as the Ouster ships turned to fire point-blank into their erstwhile allies... It would have been incredibly cool, and I think if anyone could have pulled it off, Sanchez, Bugsby, Nitram, and myself could have.

It would have been one of the great moments in STGOD history, and it's a damn shame we never got to run it.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-28 07:41pm

It would have worked. Dear God in heaven it would have worked.

I'll be honest, I was planning on knocking out the KSE and Monocora and forcing the Asgard to terms. However I knew even if I was insanly lucky there was just now way I could occuipy the planets.

Even if I lost the gamble I was counting on the damage I wrecked to be nasty enough to force people to come to terms.

Either way the UP would not have been in any postion to stop this. Congrats gentlemen, has far has I'm concerned you won this.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-28 07:44pm

Anyway, one last "I told you so." Straha, and everybody else who ever hired the Krell to so much as shovel their front walk, how many times did I say that Machiavelli was right about mercenaries?

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-09-28 07:48pm

Oh Hush.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-28 07:51pm

What, I did say it, didn't I? And I have been borne out beyond my most paranoid dreams, haven't I?

I just find this funny as hell.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-09-28 07:52pm

I hired the Krell, and they provided *excellent* service. I just gave the right terms...

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-09-28 07:53pm

Thirdfain wrote:I hired the Krell, and they provided *excellent* service. I just gave the right terms...

Yeah, until someone else outbids you. This is one of the myriad problems with mercenaries, the other large one being that they have no motivation to die for the cause they're fighting for.